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Originally Posted by Spicy
(Post 4061433)
Mine were right at 30K for the two (2) SCX drives, two (2) Teague drive bottles and Two (2) IMCO HD hemets and a new tie-bar....Included shipping and Torco drive oil etc...
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:evilb: No worries I just hate it when people compare a bargain boat to one already done and then think that is the market.
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Originally Posted by nkosi
(Post 4061415)
I have always admired this boat. As someone who hopes to own a Tiger one day I am really enjoying the discussions. What kind of money are we talking to replace Bravos with IMCO SCX drives?
I bought the IMCO uppers the helmet and the drive reservoirs for $20k. I sold my XR uppers for $8500. Then I purchased the IMCO SC lowers and sold the XR lowers for a few bucks. All in all the whole swap cost me $15,000. |
I just want to know where are all these TG/TS FOR 80K are. Im looking but cant find them, and Im in the market NOW
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Originally Posted by Relaxing
(Post 4061479)
I just want to know where are all these TG/TS FOR 80K are. Im looking but cant find them, and Im in the market NOW
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Do you have any info where I can find them. Im looking to purchase NOW
QUOTE=302Sport;4061483]Never said $80K, but there are two nice TS out there for $85k that I know of. One is a 38 the other is a 35.[/QUOTE] |
Originally Posted by Spicy
(Post 4061433)
Mine were right at 30K for the two (2) SCX drives, two (2) Teague drive bottles and Two (2) IMCO HD hemets and a new tie-bar....Included shipping and Torco drive oil etc...
Helmet pix is a comparison to old to new... just an FYI |
looked at that boat after key west it needs alot of work motors and paint are good but the rest
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4061065)
This one has been for sale for 102K for probably 2 years......Boat is clean, even a "Lipship" edition" and not sure why it didn't sell. http://www.boatsdirectusa.com/used-b...p-gun-B236.php
Through some reverse psychology they actually raised the price 10K a few months back (Pier 57 does that trick all the time). Safe to say 80K twin steps are out there (dreamer's old Playboy is 85K right now with zero hour rebuilds). Craig's old #6 TG just sold asking 69K (which I thought was a great price and probably the reason it sold in a few days). |
Originally Posted by 4195
(Post 4061405)
I also have to say taste is very subjective but I think many times paint can make or break a sale. Just my .02 here are a few pics of my rig, that Adam 302Sport thinks [ATTACH=CONFIG]516947[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]516948[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]516949[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]516950[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]516951[/ATTACH] I can get $80k for
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Originally Posted by cig92
(Post 4061563)
You're boat is one of my favorites,I believe they made a 99 38 that is very similar to your paint as we'll. if I restored my boat to your level I probably would not sell it either. That being said, I must agree with Adam. You said you purchased your boat 4 yrs ago at 120k, they certainly don't go up in value as we all know. It doesn't matter how much money you put in your boat,you just don't get it back. I am well aware of this,I have done it myself. You can eat off of any part of my of my boat and every mechanical part, right down to the extension boxes has been replaced. The boat runs over 100 and I an priced under a 100 and can not sell. I also have a small fortune into my boat. If you want to sell, you must give it away then go steal something else or just be content with what you have. It's a buyers market. My neighbor just sold his 02 tg pretty close to 100k and it was nicer than new. No bs! Never saw salt, sat inside a heated garage 350 days of the year, cobra 750's, new xr's every two yrs,tv's, huge stereo, you couldn't even find a oil spot in the bilge,on and on and on.... The market is what it is, you my get a bit more but not much. This market sucks. Btw, I love your boat
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Originally Posted by cig92
(Post 4061563)
You're boat is one of my favorites,I believe they made a 99 38 that is very similar to your paint as we'll. if I restored my boat to your level I probably would not sell it either. That being said, I must agree with Adam. You said you purchased your boat 4 yrs ago at 120k, they certainly don't go up in value as we all know. It doesn't matter how much money you put in your boat,you just don't get it back. I am well aware of this,I have done it myself. You can eat off of any part of my of my boat and every mechanical part, right down to the extension boxes has been replaced. The boat runs over 100 and I an priced under a 100 and can not sell. I also have a small fortune into my boat. If you want to sell, you must give it away then go steal something else or just be content with what you have. It's a buyers market. My neighbor just sold his 02 tg pretty close to 100k and it was nicer than new. No bs! Never saw salt, sat inside a heated garage 350 days of the year, cobra 750's, new xr's every two yrs,tv's, huge stereo, you couldn't even find a oil spot in the bilge,on and on and on.... The market is what it is, you my get a bit more but not much. This market sucks. Btw, I love your boat
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I still stand by what I said earlier, T/S Top Guns in decent shape, will bring 100k+ all day long. I agree with some of you guys, just because a few have sold at the 80-90k range doesn't make that the market for them, just means that the seller wanted out and the buyer got a great deal with room to upgrade his boat and still possIbly break even. If anybody has one that is under 100k I ask again please pm me the details, I know of a few buyers with cash in hand.
I personally love the looks of the tiger and the 42x. They might be a little harder on out drives than top guns but if you could buy it right it would be worth it. It has merc power and that is what a boat needs to bring any type of resale value. You can always upgrade the drives in the future. If you take it easy out of the hole, pull off the throttle if you launch it, do your maintenance, and don't abuse or slap a supercharger on the motor an XR drive will last a while. |
Originally Posted by Griff
(Post 4061574)
There is a 38 TS Gun at LOTO with very simlar paint. I think its a 2002 or 2003.
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my friend got over 400 hours out of his tiger 525/xr boat before a drive failure.
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Originally Posted by 32hustlin
(Post 4061599)
You are not kidding about being able to eat off of any part on your boat, cleanest bilge I've ever seen
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this boat went to LOTO. super clean t/s
[ATTACH=CONFIG]516982[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]516983[/ATTACH] |
Yup. That's the one. You had to take a shower before he would let you on the boat
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dumb question
Someone mentioned the tiger has a smaller cockpit then the 38' T/G?? :confused:
More room in the cuddy? bigger bed ? couches? bathroom .. where is the extra lengh made up? |
All very nice boats!But over $100K I whould want stock Mercruiser power late model 525 or bigger? FWC also!Just wait till a deal comes to you??:whistle:I've heard 575'S are not bad motors but a little high on the price of this boat?My 02?
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Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL
(Post 4061695)
Someone mentioned the tiger has a smaller cockpit then the 38' T/G?? :confused:
More room in the cuddy? bigger bed ? couches? bathroom .. where is the extra lengh made up? |
Originally Posted by SS930
(Post 4061800)
Correct, the Tiger has a smaller cockpit than the TG. In fact, even the cockpit in my 46 RR is smaller than the TG. In the case of the Tiger, almost all the additional length is in the bow... which makes it look so much nicer (IMO). There were several different cabin layouts offered, but most do not have a bathroom.
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Originally Posted by 88bullet
(Post 4061428)
this is a spotless tiger with FRESH 525's and FRESH xr's and sportmaster lowers. his add expired but boat is still for sale
[ATTACH=CONFIG]516952[/ATTACH] |
[QUOTE= I am not a big fan of red/yellow but that boat pulls it off nicely.......that 46 RR in the classifieds doesn't make the cut![/QUOTE]
It seems like a good deal with low hours, but it screams McDonalds playplace. |
Originally Posted by soggy bottom
(Post 4061829)
It seems like a good deal with low hours, but it screams McDonalds playplace.
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Originally Posted by soggy bottom
(Post 4061829)
It seems like a good deal with low hours, but it screams McDonalds playplace.
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Originally Posted by Spicy
(Post 4061847)
My buddy Harley is the broker on that boat and i know its a bank owned boat!!!
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Here is a 525 42 Tiger with 60 hours on rebuilds for $105K ask, says next Cig to sell, maybe offer $85K????
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001...s#.UuEr8q8o6Uk |
Ill thrown my .02 in here....IMO, A 100K TS Top Gun will likely need: freshen 525 engines, 525 exhaust(headers), and and usually a cockpit interior redo..... So what, 8-10K each to freshen 525's. Headers are 7K =ish for both engines, and an interior redo will be 10K. So theres 37K and 4K in miscellaneous outdrive BS, paint touch up ect....So the
100K Gun is instantly a 140K Gun.....which is a more realistic price for a fresh, used TS Top Gun. It sucks that all these Cigarette owners or future Cigarette owners are tryng to drive the market down on the #1 boat manufacturer in the world! WHY???? The stigma of owning a "real" Cigarette boat is slowly fading because of all the "302Sports" in the world today. Hes complaining because he could only get 150K for his 42X, but yet is trying to drive the value of everyone elses Cigarette to a minimum so he can buy one cheap......These boats aren't Powerplays or Nortech's Adam, their CIGARETTES! And lastly....Ive been in Franks Tiger may times. It has Fresh 800 Zul's with new Imco SCX drives, pretty bullet proof package IMO..... Something worth mentioning that every penny pincher on this thread over looks is there is absolutely NO comparison performance wise from a 525 TG to Franks 800 Tiger. The boat from 65 to 90 pulls like a freight train and will walk a 525 TG like it was standing still. I would rather be in a 42 800 boat than a 38 525 boat anyday of the week....and you can have either boat for the same price....150K ;) |
And lastly....Ive been in Franks Tiger may times. It has Fresh 800 Zul's with new Imco SCX drives, pretty bullet proof package IMO.....
Something worth mentioning that every penny pincher on this thread over looks is there is absolutely NO comparison performance wise from a 525 TG to Franks 800 Tiger. The boat from 65 to 90 pulls like a freight train and will walk a 525 TG like it was standing still. I would rather be in a 42 800 boat than a 38 525 boat anyday of the week....and you can have either boat for the same price....150K Could you show the listing please |
Originally Posted by kreed
(Post 4061863)
Ill thrown my .02 in here....IMO, A 100K TS Top Gun will likely need: freshen 525 engines, 525 exhaust(headers), and and usually a cockpit interior redo..... So what, 8-10K each to freshen 525's. Headers are 7K =ish for both engines, and an interior redo will be 10K. So theres 37K and 4K in miscellaneous outdrive BS, paint touch up ect....So the
100K Gun is instantly a 140K Gun.....which is a more realistic price for a fresh, used TS Top Gun. It sucks that all these Cigarette owners or future Cigarette owners are tryng to drive the market down on the #1 boat manufacturer in the world! WHY???? The stigma of owning a "real" Cigarette boat is slowly fading because of all the "302Sports" in the world today. Hes complaining because he could only get 150K for his 42X, but yet is trying to drive the value of everyone elses Cigarette to a minimum so he can buy one cheap......These boats aren't Powerplays or Nortech's Adam, their CIGARETTES! 302 also listed his experience with a recent sale on a 42X, he didn't drive the market down. Some could say you lowered the market with your recent sale (38 w/#6's for less than some bravo boats are listed). Why so cheap? Why lower the market?.........because that was the price point the market would support and the quick sale shows that was the right money for the boat. As far as Powerplays, I would bet money a 38 Powerplay would pull more money than a similar year/power 38 Cig because they are simply a better boat. Remember OSO Steve bought a 38 PP and took it out on a rough day to try to knock the flat screen off the cabin wall (didn't happen!). Note all high performance stuff depreciates and the market has gotten smaller since new boats aren't being made in volume. Cig didn't even display in Ft Lauderdale this year and Nor-tech took their spot and loaded it with center consoles (one cat was there). Phil had premiered some of his new boats there in years past, he hasn't been there in 3+ years with a new boat. Dealers aren't stocking new Cigs (like they have for the past 20+ years), heck there are 2-3 dealers in the whole US now! There is less demand for I/O go fasts of all brands, low demand for new ones will also crossover into the used market.....and lower prices. As far as Nor-tech and Cig.......try to find a used 39 Nor-tech CC compared to the dozen Top Fish/Gun Opens that are always available........Also note very few owners have ever bought a NT then flipped over to Cig but plenty of Cig owners flipped to NT. Jeff Jassby and BobtheBuilder both had a TG, then built 2 brand new NT's!.......they must have skipped their servings of #1 Kool-Aid. :D |
Not picking on Cig BTW.....Tiger's look awesome and TG's are always "the original!"
Just don't think Cig has kept up with changes in the market like other builders. Lack of new models, lack of changes/updates will turn off buyers. Really a TG from 1988 looks just like they do now 25 years later. Exposed hinges on compartments, igloo coolers strapped in the cabin and a sh!tter box in the center of the cabin are things that "#1 printed on 47 logos throughout the boat" simply can't overcome (as far as updates) and this is where NT/OL are taking new sales. Performance and price are all similar (ok OL will be the fastest) so updates will make or break the sale. |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4061879)
302 just listed a 105K Lipship Tiger with nice paint/interior, 2006 525's with 60 hours since rebuilds......so that theory of 100K boats need work just went out the window.
302 also listed his experience with a recent sale on a 42X, he didn't drive the market down. Some could say you lowered the market with your recent sale (38 w/#6's for less than some bravo boats are listed). Why so cheap? Why lower the market?.........because that was the price point the market would support and the quick sale shows that was the right money for the boat. As far as Powerplays, I would bet money a 38 Powerplay would pull more money than a similar year/power 38 Cig because they are simply a better boat. Remember OSO Steve bought a 38 PP and took it out on a rough day to try to knock the flat screen off the cabin wall (didn't happen!). Note all high performance stuff depreciates and the market has gotten smaller since new boats aren't being made in volume. Cig didn't even display in Ft Lauderdale this year and Nor-tech took their spot and loaded it with center consoles (one cat was there). Phil had premiered some of his new boats there in years past, he hasn't been there in 3+ years with a new boat. Dealers aren't stocking new Cigs (like they have for the past 20+ years), heck there are 2-3 dealers in the whole US now! There is less demand for I/O go fasts of all brands, low demand for new ones will also crossover to low demand for used ones as well.......demand lowers prices on used ones. As far as Nor-tech and Cig.......try to find a used 39 Nor-tech CC compared to the dozen Top Fish/Gun Opens that are always available........Also note very few owners have ever bought a NT then flipped over to Cig but plenty of Cig owners flipped to NT. Jeff Jassby and BobtheBuilder both had a TG, then built 2 brand new NT's!.......they must have skipped their servings of #1 Kool-Aid. :D The NT and Powerplay statements were two brands that Adam has or does currently own, so I was simply teasing him on a personal level, he's a friend of mine. I'm a fan of both of those brand.....for what it's worth. Reading your Cigarette comments in these forums over the years, it's obvious that you don't like the taste of Cigarette Cool Aid as you rarely have anything positive to say about them, so most of us on this thread are already behind the eight ball with you from the get go, but that's cool... To each his own. The sale price of my boat was set at 69K for a few reasons, not that I need to explain, but I will. It's an older(1988) boat and it's hard to justify a much higher price with all the "deals" out there if I really want the boat to sell anytime soon. Basically, I wanted it to sell in 2 days, not sit for 2 years. Also, I advertised in the add that the engines had 200 and 400 hours on them. Knowing that the new owner was going to have to spend some coin to freshen them, I was trying to be realistic about the cost of the boat plus engine freshens as a whole, which any buyer is going to consider when makin a purchase. And lastly, I bought the boat at a "deal" price. I've put money into it myself and was still able to make a few bucks on it even at 69K, so at the end of the day, it was a win win for me and for the buyer getting a nice Top Gun for a reasonable price. |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4061889)
Not picking on Cig BTW.....Tiger's look awesome and TG's are always "the original!"
Just don't think Cig has kept up with changes in the market like other builders. Lack of new models, lack of changes/updates will turn off buyers. Really a TG from 1988 looks just like they do now 25 years later. Exposed hinges on compartments, igloo coolers strapped in the cabin and a sh!tter box in the center of the cabin are things that "#1 printed on 47 logos throughout the boat" simply can't overcome (as far as updates) and this is where NT/OL are taking new sales. Performance and price are all similar (ok OL will be the fastest) so updates will make or break the sale. A lot of people like the fact that a product hasn't evolved too much. Look at the old Porsche 911, other than a few changes, a 1969 has the same basic appearance and shape as a 1990+. They are still sought after for that classic look. The TG is not all that dissimilar in this regard... it has a timeless appeal. For this same reason the resale in the used market remains strong for these boats. New buyers still like the classic look, while at the same time someone at the bottom end of the market can buy a 1989 and at least in their mind (and most of the general publics mind), he has the same exact boat as the guy with the new model. Not the same boat, but they do have the same basic look so the market is stronger than it otherwise would be when compared to some other company that constantly changes and evolves their look and technology. In the later case, the value of the older models can get driven down quickly because it they look dated (compared to the latest and greatest) very quickly. So sometimes lack of evolution isn't always a bad thing. How many TG's have been sold over the years? I'm not a huge fan of them (since there are 10 or more on every dock), but you can't argue there isn't demand for them... and mostly for that classic look and appear. Anyway, just an observation. |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4061879)
302 just listed a 105K Lipship Tiger with nice paint/interior, 2006 525's with 60 hours since rebuilds......so that theory of 100K boats need work just went out the window.
302 also listed his experience with a recent sale on a 42X, he didn't drive the market down. Some could say you lowered the market with your recent sale (38 w/#6's for less than some bravo boats are listed). Why so cheap? Why lower the market?.........because that was the price point the market would support and the quick sale shows that was the right money for the boat. As far as Powerplays, I would bet money a 38 Powerplay would pull more money than a similar year/power 38 Cig because they are simply a better boat. Remember OSO Steve bought a 38 PP and took it out on a rough day to try to knock the flat screen off the cabin wall (didn't happen!). Note all high performance stuff depreciates and the market has gotten smaller since new boats aren't being made in volume. Cig didn't even display in Ft Lauderdale this year and Nor-tech took their spot and loaded it with center consoles (one cat was there). Phil had premiered some of his new boats there in years past, he hasn't been there in 3+ years with a new boat. Dealers aren't stocking new Cigs (like they have for the past 20+ years), heck there are 2-3 dealers in the whole US now! There is less demand for I/O go fasts of all brands, low demand for new ones will also crossover into the used market.....and lower prices. As far as Nor-tech and Cig.......try to find a used 39 Nor-tech CC compared to the dozen Top Fish/Gun Opens that are always available........Also note very few owners have ever bought a NT then flipped over to Cig but plenty of Cig owners flipped to NT. Jeff Jassby and BobtheBuilder both had a TG, then built 2 brand new NT's!.......they must have skipped their servings of #1 Kool-Aid. :D |
Jupiter I will say you are on point on the crapper box in the middle of the floor, and the whole cabin for that matter. OL wins hands down on speed and creature comforts. And I for one really don't see the whole center council thing it's not for me. But to each their own.
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Originally Posted by 88bullet
(Post 4061632)
this boat went to LOTO. super clean t/s
[ATTACH=CONFIG]516982[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]516983[/ATTACH] |
I'll make this a little easier for everyone to understand. Boat depreciate.
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It's the same people year after year that come on here letting all of us know how much are boats aren't worth.
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Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4061861)
Here is a 525 42 Tiger with 60 hours on rebuilds for $105K ask, says next Cig to sell, maybe offer $85K????
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001...s#.UuEr8q8o6Uk |
i must agree! it's one of the nicer tigers i have seen. from the paint to the motors it is a nice package. someone will get a hell of a deal. you just have to look close to see where the salt has gotten to on this boat, but looks great in the pics. even the rear sun pad logo looks new
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