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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4072271)
Based on the classified ads:
37/565 boat: 390K...http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o55715-en.html 33/520 boat: 300K...http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o55717-en.html 29/520 boat...145K..http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o55716-en.html |
All 3 are good boats and I have ridden and driven all but the Sunny. However I have seat time in the F4 Sunny (does that count).
The TG will have the best ride, best handling, best ergonomics and best resale. The sunny will be the fastest with same power. The AT / Cig will be at similar speeds with identical power. The AT will have the most creature comforts and deeper cockpit. You will be "the man" with a Cig. |
Originally Posted by BillR
(Post 4072332)
All 3 are good boats and I have ridden and driven all but the Sunny. However I have seat time in the F4 Sunny (does that count).
The TG will have the best ride, best handling, best ergonomics and best resale. The sunny will be the fastest with same power. The AT / Cig will be at similar speeds with identical power. The AT will have the most creature comforts and deeper cockpit. You will be "the man" with a Cig. |
Why the pick and choose? Not saying id want to run hot and heavy in rough but curious as to the throttle control.
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Originally Posted by BillR
(Post 4072332)
All 3 are good boats and I have ridden and driven all but the Sunny. However I have seat time in the F4 Sunny (does that count).
The TG will have the best ride, best handling, best ergonomics and best resale. The sunny will be the fastest with same power. The AT / Cig will be at similar speeds with identical power. The AT will have the most creature comforts and deeper cockpit. You will be "the man" with a Cig. Cool thing with a sunny is it's different. Again, comfort is key as having 4-8 people on the boat will be the norm. It seems that the sunny provides all of the above with a great hull. Albeit it won't handle OSO 7'ers like a cig, seems it would manage most of inland water (Cumberland) and a trip to Florida if we ever did it |
I don't know if you're in a hurry to do anything soon but I keep my 37 A.T. down there and stay at State Dock. I would be glad to take you out for a spin this spring if you would be interested.
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Hate to say it but the Only thing my cabin is good for in the Cig is piling all the chit on the floor after you Run the Floock out of it!
And it is a Blast doing it!!! If you want cabin get a BT . |
Originally Posted by CrownLPX
(Post 4072472)
Why the pick and choose? Not saying id want to run hot and heavy in rough but curious as to the throttle control.
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Ut oh...you just sounded the apache fan boy mating call with that statement :)
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Before i bought my first Cig i was too thought about getting a new Sunsation compared to used Cig
Sunsations are great boats but don't compare to the Cig and for me it was a decision i never regretted |
Originally Posted by CrownLPX
(Post 4072472)
Why the pick and choose? Not saying id want to run hot and heavy in rough but curious as to the throttle control.
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Originally Posted by boatfreak
(Post 4072521)
I don't know if you're in a hurry to do anything soon but I keep my 37 A.T. down there and stay at State Dock. I would be glad to take you out for a spin this spring if you would be interested.
I launch out of alligator 1! I would love to take you up on the offer and really appreciate it |
Originally Posted by Magic Medicine
(Post 4072954)
You are gonna have to pick and choose where you run almost any boat hard on a busy weekend at LOTO. That is if you care about the safety of yourself, your passengers and your fellow boaters. The main channel gets rough!!!!!
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Originally Posted by CrownLPX
(Post 4072966)
Makes sense now. I've never been there but have seen some wild videos
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Or you could just come and buy my 35 Cigarette and only have to drive a couple miles to pick it up. :)
Darin |
I'm curious, there are a number of nice top guns on the market at very reasonable prices. If I were to switch to a closed bow I think I'd want a comfortable cabin to crash out in. It seems like everyone, even Cig owners knock the cabin. What don't people like?
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Just tight getting into. Not really that bad once in. I have crashed in there several times.
Moved up from a Baja it had a lot easier entry, BUT its not a CIG!!! |
Originally Posted by Quinlan
(Post 4073072)
Just tight getting into. Not really that bad once in. I have crashed in there several times.
Moved up from a Baja it had a lot easier entry, BUT its not a CIG!!! |
Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me
(Post 4072988)
The year they had Sea Ray's Aquapalooza at Coconut's on LOTO the water was big enough in the Gravois Arm to launch an F-4 into a low altitude orbit. Just ask Mentalpause on here!
http://youtu.be/M38GhA-2Quo?t=36s |
Originally Posted by PROTOTYPE28
(Post 4073022)
Or you could just come and buy my 35 Cigarette and only have to drive a couple miles to pick it up. :)
Darin |
My thoughts on sunny are I have seen a few wrecked along with AT and Cigarette on more that one instance I have seen the sunny literately broke in half. I have never seen that with At or cigarette. you half to look under the skin. I would rather have a baja over the sunny sorry not a fan. keep looking
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Originally Posted by customryder
(Post 4074658)
My thoughts on sunny are I have seen a few wrecked along with AT and Cigarette on more that one instance I have seen the sunny literately broke in half. I have never seen that with At or cigarette. you half to look under the skin. I would rather have a baja over the sunny sorry not a fan. keep looking
As far as cracked hulls what about Lucky Strike's old boat Pink Flamingo (38 TG) that "pool whore" was running out in California when the hull split 5 ft down the side......no wreck just a split hull that sunk the boat! |
Originally Posted by stimleck
(Post 4071524)
this is so not true. Without being burdened
with historical loyalty I think a Sunsations looks way nicer than a cigarette. Cigarettes look like they are stuck in the past. |
Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 4074758)
I can't tell if he's joking or not?
I didn't know Stevie Wonder was an Offshore Only member! :D See post #36..... |
Originally Posted by h20 toie
(Post 4072952)
Before i bought my first Cig i was too thought about getting a new Sunsation compared to used Cig
Sunsations are great boats but don't compare to the Cig and for me it was a decision i never regretted |
So I took a smaller step first to a 32 Sunny. Now I’m ready for the next boat. So, looking at the boats today, what is your pick? Despite looking for a Cig, the recent Cig price thread made me think of this post from a few years back. |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4074750)
To be fair, almost all of the Sunny wrecks were the first generation 32 SS twin step hull, many previous owners of 28/32s stepped up to the new design and drove them like their old non step boats......which got them in trouble. The one that split on the chain of lakes ran aground at a very high rate of speed.....terrible crash.
As far as cracked hulls what about Lucky Strike's old boat Pink Flamingo (38 TG) that "pool whore" was running out in California when the hull split 5 ft down the side......no wreck just a split hull that sunk the boat! As for the main question, go ride in each and make a decision, however there is only “1” answer. |
Originally Posted by Lucky Strike Jr
(Post 4684646)
I just want to clear this up which has nothing to do with the original post and make it clear the “Pink Flamingo” did not just split apart. The guy who owned it after “pool whore” hit something in the water at the SCOPE Poker Run to cause the boat to partially sink. As for the main question, go ride in each and make a decision, however there is only “1” answer. Well if the OP did buy a 38 TS TG 5 years ago he probably would have made money based on the asking prices today. As for the other options, Sunsation doesn't even make I/O powerboats anymore and not sure AT has made more than a few over that same 5 year period. I loved my MCOB and with kids it was ideal as the cabin was basically "ventilated shade" at slow speeds. Today I would probably steer clear of I/O stuff just due to the total lack of shade. So maybe a 33 Powerplay CC with I/O's solves the equation! :D Someone else was asking about TG's and the subject of cheaper Tigers popped up. I think the Tiger is a good looking boat and shouldn't be ruled out but the cheaper ones aren't real updated in the paint dept. 302 posted a few links of cool boats from OL's to Hustlers all around 100K and they looked decent but they were all about 20 years old. |
Complete apples to oranges comparison IMO. If you are taking the kids out, why would you want a 38 TG with a cabin that is not really usable except to get out of the rain. That in of itself cost you half of the usable space on the Cig. On the other hand, keep in mind that the 36 Sunny includes the molded swim platform in the length so it's not a tremendous amount bigger than the 32 Sunny. The mid-cabin will open the Sunny up and give you the most room of the two IMO.
With this said, a new 36 Sunny will be pricey to say the least. You might want to consider some other options at the price-point at which you will be. ** I looked and drove both of these boats and the 37 Active Thunder before going with a 37 Outerlimits. |
Originally Posted by TCBoss302
(Post 4684664)
Complete apples to oranges comparison IMO. If you are taking the kids out, why would you want a 38 TG with a cabin that is not really usable except to get out of the rain. That in of itself cost you half of the usable space on the Cig. On the other hand, keep in mind that the 36 Sunny includes the molded swim platform in the length so it's not a tremendous amount bigger than the 32 Sunny. The mid-cabin will open the Sunny up and give you the most room of the two IMO.
With this said, a new 36 Sunny will be pricey to say the least. You might want to consider some other options at the price-point at which you will be. ** I looked and drove both of these boats and the 37 Active Thunder before going with a 37 Outerlimits. |
Jupiter - I am the OP and I dug up an old thread because I’ve been shopping for a new to me boat. I was compelled to bring this to the top because of another thread that was discussing TG values. I’ve done my part of hounding the people I know about their opinions and feedback on the boats I’m looking at so wanted to reach out a bit more. The note about the cuddy is valid, for me. The boat is for my daughter and I. She is 7 and wants a cuddy so she can play and watch her iPad when she “gets too hot” 🤦🏻*♂️. I enjoy the open cockpit on my 32 SSR and value the taller freeboard. A safe and comfortable ride is important to me. Also, on the depreciation/value point... seems like if I can find a 38 TG TS 06+, it’s the safest buy as far as resale is concerned. |
You are mistaken again, I boat on the chain of lakes I know exactly where the accident happened and I could personally tell you he was not a beginner boat owner, that was Dan that raced for a number of years in key west, so please let’s keep it real
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4074750)
To be fair, almost all of the Sunny wrecks were the first generation 32 SS twin step hull, many previous owners of 28/32s stepped up to the new design and drove them like their old non step boats......which got them in trouble. The one that split on the chain of lakes ran aground at a very high rate of speed.....terrible crash!
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Originally Posted by Sunny32SSR
(Post 4070762)
Background
So I have been the proud owner of a '06 Sunsation 288 MCOB for the last two years. Looking to move up to the next boat and bypass the 30-33ft stage. I have also taken Tres's course. Needs I have a daughter and my girlfriend has a son and they're both 2 years old. We want something that is going to be able to accommodate us today as well as into the future. Where do I boat? Lake Cumberland and will likely travel South to join in some of the Florida PRs Truck - 2011 F250 Lariat CC, short bed, 6.7 What I want From the powerplant perspective, if I go with a Sunsation it will be built new and done so with 520s. If I go with the Cig it will be used and focusing on '09+ 525s in order to bypass the CMI header debacle. Top speed isn't my concern. Either package will get me into the 90s. I want reliability! XRs with ITS is really catching my attention and with the Sunny then we get into the whole digital shift and throttle controls which I think rock. Comparing the two, which one is really going to provide the best overall comfort and ride? The MCOB is something I'm quite fond of because you open up a ton of room you don't get with the traditional cuddy. More so, as the kids grow up, they will want to invite friends to come along for our weekend excursions to the lake. Again, this is where the extra room has its benefits. Active Thunder came to mind but it would be a custom one-off which I believe is going to be outside of what I am able to afford. Thoughts? I prefer the Cigarette and would not buy the Sunsation, but I don't have two (2) year old children going boating either; that factor alone persuaded me that the Sunsation would be family friendlier. Either way you decide, will be a good decision, get it, drive it, enjoy it, build good memories. I wish you the best. Stephen |
Originally Posted by boatnt
(Post 4684738)
You are mistaken again, I boat on the chain of lakes I know exactly where the accident happened and I could personally tell you he was not a beginner boat owner, that was Dan that raced for a number of years in key west, so please let’s keep it real The pics posted back when it happened showed a boat sitting in very shallow water, less than knee deep. Hope he made a full recovery. |
Originally Posted by Sunny32SSR
(Post 4684729)
Jupiter - I am the OP and I dug up an old thread because I’ve been shopping for a new to me boat. I was compelled to bring this to the top because of another thread that was discussing TG values. I’ve done my part of hounding the people I know about their opinions and feedback on the boats I’m looking at so wanted to reach out a bit more. The note about the cuddy is valid, for me. The boat is for my daughter and I. She is 7 and wants a cuddy so she can play and watch her iPad when she “gets too hot” 🤦🏻*♂️. I enjoy the open cockpit on my 32 SSR and value the taller freeboard. A safe and comfortable ride is important to me. Also, on the depreciation/value point... seems like if I can find a 38 TG TS 06+, it’s the safest buy as far as resale is concerned. Buy a TG with good paint, fresh headers and enjoy it! I think the prices are high for 10-12 year old boats that are out of favor (favor being new OB CC's) but as Tommy Gun predicted the nice stuff will pull a premium since the production numbers dropped significantly after 07-08. My buddy had a 38 Powerplay with a generator and that thing was literally a ice box when the genny/ac were on in the cabin. He let the kids get cleaned up after the day at the sandbar and they would hang out in there to cool off and watch the flat screen tv! It is nice to have options! |
Originally Posted by jbraun2828
(Post 4071012)
I just said it before you got into your predictable non sense. As for the op, I would take a 10 year old cig before a new sunsation and I think you may be surprised by pricing from at. I think they probably offer the most bang for the buck out there today
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4684766)
The pics posted back when it happened showed a boat sitting in very shallow water, less than knee deep. Hope he made a full recovery. |
Originally Posted by 39 Unlimited
(Post 4684801)
So agree jbraun. JS is a no it all that loves to bash Cigarette.
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4684870)
You pick nice colors for your boat but grammar isn't your strong suit (know it all vs. no it all)! :D Then if you took the time to read the post above yours (#75) you might agree that your post here was non sequitur.
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Originally Posted by Sunny32SSR
(Post 4684875)
Stop the bashing, JS. I’m not running you aground for the fact your boat got repossessed... but since old forums have gone away I guess it’s tribal knowledge now. |
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