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notched 89 TG
hey guys a little :offtopic: but this could be had for less than 100k so rumor has it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ysG_IMRJyE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReMbDUgfXF4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN60fFeXDWU more than a bit less |
Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4061861)
Here is a 525 42 Tiger with 60 hours on rebuilds for $105K ask, says next Cig to sell, maybe offer $85K????
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001...s#.UuEr8q8o6Uk |
As someone who is WAY upside down in a used boat, let me add some perspective.
It's just about impossible to determine the price on a performance boat based on past sales. These are not used cars where you can use condition, mileage and options as a baseline. These boats are custom designed to an original owners specs and the condition can vary widely. You really have to take each boat as a case by case basis. "Is this boat worth $X to me?" "Will I receive $X amount of enjoyment out of this boat?" These boats are a very emotional purchase, maybe the most emotional purchase out there. No one needs a performance boat. Most of the used boats that languish on the market do so because they haven't pulled at anyones heart strings, because the right buyer hasn't come along. Just like there are plenty of boats that seem like good deals and sit around, there are plenty of boats that seemed way overpriced (to me) but sold right away because they found the right buyer. These boats are very unique, if you find the boat that is exactly what you want you have to pay what the owner is asking. Anyone who is shopping for a "deal" on a performance boat is completely missing the point because the purchase price can easily end up being the cheapest part of ownership. It is really easy to start with a boat that only needs a little love, and end up sinking $100k into it. This hobby is full of guys who passed up on their dream boat because they found a "deal", only to end up spending even more money in the end on a boat that they still don't really even like. Anytime you sink money into upgrading or customizing a boat, you have to know that you are never getting that money back. But that isn't the point- the point is now you have exactly what YOU want. Just because someone is willing to sell their boat cheap does that mean that is all your upgraded or customized boat is worth. Nope. Because somewhere out there is a guy who wants exactly what you want, and will give you a reasonable price for your boat and still come out way ahead than if he tried to do it himself. In the meantime, stop worrying about what your boats are worth and get out and enjoy them. |
well said and so true carry on gents
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This boat used to be on Long Island... Very nice boat ran well but the ugliest color combo ever!! Lite beige and a dull dark red absolutely horrible!!
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Hell of a deal
...and sometime you think you`re getting a steal of a deal and all the boat needs is a few 'finishing' touches and it turns out it needs pretty much everything redone and then some. Then you realize you could have bought a boat twice at the price and one much newer and you could have saved your self a $hitload of stress and hundreds of man hours and been ahead by a mile... ask me how I know.
Actually please don`t. http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...0/37174460.jpg |
Or you can get a survey, go over it with a fine tooth comb, and if everything checks out, buy it, and you got yourself a deal.
Here is the other side of this whole deal that nobody else is thinking about. When a boat is a little rough around the edges, and is very low priced because of it, a guy who can do a lot of his own work can swing in. At that point he can fluff and buff it, run it for a year, and most likely get all of his money back out of it. I might think different than most of you because I have had 6 boats in 8 years of owning boats, so I never keep my boats and have to be very, very careful what I buy or I will end up keeping it like a lot of people on here. |
Originally Posted by richanton
(Post 4062190)
As someone who is WAY upside down in a used boat, let me add some perspective.
It's just about impossible to determine the price on a performance boat based on past sales. These are not used cars where you can use condition, mileage and options as a baseline. These boats are custom designed to an original owners specs and the condition can vary widely. You really have to take each boat as a case by case basis. "Is this boat worth $X to me?" "Will I receive $X amount of enjoyment out of this boat?" These boats are a very emotional purchase, maybe the most emotional purchase out there. No one needs a performance boat. Most of the used boats that languish on the market do so because they haven't pulled at anyones heart strings, because the right buyer hasn't come along. Just like there are plenty of boats that seem like good deals and sit around, there are plenty of boats that seemed way overpriced (to me) but sold right away because they found the right buyer. These boats are very unique, if you find the boat that is exactly what you want you have to pay what the owner is asking. Anyone who is shopping for a "deal" on a performance boat is completely missing the point because the purchase price can easily end up being the cheapest part of ownership. It is really easy to start with a boat that only needs a little love, and end up sinking $100k into it. This hobby is full of guys who passed up on their dream boat because they found a "deal", only to end up spending even more money in the end on a boat that they still don't really even like. Anytime you sink money into upgrading or customizing a boat, you have to know that you are never getting that money back. But that isn't the point- the point is now you have exactly what YOU want. Just because someone is willing to sell their boat cheap does that mean that is all your upgraded or customized boat is worth. Nope. Because somewhere out there is a guy who wants exactly what you want, and will give you a reasonable price for your boat and still come out way ahead than if he tried to do it himself. In the meantime, stop worrying about what your boats are worth and get out and enjoy them. Well said Rich and I'm right there with you as far as being upside down in a boat. BUT, when it's done, everything in and on it will be new and exactly the way I want it. Will it sell for what I have in it? NO. But, will it sell for more than what other 37 OL are going for that don't have new paint, new wiring, new engines, new cabin, new drives, new interior (well you get the picture) yes it will. You just have to tell the buyers to go look at a few of the non-updated or partially updated 37's first and then look at a complete make-over......they will see the difference quickly. And, as long as they understand what it cost to achieve a full makeover, they will come out WAY ahead of trying to buy one cheap and fix it up. Sorry for the hijack. |
Originally Posted by SS930
(Post 4061916)
I'm not going to dive into the pissing match, but I will play devil's advocate here...
A lot of people like the fact that a product hasn't evolved too much. Look at the old Porsche 911, other than a few changes, a 1969 has the same basic appearance and shape as a 1990+. They are still sought after for that classic look. The TG is not all that dissimilar in this regard... it has a timeless appeal. For this same reason the resale in the used market remains strong for these boats. New buyers still like the classic look, while at the same time someone at the bottom end of the market can buy a 1989 and at least in their mind (and most of the general publics mind), he has the same exact boat as the guy with the new model. Not the same boat, but they do have the same basic look so the market is stronger than it otherwise would be when compared to some other company that constantly changes and evolves their look and technology. In the later case, the value of the older models can get driven down quickly because it they look dated (compared to the latest and greatest) very quickly. So sometimes lack of evolution isn't always a bad thing. How many TG's have been sold over the years? I'm not a huge fan of them (since there are 10 or more on every dock), but you can't argue there isn't demand for them... and mostly for that classic look and appear. Anyway, just an observation. Like Harley, Ford Trucks, Marlboro, Cig has great brand recognition (the best in performance boats) but companies like OL are reinventing the game. Look at a 1998 37 Stiletto, safe to say you would never confuse that boat with any OL built in the last 5 years........constant evolution. |
Originally Posted by kreed
(Post 4061898)
The NT and Powerplay statements were two brands that Adam has or does currently own, so I was simply teasing him on a personal level, he's a friend of mine. I'm a fan of both of those brand.....for what it's worth. Reading your Cigarette comments in these forums over the years, it's obvious that you don't like the taste of Cigarette Cool Aid as you rarely have anything positive to say about them, so most of us on this thread are already behind the eight ball with you from the get go, but that's cool... To each his own.
gotcha on the PP/NT reference, I didn't realize it was specifically pointed at 302.... I like Cigs, would never give Skip a penny for a new one but I like Phil's work and appreciate the brand. Some of the most awesome builds in recent years were Cigs (AM2, Rum Runner, Helios, any of the Marauders etc). But I haven't seen a 38/39 in a few years that was a showstopper like the stuff build in the TAOD years. Phil built a couple 42X's that were awesome but the last few Miami Show boats built were nothing special (38/39/42). I think a 520/565 powered TG/Tiger with timeless paint could be a boat you could enjoy for 5+ years and not get killed in maintenance/drives. Of course mine would have the "logo delete" package! :D.......one on each side, one on sunpad and that's it!.......None on each gauge, every seat, battery plates, handles, cabin pillows, cabin walls, toilet lid, swim platform, cooler, fuse panel or anywhere else they could possibly put one! |
I think survey is good idea.I bought a few performance boats my dad was a boater he always said sea trial a must or don't buy it!I did that and good thing I did!!!I knew what did or did not work!The dealer corrected it and I was happy!Over $100k bring expert survey on any performance boat !The guys on here also know about what drives can handle a good point!If I bought that Cigarette I whould bring or pay expert!
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4062404)
I love 911's so I can see your point but if Porsche was still churning out 110 HP cars like they were in 1969 I'm not sure they still would be selling! A new Carrera S pumps out more HP than a turbo from 20 years ago......pretty good evolution there but not so much in the boats.
Like Harley, Ford Trucks, Marlboro, Cig has great brand recognition (the best in performance boats) but companies like OL are reinventing the game. Look at a 1998 37 Stiletto, safe to say you would never confuse that boat with any OL built in the last 5 years........constant evolution. EDIT: A perfect example regarding the same basic boat, just with a bustle. ;) http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/o...ml#post4062439 |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4062410)
Some of the most awesome builds in recent years were Cigs (AM2, Rum Runner, Helios, any of the Marauders etc). But I haven't seen a 38/39 in a few years that was a showstopper like the stuff build in the TAOD years. Phil built a couple 42X's that were awesome but the last few Miami Show boats built were nothing special (38/39/42).
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Originally Posted by Donziben
(Post 4061017)
I always liked the paint job on the boat and also have wondered why it's been for sale forever. Motors might need rebuilt but if you could get it right would be worth it if rest of the boat is in good shape. The owner might not have to get rid of it either, he could just be waiting till he gets the offer he wants. That being said it has been on the market a long time I would probably take it off the Internet for a while.
302, I would live to know where some of these T/S top guns in the 80's are. Nice T/S guns, even if they need top ends or a little paint are getting hard to find below 100. Would like to see the ones in the 80's. Curious what they look like. Probably Katrina specialtys! http://www.boatshop24.com/dk/cigaret...otorbaad/34533 http://www.boatshop24.com/dk/cigaret...torbaad/146293 http://www.boatshop24.com/dk/cigaret...torbaad/315840 |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4062410)
gotcha on the PP/NT reference, I didn't realize it was specifically pointed at 302....
. Of course mine would have the "logo delete" package! :D.......one on each side, one on sunpad and that's it!.......None on each gauge, every seat, battery plates, handles, cabin pillows, cabin walls, toilet lid, swim platform, cooler, fuse panel or anywhere else they could possibly put one! |
Originally Posted by MultiHull
(Post 4062525)
Europe
http://www.boatshop24.com/dk/cigaret...otorbaad/34533 http://www.boatshop24.com/dk/cigaret...torbaad/146293 http://www.boatshop24.com/dk/cigaret...torbaad/315840 |
Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4062532)
Those aren't twin steps, need to be 2000 or newer.......
Sorry my bad, I thought you meant where are all the old ones from the 80... |
Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4061861)
Here is a 525 42 Tiger with 60 hours on rebuilds for $105K ask, says next Cig to sell, maybe offer $85K????
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001...s#.UuEr8q8o6Uk |
Originally Posted by SS930
(Post 4062468)
Actually, if you put a 1994 37 Stiletto next to a new 36 SL (or even a 37CC), you will see they are still the same basic hull with bottom tweaks, a restyled stern to facilitate the newer bustle, and of course updated paint. Same can be said of the older 42 Legacy, the boat is basically the same as the 44 SL, it just has different steps and the redesigned stern to accommodate the bustle. From a visual standpoint, the basic hull and deck are still very similar, it's just the addition of the bustle that has made them look different. Regardless, I fully understand what you're saying about OL continuing evolve...
EDIT: A perfect example regarding the same basic boat, just with a bustle. ;) http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/o...ml#post4062439 i disagree on the 37 stiletto vs 36 SL comparison. yes the decks are similar but the bottoms are nothing alike. thats like saying a ferrari is similar to a mazda miata because they both have 4 wheels and 2 doors. |
Originally Posted by 1MOSES1
(Post 4062542)
holy tire kicker batman...:party-smiley-004:
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Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4062569)
What's the worst he can say no? Anybody who has a guy standing there with a check within 25% of their ask in this market should think long and hard.......
that all its worth anyways. no merc power. big lengthy boat. i dont like the name. doesnt run on pump fuel. old nor-techs can be had for half what you are asking. cockpit layout meh. color meh. dont like the color of the air cleaners. the list goes on...these are all apples to apples comparisons of course. i just talked myself down to 45k cash :eekdrop: |
Originally Posted by 1MOSES1
(Post 4062546)
i disagree on the 37 stiletto vs 36 SL comparison. yes the decks are similar but the bottoms are nothing alike. thats like saying a ferrari is similar to a mazda miata because they both have 4 wheels and 2 doors.
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Originally Posted by 1MOSES1
(Post 4062583)
in that case...ill give you 50k cash for the nor-tech :whistle:
that all its worth anyways. no merc power. big lengthy boat. i dont like the name. doesnt run on pump fuel. old nor-techs can be had for half what you are asking. cockpit layout meh. color meh. dont like the color of the air cleaners. the list goes on...these are all apples to apples comparisons of course. i just talked myself down to 45k cash :eekdrop: See its not that hard, especially when you don't have to sell. But a bunch of these people have a bank up their a$$ and have to get rid of it. |
Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4062589)
I'll just run it this year at that price. Thank you though. BTW, why couldn't you run the turbines on pump gas? Please enlighten me....
See its not that hard, especially when you don't have to sell. But a bunch of these people have a bank up their a$$ and have to get rid of it. |
Originally Posted by 1MOSES1
(Post 4062603)
you should be enlightening me....you are the "turbine expert" :lolhit:
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Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4062589)
I'll just run it this year at that price. Thank you though. BTW, why couldn't you run the turbines on pump gas? Please enlighten me....
See its not that hard, especially when you don't have to sell. But a bunch of these people have a bank up their a$$ and have to get rid of it. |
Originally Posted by SS930
(Post 4062468)
Actually, if you put a 1994 37 Stiletto next to a new 36 SL (or even a 37CC), you will see they are still the same basic hull with bottom tweaks, a restyled stern to facilitate the newer bustle, and of course updated paint. Same can be said of the older 42 Legacy, the boat is basically the same as the 44 SL, it just has different steps and the redesigned stern to accommodate the bustle. From a visual standpoint, the basic hull and deck are still very similar, it's just the addition of the bustle that has made them look different. Regardless, I fully understand what you're saying about OL continuing evolve... EDIT: A perfect example regarding the same basic boat, just with a bustle. ;) http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/o...ml#post4062439 OL has changed the interiors, the gauges, the rigging has gotten insane over the years, the bottoms are ever changing, the sit down boats, the open bow stuff, bustle/no bustle......hard to say that a 37 looks anything like a 36 unless you are back at the "canoe shape" theory. |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4062713)
Actually all v bottom go fasts have canoe like shapes!
OL has changed the interiors, the gauges, the rigging has gotten insane over the years, the bottoms are ever changing, the sit down boats, the open bow stuff, bustle/no bustle......hard to say that a 37 looks anything like a 36 unless you are back at the "canoe shape" theory. |
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001...s#.UvVGYftuE7Y
Sale pending. He did say it would be the next Cig to sell. |
Here's another nice $85k TS Gun for you guys. I know they don't exist though, so it must be a misprint.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o55817-en.html |
Getting in late on this thread, but I'm looking for a Cig with turbo turbines that I can run on vegetable oil from those big black bins behind Wendys.. Ideally, it would have only two of the three pastel colors from Don Johnson's wardrobe and #7 nipple piercing drives. No salt water boats please. Have something similar to cash to trade. BM me.
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Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4077041)
Here's another nice $85k TS Gun for you guys. I know they don't exist though, so it must be a misprint.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o55817-en.html |
Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4077041)
Here's another nice $85k TS Gun for you guys. I know they don't exist though, so it must be a misprint.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o55817-en.html |
Originally Posted by SS930
(Post 4077853)
I like that boat, including the paint. It seems like a lot of boat for the money, but it obviously might have some unseen issues as you look a little closer. Seems like it would be worth a look though!
I can tell you that the 2 days I ran it this year at the shootout, it shocked a few people. It hits hard. The boat is priced to sell at the right time of the year. You are seeing an honest ad that lists a sell price. If you think this guy needs the money or that this is a fire sale, your wrong. |
I like the 2001 listed for sale @ $85k. Seems like a fair buy. Like others have said, and the seller, if you want it all right you'll be in the boat for well over $100,000. Nice boat for the $$. Good luck with the sale.
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I took a quick look at this boat while I was at Suncoast in January. The boat was in fantastic condition, 250 hrs total on the hull and zero hrs on fresh Innovation rebuilds. Dyno time only. Break in oil in the motors. It got it's first run in Sarasota Bay today. It is now sold. That boat was cleeean, zero corrosion or dock dings etc etc. Gentleman's paint job might have taken the luster off it for some who seeks a wilder scheme.Engine comp rigging all mint and original. Looks better in person than the pictures show it.Boat ran strong. They didn't push it all the way due to fresh motors etc. This boat was listed for a lot more about 2 years or so ago?The tag was....200 000 I believe. He had a couple offers back then that were WAY higher than the 134500.00 tag on it.I believe the cost of the note remaining at the time was what stopped the sale. Now all was good and she had to go...word is owner bought an 80 ft yacht! So it was time to send this one off. My buddy is a true boater and will enjoy the hell out of it. Calm seas or no lol.Brand new custom aluminum Myco on the way for her : ) Many of my friends wish their boat wish their boats were this clean and tight.
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There's been a lot of talk about what these boats are worth and what they should be selling for. These two sold recently when the asking price dropped below $150k. Of course I don't know what they actually sold for or what kind of condition either one was in (although both look damn good in the pix). So just saying, south of $150k seems about right.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o12578-en.html http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o56376-en.html |
Originally Posted by nkosi
(Post 4113627)
There's been a lot of talk about what these boats are worth and what they should be selling for. These two sold recently when the asking price dropped below $150k. Of course I don't know what they actually sold for or what kind of condition either one was in (although both look damn good in the pix). So just saying, south of $150k seems about right.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o12578-en.html http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o56376-en.html Date Added: 10/03/2006 Last Updated: 04/02/2014 The first Tiger has been for sale 8 years! 35,500 page views! |
The yellow one supposedly sold for $125k, no trailer. Don't know what the second one sold for.
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