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Old 12-26-2013 | 06:08 PM
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Thanks Patrick. We are getting close on the engine. Should be on the dyno next week. I'll keep you posted on the progress. As for meeting you late at night, that's not a problem.We do whatever we can to make it happen.
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Old 12-26-2013 | 07:14 PM
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You would really be limited without doing a port work to the heads. They aren't great in the first place. You also wouldn't be able to do much with the camshaft since it is on the verge of reverting now. If you went dry on the exhaust, you could put a little more in the cam to help crutch the heads some. Not the most ideal thing. I would expect around 600-615 hp.
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Eddie that was a hell of a estimate, you are right on the money. The magic ECM is really not a big advantage alone most ppl doent realize that RPM's alone isnt going to make horse power. The other big thing is the throttle body it will only allow so much flow and that is the biggest restricting factor . From all the dyno testing we have done the motor is its happiest at 5500/ 5600 RPM witch is what you had said in a earlier post. So with that biginning a FACT unlimited RPM doesnt really play into it at all but until you spend the time pull after pull on a dyno you really would know that. We have also done back to back pulls with stock ECM and one that have more RPM and there was only a 6 hp differance. Here is some actual dyno numbers ....

5000 ..579.2
5100 ..589.0
5200 ..593.7
5300 ..597.3
5400 ..600.5
5500 ..603.8
5600 ..603.3
5700 ..600.4
5800 ..596.8
5900 ..591.7

Now again you where pretty damn close. That pull was on a motor with 8.8.1 comp. 507 CI. So with that beinning what it is there is NO advantage to rev over 5500/ 5600 it is the sweet spot for the motor . That would make scence if you think about it the motor was built for that and Merc backs it off just a little for safety fact of the warranty.

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Old 12-26-2013 | 08:01 PM
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Did you guys add any timing to that cal? Whipple's cal adds a significant amount of timing in the mid-range. I would just be curious to see what it would do to mid-range torque on the dyno I know that in the boats, it makes quite a bit of seat of the pants difference. I don't imagine that it would be able to take much more timing up top, or that it would make that much difference, even with better fuel. The cal is worth the mid-range punch, if for no other reason. Of course it raises the limiter, which would allow you to turn 5600 rpm.
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Old 12-26-2013 | 08:36 PM
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We are also looking at a few different alternative, still targeting the 600-620 hp range. From the research we have done it would be much more cost effective, and a good simple reliable motor. Designed and built for the class simalar to what the Superboat, and the Superboat Extreme class has done. Most of the internal parts would be the same spec as the 525, but time will tell we almost have one done and ready to get on a dyno.

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Old 12-26-2013 | 08:40 PM
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I'm not exactly sure what power it would take to make that boat run 110-115 mph, so my answer may be kind of generic. There are a few choices depending on exact power, fuel availability, etc. Let's say that you want 650 hp, with the ability to make more in the future. My choice would be to build a larger ci engine with a fairly mild compression ratio. We could do a 547 or 555 ci engine that could run on 89 octane. It would be a very mild, very tame engine. With the lower compression, there would be no issue adding a SC later on. Obviously, you would need to run a higher octane. The other option is to build something even larger, like a 598. You could run it on the cheapest, crappiest gas you could find and still make over 650 hp. Again, adding a SC in the future would just be a matter of bolting it on. You build both with top shelf parts to handle the SC, so in NA form, they are ridiculously over built. You would never have to worry about breaking a connecting rod, crankshaft, etc. It would have MUCH better parts than a 525, be hand assembled by me (or whoever built it), be tuned perfectly for your particular boat (not just generically for everyone), and look much better that a 525, for a very similar price as a new 525. Even though it was built by me (or whoever), it's still a matter of off the shelf parts (for the most part). If anything were to happen, it doesn't have to go back to the builder. It's still a BBC at the end of the day. That's another reason I use a MEFI ecm. Anyone with a Merc scan tool can diagnose a potential problem as if it were a 500 efi. It would use all of the same sensors as a 500 EFI that can be had from any Autozone,GM dealer, O'Reillys, etc. It doesn't matter that it is a larger engine with a different calibration than a 500 EFI. That has nothing to do with how it works. It's still an engine.

My point is that you have choices. A ton of people are scared to death by custom built engines. Them, or their buddy, has probably either had a bad experience or know someone that has had one with a custom engine. It may have been the choice of builder, or any other of 100 different reasons that it failed. Unfortunately, most don't know their choice of builder is the wrong one until it's to late. I agree that custom engines are certainly not for everyone. That's why Mercury will stay in business.
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Hmmmm.....bad experiences with engine builders??? This is ringing a bell...............lol.
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Old 12-26-2013 | 09:05 PM
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I'll bet it is.
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Old 12-26-2013 | 09:55 PM
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Obviously, I wasn't in there when it happened, but the best I can tell, a rod bolt failed. Neither of the bolts backed out, since the pieces of bolts with the threads are still in place. Looking at the rod cap, it appears that one of the bolts failed. Once that happen, all hell broke loose. You can see that the rod cap looks like it was peeled off the rod. That would indicate that one bolt broke and the cap could no longer stay in place. Why the bolt failed.....I don't know. It's an ARP 2000 bolt, which is a pretty damn good bolt. Certainly not the best bolt out there, but more than enough for a 525.

Merc does have a TSB on the rod torque. There is a change in torque value for the rods. I think it is only due to the fact that the lube they originally used on the bolts is no longer available. That's why we use bolt stretch. It takes the torque, type of lube, accuracy of torque wrench, etc. all out of the equation. It the only way to go as far as i'm concerned.
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Is this my motor your talking about? Thought I recognized the broken piece of the rod cap!
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Old 12-26-2013 | 09:57 PM
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Yes Larry, it's yours.
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Old 12-26-2013 | 10:07 PM
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Eddie I know you don't need to hear it but I want to thank you for all your participation and help here on OSO. Your a great contribution to the site and I know a lot of my friends who are fellow members appreciate it also. Looking forward to receiving an estimate next time I need work. You are definitely at the top of my list.

Thanks and keep the great post coming!
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Old 12-26-2013 | 11:24 PM
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Thank you for taking the time to post that. Posts like that make all the time worth it. I really enjoy knowing that I was able to help someone out.
Thanks again.
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