Is your beck bonded or screwed together?
 

With a de post/threads I have recently seen I figured it might not be a bad idea for everyone to list there boat is bonded or not. If ya don't know keep an eye out on here ask.

2000 Donzi 28zx... Unsure

i believe all the fountains are bonded,i know mine is.

Bonded and bolted every 6" with stainless machine screws and lock nuts.

I think mine is both. The screws in the pic also hold the SS rub-rail on.

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bulletproof!

My beck (lol) is bonded !

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Damn it can't edit title!!! Auto correct and fat fingers!!

doesn't look bonded to me.

The SCARAB is bonded and I believe the Daytona is also.

Plexus and bolts

That's not bonded. My Classic was screwed only as well.

Every Progression Kevin sends out the door has been fully bonded. Mine's 22 years old and still solid as hell. The only fasteners you'll see on the inside at the hull / deck joint are the Nylock nuts from the bolts that hold the rub rail on.

Mine is. I had to repair the anchor locker floor because some JACKASS told me he knew how to remount it when he pulled the anchor up but he did not.

Only the best on my baby!
 

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on Fountains the hull-to-deck joint is glued, thru bolted, and finally fiberglassed so it's strong, I know mine is..

I am surprised at how many boat builders (so called high end builders) just bond and screw the rub rail on and call it good..

Well that sucks. It has held up to running on the Great Lakes for about 7 years. I've never had to tighten a screw. Should I be concerned about this? This little boat goes offshore.

bonded,, Donzi deck looks to be shot out of a chopper gun.

My deck is bonded/glassed the rest of the boat had sheet rock screws and glue, but the deck was bonded!

One of the reasons I bought a Fountain.

Yep. This is a 22' Classic with 525 that runs 80s. The hull is solid glass and is 1/2" thick on the upper sides. The deck is balsa cored chopper gunned on the bottom. It looks pretty thick at the seam where the screws are. Does this look like cheap construction?

My PowerQuest is.

The question should be is your deck glassed? Most are bonded (glue or adhesive ) with various forms of fasteners

My Fountain is bonded/glassed together. My Formula was glued and screwed. It rattled the deck joint so bad, it started shearing off the rubrail screws. I'd find loose rubrail screws, and try to tighten, but just spun. Backed them out, Oh, they sheared off. Nice. Ended up replacing ALL the rubrail screws with the next larger size, injected some plexus like adhesive in the joint, and rescrewed. Typical bayliner ****t. Probably not an issue if you stay out of big water.

now now,lets not bad rap those bayliners,i am the current high bidder on one of those fine ships.

My Wellcraft is glued with 5200 and it has screws through a strip of wood that only attaches the rub rail, Luckily it tops out at 55 lol

nope, not saying its cheap construction.
always thought Donzi was 100% hand laid,just surprised to see chopped glass thats all.

My 1976 magnum 27' sport (deck/ hull joint) was only glassed in one compartment (foward of the cabin) the rest of this shoe box seam was
merely caulked and screwed together at the rub-rail...Although it took me awhile, I glassed the entire deck to hull with epoxy resin and 17 oz.
double bias cloth (kyntex)..............We all know too well what can happen if you stuff the nose!!!

The 92 Team Warlock I own is bolted and not glassed. Someone here stated they weren't bonded either back then. Rub rail is off and I can't find any signs of glue seeping out anywhere.. Since it's tore down to a bare hull, I've considered popping it to make the whole rebuild go much quicker. Then using epoxy and glass when it goes back together.

The 96 Ultimate Warlock I have is matted together with no bolts used. So guessing they switched practice when Ultimate came on board.

I don't think that's chopped glass, its glass mat. that would be defined as hand laid.

yes, its a poorly built piece of crap, you really should unload it to me cheap! :lolhit:

Bonded and glassed, I was surprised to see that it was glassed when I tore the boat apart this winter.

I'm not familiar with what chopper gun work looks like but I thought that the glass strands in my pic looked pretty long to be shot out of a gun. It might well be glass mat and it seems ok that it's used in this location. "Sell it cheap"! lol. You'd think I'm nuts if I told you I had nearly a hundred big ones into my 22' boat!

Bonded, I believe.
Must work never had an issue!

http://www.assemblymag.com/articles/...t-deck-to-hull

I have a question, would thru bolting after its epoxied and glassed help or hurt? I wonder if it could actually weaken the structure due to the holes?

I just read that link and it supported my question about throu bolting but it also seems like they are twisting the term "bonded" . They are using a "fibreglass fusion" bonding product which is just a different form of adhesive. Frankly without structural testing reports one could argue that its the same process as bayline or my wellcraft.
Seems to me that the best are bonded using high strength adhesives then glassed to make the top and bottom "one piece"
But then again this is teh first technical conversation that I have actually been able to participate in because this is simple stuff. That should show you the value of my opinion lol

One last question to the OP, Whats a beck?

Get in line, I have dibs on it right Carl?

That would be the forward top on fountains I believe:lolhit:

always loved the lines of those donzi 22's. I believe ive seen your boat and its definitely top notch.

Interesting thread fed sure. A buddy has a Bayliner cruiser and has zero issues that many here complain about. Maybe you guys should rethink Bayliners? :)

Spent 1 winter going over every inch on my Baja cruiser. It had silicone as the deck/hull sealer. Appeared to have been put on the hull, then had the deck lowered down over the hull, as a lot of the silicone was scraped off during the fitting. I removed every fastener along the joint and cleaned out all the silicone, filled it with 5200 and refastened. It was odd in that it was screwed approx every 2' with screws, but then it was thru bolted every 6", complete with washers and nylocks. I figured the screws were for quick assembly, then finished off with the bolts.

Now a tid bit that I see all the time when using screws to fasten 2 items together such as this deck/hull topic. Everyone just drills thru both parts with the same size drill, then screw it. You gotta drill the deck with a clearance sized bit so screw head will pull the deck tight to the hull. Otherwise you have the threads on the hull and deck fighting each other, usually resulting in a tight screw, but a gap between the hull/deck. Something has to give to pull that tight. Not how the screwed/bolted process works.The spots on my Baja that were screwed were not pulled in tight cause of this shortcut. At a couple spots, a good 3/16-1/4" gap. Redrilled the deck and it pulled in tight!! The boat is 100x more solid and rattle free after I redid the joint. I'm going to run against the Skater/Apache run, but be making mixed drinks while doing so. :D


No idea how the Fountain is. Gotta tear it apart, scrape out all the rotten wood and look, Beings its a 32 and sits so low and is known to sink all the time. ;)