You guys think you can change human nature and you can't. I just operated on a 5'3" 265lb with a broken hip. She if 53. Do you think if I tell her to eat broccoli and chicken she will? Nope. She's going straight to Golden Coral when she is discharged. I can preach to her until I'm blue in the face about how important it is for her to lose weight and she will still drink Mountain Dew and eat Snikers.

The same goes with preaching to guys with big fast boats about slowing down. It's not gonna happen. The guys who have been responsible and looked out for others their whole lives will (I'm in this group) will continue to make responsible decisions on the water. The guys who have been idiot jackasses their whole lives will continue to do so tomorrow, next week and next year. YOU CAN'T FIX ARROGANT AND STUPID!!!

We only run fast in the mornings and for very short bursts then we back off. Why? because we care about our lives and the the lives of others around us. Forums, safety courses and lectures aren't going to make stupid people smart which is why in 2024 I'll be reading the same story different verse when it comes to this stuff.

That being said….if you pull up beside me and the lake is clear…..game on!!:)

I agree you cant change human nature....but promoters of these events will not be able to put these events on when you invite a bunch of Type A personalities from around the country to the same body of water.

Some of my favorite poker runs I have attended did not have set times for stops or started from the same spot. Spreads the boats out and really makes a big difference in my eye. I love going fast just as much as the next guy, but I also take my family out in a Malibu, and had the big boats get to close for comfort for me....just my .02 cents

I did't think people were invited.

I hope to do KW and Miami next year and was just going to pay my entry fee and show up.

I was going to do Desert Storm this year with the same intentions but my niece some how picked the 1 weekend in the spring to get married that it happens to fall on. I was going to see my friends new MTI be delivered there and get to take a few rides but now I'm going to be doing the YMCA and chicken dance.

I don't think that. I want to at least say the right thing. That should always be done. As to what happens in life, those involved will have to live or die with the results. That's all.

Man if this keeps up there going to put a speed limit on the shoot out... I don't go to poker runs to watch 200 mph boats go 90 why dont they shut down a couple miles of the lake and have it as a"run wide open "spot i think it would take away the urge to hammer down at random and unsafe times

First pslonaker your an idiot and continually prove it!

Second, sorry y'all if you look at the history if a poker run IT IS NOT A RACE!! It is meant to support some sort of charitable effort and benefit someone or some organization in need. If all you big money bastar$s don't realize that than I'm sorry for ya!!

I do poker runs to benefit someone in need not line some persons pockets or turn into race.

If you think your boat is oh so "bada$s" then pony up and join sbi or opa! Help support the cause where speed matters. Damn some of you are Fing annoying!!

Chris.......I'm guessing no one knows anything more, or they don't want to share. :D :D

You forgot one little important part. Intelligent people know when NOT to race.

You're not going to take your jogging race across an active highway. You're not going to take your stop light race in to the upcomming traffic, and your not going to take your lake race through a pack of family's tubing in a bay.

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Support the cause on OSO! Bring back the original Desert Storm.

http://i.imgur.com/vtGB7AD.jpg

If they let the news out(if true) the registrations(and hotel bookings etc) will dry up in a minute. Havasu has always been the Wild West. Last year aside(luck) this was always a 6 minute drag race that went national because of the atmosphere.

Amen

Based on the conversations I have had, not much is changing. However adhering to existing rules (not passing pace boat until released and the speed limit on the one section of lake) will be required and monitored and if in violation driver and boat owner will be disqualified and not allowed to participant in DS in the future. I think they are going to enforce those rules more this year then in past years.

So?????

brilliant reply..... i'm sure your insurance company loved it ----- or, should i say your ex-insurer!!!!! LOL.

If only IQ tests determined common sense and ego levels.......................

tickfaw 200 is one of these... every boat leaving form the same stop at the same time would be ridiculously crowded even if we were all separated in groups.

You guys that like to "race" . You all need to Grow a set and actually race. Us racers or x racers know and we are not Challenged by anothers manhood. So go race asswholes and get some of it outa your system.

However, the occasional 30 seconds to see who is faster is ok :D

The only thing that needs to change at desert storm.. See pic. Can anyone tell what it is?

...and if only IQ, common sense and reasonable ego levels were required to post on OSO, we would all be better off! :eureka:

Yes-poor or non-existent crowd control.You would think that the sheriffs dept or coast guard auxiliary would help out but they are no where to be found on the day of the poker run.

Not true.If you look at the schedule on Lake Racers website, you will see there is no group 1 and all boats will parade thru the channel then be released to any of the 5 card stops that will be open. :food-smiley-007::
There is no pace boats.

Still groups, unless I did not read the right document.

10:00 AM London Bridge Channel parade starts with Group 1
10:45 AM - 2:30 PM Morning card stations open
Havasu Springs Station #1 (Wozencraft Ins.)
Havasu Landing Station #2 (Nordic Boats.)
Thompson Bay Station #3 (HotBoat.com)
Black Meadow Landing Station #4 (Barrett Custom Marine)
Crazy Horse Station #5 (Krusin 4 Kids)

1:00 PM - 2:30 PM - Photo Station (Near Havasu Landing Sponsored by Pirate Cove Resort) – Unlike other events, you helicopter photo is included in your package, BUT, you must visit the photo station and line up for helicopter photos. Boats are released one at a time, and you’ll get 2 to 3 great photos! Suggestion – maximum 60 MPH!

That was the first thing that came to my mind from a few years back. IIRC was treating a PR like a sanctioned race on a closed course

Not what I read for this year, can you post link where you did read this?

I believe Skater40 (Gary) is right. Spoke to him on the phone this morning and said no groups.

http://www.lakeracerllc.com/info/DSInformation.pdf


The speed restricted areas are listed on page 5 of:
http://www.lakeracerllc.com/info/DS2014EventInfo.pdf

USMC2010 posted the links.

I get so tired of these untrue comments. But I guess it keeps naive people scared of their insurance companies.

All I know is that I'll bet that there is no organized start, I I'm wrong, I'll happily buy the 1st round! :)

I was there last year right in front of the accident last year. There were multiple crowd control boats working hard. Most people were listening to them, however there were multiple people not abiding. It was crazy. The boats were civilian boats with some kind of flag. Herding cats would have been easier. There are just a lot of people who are there for the party and don't respect what they are asking the crowd to do. In my opinion,a driver better not count on an open course.

So you're saying the idiots run the asylum ?

Reading that reminded me of the time I got hit by a car and had a fib fx. When the doc was putting the cast on I asked how long. He said 6 weeks. I told him I had a race coming up and he had 3 weeks. He just laughed at me. 3 weeks later I cut the cast off in the garage, Ran and won a 150 mile ATV desert race.

Monday I went back to the doctors and he said "where's the cast?" I replied "I told you , you had 3 weeks., I did a desert race yesterday, its ok I won, you have another 3 weeks."

He then put this big Velcro full leg brace on me, because he was afraid of me gashing myself when I cut the cast off again.

Reminds of getting all my wisdom teeth pulled the night before the IKF sprint kart Nationals in Lubbock Tx, Dentist was up on the chair trying to get them out in Houston. I turned down the pain pills drove 530 miles to Lubbock raced for three days, ended up second. They kept trying to make me pull out because my mouth was bleeding after each heat.

Sounds like my waiting room.

yes that and not enough rafting up going on. Like Loto!! :D

The water Natzi's are busy writing tickets for obstruction of view. (Hotties on the forward deck) and Making sure you use only 1 engine in the channel. etc. :)

Exactly.

No, I just meant no OFFICIAL drop the flag and go start

i understand your frustration with my comments. i assure you, if you know me, you know i am by no means a tree hugger, sh!t starter etc...

it keeps me on edge in regard to who i'm running with that does not have the proper insurance, or has been denied for aforementioned reasons. i am not against running 150 MPH, and have done it in my skater, both with and without JT.

i am just saying there is a time and place for everything....... and, the "time" is when everything you can control is in place (in this world of so many uncontrollable and unforeseen things that we choose to be a part) ---- i just don't want "someone else" making the choices for us, and hope it doesn't happen... and i also don't want someone to be at the effect of an under insured (second tier insurance program/company -- we all know who they are), or not insured (self-insured) boater --- have seen too many people and people's families devastated by such. that's all.

not judging or suggesting...... rather stating one of the reasons i've chosen to back off.

PS: don't think this conversation even relates to you unless you're one of the spectators sitting on the side in your baja ------------------ sorry. just couldn't resist! all in good fun.

My comments was not about what was said about running fast or competitve drving, it was about the people that actually belive actuaries and underwriters of insurance companies lurk the forums for information.