Desert Storm changes..
 

Heard that the poker run scene is having some big changes this year for the Friday run... changes that we might not favor too much?!?! I'm speculating that it might be speed limiting? Anyone else know more and would like to share.

Hmm... can't imagine why...

One damn stupid accident and we are forced to OVER REACT!! Just like everything else!!

How about as part of the entry forms and fees, the DRIVER and Crews MUST take an IQ test, pass you run, fail you watch. Pretty simple to me.......

I think getting all drivers to follow what is said at the drivers meeting is a good start.

start with teaching the cat owners not to positive trim your boat

I attended 2 events late last year and they established a speed limit at the drivers meeting, tough to enforce but one was communicated. I speculate due to liability insurance elements for the promoter.

I have seen so many comments on overtrimming causing the accidents. IMHO that was not the cause of the desert storm accident. Not all cats run like Skaters, neutral trim. Every DCB I have been in requires some positive trim, including mine. That said, after 100/110 MPH and under acceleration way overtrimming would simply cause the prop to blowout and likely throw a propeller blade. We will likely never know all the facts on these accidents, can only draw conclusions from video. Bottom line, drive safe, look far ahead, plan/hold your line even if that means you cannot charge to the front and most importantly always be planning for a defensive move required by circumstances outside your control. That is how you avoid future incidents. Adrenaline and ego need to be kept in check. Easier said then enforced however....

paul,its statements like this that cause people to pick on you,you do not own a cat nor do you have experiance driving one and not all cats require the same trim angles.do you really think trim angle causes accidents in cats?

Cats like to pack air, not water.

I don't think it is an over reaction to "one incident" as it is a preventative measure to prevent further accidents.

I think that if it was rough open ocean, none of these boats would be doing these crazy speeds and the blow over problem would be solved. How many blow overs have you seen on open ocean poker runs vs inland?

Some of the statements on this site lately have been deplorable; including this thread.



I agree 1000% with low_psi.

It's not "one damn stupid accident" as mentioned above.

There have been dozens; some with horseshoe-up-their-ass-lucky results...
...and some with grave consequences.

God forbid someone takes the initiative to start policing ourselves. I've been to the Desert Storm Poker Run, and it could use some safety implementations.

God forbid someone takes the initiative to start policing ourselves. I've been to the Desert Storm Poker Run, and it could use some safety implementations.[/QUOTE]

I agree! Desert Storm the realities are a lot of very fast boats on a relatively small , narrow, lake... Then add non participant boats whom may, or may not, know an event is taking place, just too busy for me....

We would love to attend Desert Storm but frankly the event is too busy for us on such a small venue like Havasu. My wife and I prefer a more casual, easy going atmosphere so we are passing on Desert Storm, will wait for Monster Bash which has far fewer participant and non participant boats on the water....

Hmmmmmmm............seems like some posts are missing. LOL Make note......do not discuss important issues about performance boating on a performance boating discussion board. What a joke. :lolhit::lolhit::party-smiley-004:

No dog in this fight, but this one was on the ocean.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lman-dead.html

That was an actual race.......not a Poker Run Race.

Brian and low psi,

I make my living from this industry which WE all love and I couldn't agree more!

Mike...you do not have a clue as to what I use to own or what I have been in or driven so why dont you take your "KNOW-IT-ALL GOSPEL ATTITUDE" with my life and stick it somewhere. The real fact is, is that YOU dont know squat about me, so you fabricate crap...a semi polite way of saying that you LIE...to make yourself look like you are in the know, when so many people here can figure it out themselves that you dont know anuthing about me. You are nothing more than a trouble maker for so many and you blurt out crap like you know everything about me or someone else, when in FACT...you know nothing. Now if you think the trim angle doesnt effect a cat as to how high the nose is, then perhaps you should go back to school. It is a simple FACT...pack too much air under a cat and it becomes an airplane that almost always comes back down as a crash.

Now we can play nice-nice or not...it's your decision, but the powers that be here have seen that I do not provide stupid comments at you like you do to so many others besides me...something that you might want to keep in mind. If I agree with something that you say...I might say so, but if I dont, I have come to ignor you and your comment.

I dont know about the rest of you guys, but every poker run I have been involved in has turned into a race...regardless of what the rules are suppose to be. I dont have a Mac 1 boat so I dont worry about it too much...I just try to stay out of everyone elses way as I dont care if I am first or last.

It's getting harder and harder to get runs insured. Boat wreck, fights, slip and falls etc. Boat wrecks are typically carelessness ,lack of brain and SPEED , fights testosterone and drinking, slip and falls some dirt bag sue happy person. All this adds up when calms are made. It goes up so hand price goes and and rules are made. It's a headache.

Slow down, leave your ego at your house and don't come looking for free money. It will be the end of poker runs.

The sad thing is- there are way more serious incidents with every day run about boats going no more than 30 mph... It's just we get this target on our backs and its cause of what, speed!

Nonty....going to report you for being sarcastic. Big topics and sarcasm here are a no no :) Hi Buddy!!!!!!

Perhaps that's because there's a shatload more runabouts on the water? :whistle:

Ya thanks I get that, that's my point tho, I'd probably rather be 180 in a boat with JT, then in a wakeboard boat with a newbie idiot at 30

If we could just get JT to drive all these poker run boats... :)

I personally think you guys are lucky the event can still go on. You can't even mention poker run on Lake Texoma.

really? is texoma one of "those lakes"? I haven't been to texoma since I was little so just asking.

Tushay, I get it

If your post was serious and you really didn't know here is the history.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...-accident.html

A poker run is not a race

Oki Doki. :D

JT has done some stupid (risky) moves on the water during poker runs too........just sayin. :D :D

What I do know about Cats (Love those big Skaters) is that I can't afford 1/10th of the one I would love to own. What I have learned here on OSO is how incredibly fast they are and the danger/respect/responsibly that comes with that power and speed. Looking forward to a safe 2014 power boating season for all. Have fun, stay safe.

Maybe Peter will take pity and donate one for each of us...even if it has a boo-boo on it.

If the Poker Runs ran a slow as this website, we would all be safe....

If you see me out jogging and come up beside me, I'm going to try to outrun you. If I'm in my car at a stoplight and you pull up beside me, I'm going to race you. If we are running side by side down the lake….well, I'm going to race you.

Wake up people, we love to race, run fast and all the rest is just blah blah blah.

Hell, even the sailboaters love to race. Sometimes they bump into each other. Sometimes they fall in the water.

If you don't like to race, like a little "danger" then don't go to poker runs, buy a cruiser and sit on the sideline and watch the rest of us haul ass.

Thanks for posting [the problem] on OSO. :D :D

When I was president of a Power Boat club a few years ago. Pre 150MPH poker run boats ect..ect..the conversation with our insurance agent and attorney was always about the guy with his family just enjoying the water. Not the guys who attended the safety meeting, and own boats more than the average guys house. It is very sad the loss of life from the participants over the last 5 years. But the big picture is the non participants safety.

Hey Ortho.........You're right. As long as an innocent bystander doesn't get hurt if things go wrong then I agree with what you said. When it comes to the big speed high horsepower stuff, you gotta use some common sense or you can take out some people that don't deserve to go. That's all.

Sorry had forgotten bout the texoma incident that was a bad deal and no disrespect intended. On the other hand boating is like any other recreational activity it has risks and those that do it should and most do know those risks. That being said if you over police the poker runs etc. Then you have nobody wanting to participate or show up because the reason they go is to open them up. If they can't they go somewhere else so then you do economic damage to the area etc. Fact is plain and simple that things happen when you crank the speed up sometimes it happens even faster all you can do is try your best to control your situation and hope everyone else can too.