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Originally Posted by SummerObsession (Post 4132609)

Not even close. When Water Patrol has some sort of accident it's just very public. Here are the real reports from MHP on boating/ drowning reports: http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/WP03/SearchAction

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't read my text closely. I said statistically they are the most dangerous boaters at loto. Let's look at the math. There are about 450 incidents a year at loto ( this includes drownings that don't even include boats). Let's assume there is only 10,000 boats at loto ( there is more than that). This leaves us with an incident rate of .042 There is about 20 water patrol boats regularly at loto. They have about 5 major incidents a year ( this does not include all the damage to boats that they stop because the officer can not control his boat in the rough water) this leaves us with an accident rate of .25. They are 600% more likely to be in an incident than the average boater at loto.

I stand behind my statement that statistically they are the most dangerous boaters at loto.

Fist of all, there is +30K boats registered to LOTO, not counting those that visit... (contact Revenue and request a mailing list for advertising. you will get a list, for a fee) So you need to adjust those numbers.

Next, Where is the 5/yr? I know of 1/year for the last 5 years? And now compare the hours used per boat/driver?

I just think if you are going to use statistics, they should be more specific/correct

Sounds like you guys have the same type of water cops up in LOTO we have in Texas. Steel toe boats on your boat, bump your boat while docking, etc.......

I always tell them I wanted to be a cop when I was kid but I went to college and got a real job so I could afford my own boat and not one the gov't bought me........it really makes them sad. lol

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Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 4132661)

I Respectfully disagree.... It has EVERYTHING to do with what put the kid in the position in the first place. His decisions put him in that position.

The WP is on the lake for protection of everyone that is not operating in an unsafe manor. The kid jumped by the accounts of the witnesses, he too made that decision. Ramnifications are learned ALWAYS after the fact, rarely are they learned ahead of time.

Yes... The WP officer had him in custody, He placed cuffs on him to protect himself from being accosted by the arrest'y (SOP) He placed a PFD on him, and was driving the boat to unload and book him. The WP Boat was NOT in an accident, Didn't throw him overboard (according to witnesses) nor were there any actions by the WP officer to make the kid get up and jump off by any of the accounts that have been witnessed. I Just don't see where the WP didn't provide prudence in his duties? The kid made the decision and acted on it... He is responsible for his own actions...

Again I ask: What if the kid caused a larger accident, killed a bunch of people (maybe even one of your own friends/family) Would you be *****ing about the WP not having caught him if he had witnessed something, possible as trivial as beer can overboard? I am guessing they would still be on the chopping block...

What if the water patrol never pulled him over, they didn't cause an accident, and nobody was hurt or killed? Hindsight is 20/20. In the article I read they even say the water patrol has to take extra caution in boats because it is an open cockpit and the detainees can escape unlike a squad car. Truth is the water patrol arrested him and took full responsibility for him and his actions once he was detained. The water patrol should be roasted for this one.

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Originally Posted by CLA (Post 4132728)

You realize their are law enforcement officers on this site that purchased their own boats? Also, my son at one point wanted to enter law enforcement and was told he had to have a 4-year degree or they would not even consider him. It did not have to be a law enforcement degree. In fact, he was told to get a degree in something that he could fall back on in case the law enforecement job did not pan out.

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Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 4132742)

I relize that, my BIL is an air marshal. I just like to mess with them like they like to mess with me. All the problems this country has and we have a bunch of yahoo's running around on the lake busting upper middle class familys trying to have fun. I think our tax money could be better used. I'll get as mouthy with them as I like.

I keep reading posts that say the life jacket wasn't put on this kid correctly. Can you tell us how you know this to be true? If not then please don't confuse the facts with guesses. This is a sad story no matter what though.

We don't know with certainty what happened up to the drowning with the exception of one FACT.

The arresting officer did not put the life jacket or handcuffs on correctly. My guess is he slid the life jacket over his arms while cuffed. Hopefully they release the information stating if his cuffs were still on him when the body was recovered.

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Originally Posted by hanzcap (Post 4132751)

Because when your hands are locked together it is impossible for a life jacket to come off. So, either his cuffs came off or his arms weren't through the armholes. One of the two has to happen.

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Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 4132661)

I have handled hundreds of DUI cases in New Jersey, I completely disagree with your assumptions, that young man died, he was handcuffed, end of story. You are assuming he was impaired, you don't know that, nor was it proven, only alleged, his BAC could have been under the legal limit, but regardless the police are responsible for safe transport of the suspect-defendant.

I don't deal with what if's, I deal with what what happened, he is dead it was preventable, this is bullsh*t he is dead. The WP is responsible once he is in their custody.