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Orthobam 02-23-2014 12:13 PM

Best Resale Powerboat
 
Opinions on what model boat holds it's value the best.

Something in the 2003-2008 range. Cigarette, Outerlimits, Fountain, Apache, Donzi, Baja, or comparable. Brand doesn't matter except for the ability to get rid of it.

38 feet and longer

Example, buy a 38 Cig Top Gun with 525s, run it for a year, then sell it for a loss.

Questions:
1) How big of a loss. $10,000?, $20,000?, more?
2) How long does it take to sell it? It seems like some of these boats have been for sale for years. I realize question 2 is directly tied to question 1….how big of a loss are you willing to take?

low_psi 02-23-2014 12:25 PM

On the lower end of the price scale, I have noticed Baja seem to really hold their value. I believe it is a name recognition thing..... I recently sold my 2003 Velociy 260 for well under what older equally powered Baja 24 & 25 Outlaws sell for..... Even though there is no comparison in build quality..... Formula seem to hold well as well, rightfully so.

Jupiter Sunsation 02-23-2014 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 4079373)
Opinions on what model boat holds it's value the best.

Something in the 2003-2008 range. Cigarette, Outerlimits, Fountain, Apache, Donzi, Baja, or comparable. Brand doesn't matter except for the ability to get rid of it.

38 feet and longer

Example, buy a 38 Cig Top Gun with 525s, run it for a year, then sell it for a loss.

Questions:
1) How big of a loss. $10,000?, $20,000?, more?
2) How long does it take to sell it? It seems like some of these boats have been for sale for years. I realize question 2 is directly tied to question 1….how big of a loss are you willing to take?

A few considerations:
1. Customryder or Scott Shogren would be the only two on OSO that has multiple experiences with this but I really believe your equation begins with the buy price, not the sale price.
2. Too many variables for "best brand, best resale"......where (salt vs. fresh, FL or Idaho), when (dec. or june sale), etc. Then lets say 525 boat has header issue, milkshakes a motor, that is going to hurt the equation.
3. Many brands you mentioned are out of business, can't see that picture getting brighter in reference to resale values.

My opinion, buy a nice clean boat (Powerquest 380 for example) for a steal and when you are ready to sell it.....you don't lose much if you are into the boat for 40-50K.

Orthobam 02-23-2014 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4079379)
A few considerations:
1. Customryder or Scott Shogren would be the only two on OSO that has multiple experiences with this but I really believe your equation begins with the buy price, not the sale price.
2. Too many variables for "best brand, best resale"......where (salt vs. fresh, FL or Idaho), when (dec. or june sale), etc.
3. Many brands you mentioned are out of business, can't see that picture getting brighter in reference to resale values.

My opinion, buy a nice clean boat (Powerquest 380 for example) for a steal and when you are ready to sell it.....you don't lose much if you are into the boat for 40-50K.

I would buy in the late summer or fall and sell in the spring. I wouldn't have a problem buying it anywhere east of Kansas, it would be sold in Florida. The boat has to be able to handle KW and Miami Boat Show poker runs. It's going to cost $7,000 round trip transportation plus a $5,000 road cover to get my Skater to and from Florida next year. That's $12,000 I could afford to lose on a boat that I could buy right and sell down there.

We still hope to take the Skater but I thinking of some backup plans.

I hope to gain some insight into different brands I know nothing about (like Powerquest) from the discussion. Thanks

Jupiter Sunsation 02-23-2014 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 4079384)
I would buy in the late summer or fall and sell in the spring. I wouldn't have a problem buying it anywhere east of Kansas, it would be sold in Florida. The boat has to be able to handle KW and Miami Boat Show poker runs. It's going to cost $7,000 round trip transportation plus a $5,000 road cover to get my Skater to and from Florida next year. That's $12,000 I could afford to lose on a boat that I could buy right and sell down there.

We still hope to take the Skater but I thinking of some backup plans.

I hope to gain some insight into different brands I know nothing about (like Powerquest) from the discussion. Thanks

I would buy at your home lake/area and sort the boat out.....when it is running good then ship it to Florida, use it and list it after the first poker run (the runs are only 3 months apart). That 42 Sonic just listed for 26K could be a winner if you could buy it sub-20K and you had access to some cheap motors to stick in it and maybe re-shoot the purple/update it a little.

CraneHillFast 02-23-2014 01:39 PM

Hands Down........... Bayliner :party-smiley-004:

davidmercury 02-23-2014 01:44 PM

Just wondering how you come up with 12k to and from florida? Does that include a concierge transport service?

Orthobam 02-23-2014 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by da*****rcury (Post 4079407)
Just wondering how you come up with 12k to and from florida?

$3500 each way = $7000
Road travel cover = $5000 (or another way to look at is $5,000 paint refresh from road grime)


http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o54686-en.html

This one is interesting but the whole Dirty Duck theme is not for me. That would have to be creatively covered up.

CraneHillFast 02-23-2014 01:48 PM

In all seriousness I would say the boats that hold their value the best are the names that can roll off the tongues of the inexperienced even though the build quality isn't the same as some lesser known names.

Cigarette
Baja
Donzi
Forumula
Fountain

If I had to pick one, I would say Formula because the build quality / fit and finish. Not to mention they are still in business. They also build a boat for just about anyone. Bowrider, Performance, cruiser etc

mptrimshop 02-23-2014 02:16 PM

Just shrink wrap your boat before trailering it.....WAY cheaper!!

COOPS 02-23-2014 02:50 PM

Here is one that could be had for less than the asking price.... Hell of a poker run boat.

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/boa/4312908856.html

Cash Bar 02-23-2014 02:56 PM

Buy the 600s gun that usedboatsdirect has for sale. $99k at the run this weekend on a trailer. Use it for a season, and maintain it, you can probably get $90ish again.

Any TS Gun bought under $100k in good condition will be re-sellable.

36Tango 02-23-2014 03:14 PM

Whatever you would buy you will have wished that you just brought your Skater down. It is an awesome boat, you know it, it is in perfect shape, and Native could freshen before coming back up to LOTO. One of Randy Kent's travel covers would go a long way in protecting the boat. Why hassle with another boat, 2 more engines, drives, maintenance, etc., etc.?

Now if you are looking for an excuse to buy something different, that is another story! As somebody else said, losing your ass is more about how you buy then how you sell.

314joey 02-23-2014 03:45 PM

I might know someone who has 353 Formula that might be trading/selling it for a CC before next winter season......................lol

But a 353 isn't a 85-90mph TS TG though.

NKissau 02-23-2014 03:53 PM

I own a 38 powerquest and I would never consider taking it to Florida for either of those runs. The boat does the job but coming from your skater you will be horribly disappointed. It takes all I got to run with nor-tech cc's. But I'm more worried about overnighting and decent rough water handling than top speed. With that being said, I'd give up the amenities in a minute for a skater.

Orthobam 02-23-2014 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Cash Bar (Post 4079440)
Buy the 600s gun that usedboatsdirect has for sale. $99k at the run this weekend on a trailer. Use it for a season, and maintain it, you can probably get $90ish again.

Any TS Gun bought under $100k in good condition will be re-sellable.

This is what I was thinking.


Originally Posted by 36Tango (Post 4079448)

Now if you are looking for an excuse to buy something different, that is another story! As somebody else said, losing your ass is more about how you buy then how you sell.

Well sort of :). I love doing deals and this is just another excuse. The Skater is a very expensive day boat.


Originally Posted by 314joey (Post 4079458)
I might know someone who has 353 Formula that might be trading/selling it for a CC before next winter season......................lol

But a 353 isn't a 85-90mph TS TG though.

I am very interested. I don't care about top speed. Just something that rides good, looks good, and sounds good. I know yours is immaculate.

Unlimited jd 02-23-2014 04:52 PM

I don't know if they actually sell, but Baja's seem to have ridiculous prices when you compare them to other better built boats.

Jupiter Sunsation 02-23-2014 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Cash Bar (Post 4079440)
Buy the 600s gun that usedboatsdirect has for sale. $99k at the run this weekend on a trailer. Use it for a season, and maintain it, you can probably get $90ish again.

Any TS Gun bought under $100k in good condition will be re-sellable.


Yeah but at 100K the sales tax alone (6% FL) will eat up 1/2 of his budget and that TS TG at boats direct has been for sale for 2+ years so that doesn't = easy resale.

Orthobam 02-23-2014 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4079505)
Yeah but at 100K the sales tax alone (6% FL) will eat up 1/2 of his budget and that TS TG at boats direct has been for sale for 2+ years so that doesn't = easy resale.

Maybe they are ready to deal then:evilb:

KCHOTBOAT 02-23-2014 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by low_psi (Post 4079375)
On the lower end of the price scale, I have noticed Baja seem to really hold their value. I believe it is a name recognition thing..... I recently sold my 2003 Velociy 260 for well under what older equally powered Baja 24 & 25 Outlaws sell for..... Even though there is no comparison in build quality..... Formula seem to hold well as well, rightfully so.

Did any of the Baja's sell? Back in the day most of them were over financed. Baja and many others did very little down to buy a boat.

27daytona 02-23-2014 08:12 PM

Ortho, Take a look at my Jaguar. Stable cat that might fit your needs and cheap! Doug

236eagle 02-23-2014 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 4079473)
This is what I was thinking.



Well sort of :). I love doing deals and this is just another excuse. The Skater is a very expensive day boat.



I am very interested. I don't care about top speed. Just something that rides good, looks good, and sounds good. I know yours is immaculate.

And doesn't spill your drink!

Griff 02-24-2014 01:28 AM

Unless you find a killer deal on a nice boat, I think you are better off shipping your boat back and forth.

Having a custom cover made is pricey, but you will always have it for future trips should want to travel more/elsewhere.

If you bought a nice TS TG for a 100k.
You would most likely need to have it shipped to you for 2k?? then to Florida??? for 3k???
You would need to pay the MO tax and USCG doc fees for 2k???
Survey??? 1k??? Travel to look at it??? 1k???
You would need to broker it in Florida 7-10K????
Storage??? What if it doesn't re-sell???

Bottom line is you would need to buy it very right and would still probably take a 10k loss.

Pro1 02-24-2014 07:55 AM

Nothing can come close to resale value of a 28 Skater.

SS930 02-24-2014 09:02 AM

BAM,

I have a really nice 37 OL that I will likely be listing within a couple of months. Staggered, dry sump 6's, it will have zero hour 540ci 675-700's (which will be ready for blowers if you wanted to add them), Stellings, 380 tabs, throws a huge rooster tail, great cockpit (white), real nice full cabin, sweet HD Myco, etc. The boat is built like a rock, should run around 100mph, and ought to be nearly bullet proof. It has been run in fresh water and stored in a heated garage most of its life and it shows. This boat will out run the bravo-butt TG's for similar $, and likely just about everything else out there in this price/size range. If 100 mph isn't fast enough for you, add blowers and it will run well over 100 without fear of popping drives. I don't think you'll find another staggered, dry sump 6 boat with fresh power,a nice cockpit/cabin sitting on a Myco at anywhere near my price, and since it's already basically depreciated, I'm sure you'll get your money back when you go to resell.

If you're seriously interested, let me know as I will be surprised if it's not sold before it ever gets listed (several guys are already interested in it). You will not find more boat for the $. The engines are getting ready to go together and it should be ready to rock for spring.

Orthobam 02-24-2014 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4079668)
Unless you find a killer deal on a nice boat, I think you are better off shipping your boat back and forth.

Having a custom cover made is pricey, but you will always have it for future trips should want to travel more/elsewhere.

If you bought a nice TS TG for a 100k.
You would most likely need to have it shipped to you for 2k?? then to Florida??? for 3k???
You would need to pay the MO tax and USCG doc fees for 2k???
Survey??? 1k??? Travel to look at it??? 1k???
You would need to broker it in Florida 7-10K????
Storage??? What if it doesn't re-sell???

Bottom line is you would need to buy it very right and would still probably take a 10k loss.

Griff, don't be a buzz kill :)


Originally Posted by Pro1 (Post 4079734)
Nothing can come close to resale value of a 28 Skater.

Is that big enough for the Southeast Florida?


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 4079786)
BAM,

I have a really nice 37 OL that I will likely be listing within a couple of months. Staggered, dry sump 6's, it will have zero hour 540ci 675-700's (which will be ready for blowers if you wanted to add them), Stellings, 380 tabs, throws a huge rooster tail, great cockpit (white), real nice full cabin, sweet HD Myco, etc. The boat is built like a rock, should run around 100mph, and ought to be nearly bullet proof. It has been run in fresh water and stored in a heated garage most of its life and it shows. This boat will out run the bravo-butt TG's for similar $, and likely just about everything else out there in this price/size range. If 100 mph isn't fast enough for you, add blowers and it will run well over 100 without fear of popping drives. I don't think you'll find another staggered, dry sump 6 boat with fresh power,a nice cockpit/cabin sitting on a Myco at anywhere near my price, and since it's already basically depreciated, I'm sure you'll get your money back when you go to resell.

If you're seriously interested, let me know as I will be surprised if it's not sold before it ever gets listed (several guys are already interested in it). You will not find more boat for the $. The engines are getting ready to go together and it should be ready to rock for spring.

PM Sent.

314joey 02-24-2014 09:16 AM

I think I can you into this fairy cheap, has a trailer, it's registered in Florida already.............let me know what you think................lol

lucky strike 02-24-2014 09:38 AM

Buy my 30k boat and enjoy it in FL.
How much can u loose?

One of your engines probably cost more.

SummerObsession 02-24-2014 09:46 AM

Unless you can find some sort of rediculously cheap deal on a repo center console or something I would agree with just hauling the Skater. Miles of wide open water with no speed limit will have you wishing you were in your boat! Let's get a deal together to haul BOTH boats down there and save some money on the freight!
I already have a line on a storage facility from November through March.
Now, if you are looking for something to use and abuse while you are there to learn the waters, that's different, maybe we could partner on a boat like that.

Baja_342 02-24-2014 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by mptrimshop (Post 4079420)
Just shrink wrap your boat before trailering it.....WAY cheaper!!

+1

Shop all those household brand names. How much you make or lose on the sale depends on whether or not you get a good deal to start with. Pay some attention to geography. I wouldn't buy a west coast style boat and attempt to sell it east of the Mississippi.

Last three boats I've owned were twin engine Bajas, 29, 30 and 34. All sold within 2 months. Made a profit on 2 of 3. Well, after storage and running expenses, I wouldn't call it a profit. But I technically sold them for more than what I paid.

IMHO I wouldn't be looking at a 38' for a quick flip. Smaller boats are easier to move these days.

314joey 02-24-2014 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Baja_342 (Post 4079806)

IMHO I wouldn't be looking at a 38' for a quick flip. Smaller boats are easier to move these days.


When I worked we used to call that "the pyramid of affordability" more people can afford a $50K boat than a $100K boat.

Cash Bar 02-24-2014 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4079505)
Yeah but at 100K the sales tax alone (6% FL) will eat up 1/2 of his budget and that TS TG at boats direct has been for sale for 2+ years so that doesn't = easy resale.

It was behind Mark & Eileens house in Key largo on the lift. I'm not sure it was really 'for sale" in the usual way. It is clean for sure. Also, the old price was with no trailer.

hogie roll 02-24-2014 01:46 PM

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o55883-en.html

Strong cult with these.

Orthobam 02-24-2014 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by SummerObsession (Post 4079804)
Unless you can find some sort of rediculously cheap deal on a repo center console or something I would agree with just hauling the Skater. Miles of wide open water with no speed limit will have you wishing you were in your boat! Let's get a deal together to haul BOTH boats down there and save some money on the freight!
I already have a line on a storage facility from November through March.
Now, if you are looking for something to use and abuse while you are there to learn the waters, that's different, maybe we could partner on a boat like that.

The Skater is going next year no matter what. I have 2 bucket list items I knocking off (KW and Miami Boat Show run). I'm thinking long term about a less expensive, more "I don't care" type of boat I / we could trade every couple of years.

Comanche3Six 02-24-2014 03:37 PM

Hey Ortho, Taking a guess here.........If it's equipped with Mercury Racing power and drives (insert high end powerboat here) it will have better resale value. Power and drives are a big $ part of the game. There are members on the board that change powerboats quite often.....they would know best, of course.

flight club 02-24-2014 03:38 PM

you will not lose a dime on any boat if you buy it right.

Orthobam 02-24-2014 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by flight club (Post 4079960)
you will not lose a dime on any boat if you buy it right.

I hope to learn from the master some day. :) Gotta start small Sensei.

Jupiter Sunsation 02-24-2014 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by korvetkeith (Post 4079910)


except that one.....salt water submarined then stripped/repo'd and patched back together. When it was 4 years old it had 400 hour 525's, brand new XRs (theft replacement), cold a/c and genny with a flat screen on the wall and it sold for 150K.....The best thing about this boat now is the power!

Orthobam 02-24-2014 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4079985)
except that one.....salt water submarined then stripped/repo'd and patched back together. When it was 4 years old it had 400 hour 525's, brand new XRs (theft replacement), cold a/c and genny with a flat screen on the wall and it sold for 150K.....The best thing about this boat now is the power!

lol. I guess we'll check that one off the list.

Kinda like a red 36 skater at Texas repos.

hogie roll 02-24-2014 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4079985)
except that one.....salt water submarined then stripped/repo'd and patched back together. When it was 4 years old it had 400 hour 525's, brand new XRs (theft replacement), cold a/c and genny with a flat screen on the wall and it sold for 150K.....The best thing about this boat now is the power!

That sucks, its a rare boat.


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