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LSC Crash
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From reading the various stories out there, sounds like this guy was going too fast for the conditions. Add in that fact he was drinking and he lost control of his boat and killed two innocent people. And of course the reaction against the "cigarette boats" is in full effect...
Here is the boat that was hit - tore the upper deck right off the cruiser. http://i.imgur.com/LLZj5FK.jpg |
Updated story shows the Baja - it has twins, so it is at least a 29' (believe that is the smallest Baja with twins) not 25'.
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Prayers for the victims and their families. What a tragic waste.
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Man this sucks. I was out at the moot and gull yesterday and there were a lot of boats on the lake yesterday.
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Another pic, this one shows the Baja. You can clearly see it has twins, so it has to be a 29 or better.
http://i.imgur.com/Jkv4rvI.jpg |
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Sad, truly sad. It's amazing how a small number of idiots can mess up an image for all of us. I have no sympathy for somebody who drinks and runs any boat fast.
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Originally Posted by dockrocker
(Post 4165183)
Another pic, this one shows the Baja. You can clearly see it has twins, so it has to be a 29 or better.
http://i.imgur.com/Jkv4rvI.jpg |
Originally Posted by Baja_Bigdog
(Post 4165359)
It is clearly a 29 Outlaw......the only model with those side vents and a rounded windscreen.
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Not to be a complete moron but are you saying that baja tied to the police boat was involved, and that part resting on top of the cruiser is its upper half but jusst sheared off ?or is that another boat on top of cruiser(baja)
The detail is a lul fuzzy in my samsung,
Originally Posted by dockrocker
(Post 4165183)
Another pic, this one shows the Baja. You can clearly see it has twins, so it has to be a 29 or better.
http://i.imgur.com/Jkv4rvI.jpg |
paintman, I believe that is the case - from eyewitness accounts, the Baja was running 45-55 mph, hit a cruiser or freighter wake (details are fuzzy) and the driver lost control, launching off a wake and landing essentially on top of the cruiser. The flybridge of the cruiser boat was essentially smashed off the rest of the boat.
No one on the Baja was hurt, 2 on the cruiser are dead and 1 is in critical condition. From the Detroit News article: Algonac resident Alan Block, who is a local sailboat racer and senior reporter for Sailing Anarchy, was sailing in the southbound channel and was about 200 feet from the collision when it occurred. “I came to a stop because I knew something was going to happen,” Block said. “There were two large boats — perhaps 40 footers — headed southbound and they were leaving large wakes. One of the boats looked like a fishing vessel and the other was a cabin cruiser with an upper deck. A third boat, a 25-foot Baja, which is a very fast speed boat, was headed northbound in the shipping channel doing about 45 to 50 mph.” According to Block, the Baja failed to slow down for the large wakes caused by the bigger boats. “I watched as the speed boat tried to go around the two boats, moving toward the Canadian side,” Block said. “He hit the wake of the second boat, flew into the air and came down on the second wake. People on his boat were being thrown around and he lost control of the boat.” Block said he watched in disbelief as the Baja hit a third wake and was launched about 10 feet into the air. “It was completely clear of the water,” Block said. “It crashed into the top deck of the cabin cruiser and basically smashed through to the other side. It actually knocked off the upper deck, which collapsed onto the hull of the boat. I’ve lived and worked on the water my entire life, and I’ve never seen anything like this. “It was horrible.” |
Very sad! Sincere thoughts for all family & friends of passed or injured involved.
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i have a sea ray 350 da cruiser and a 38 fountain with big power so i know both sides to power boating.imo the driver of the baja should spend the rest of his life behind bars.the people in the cruiser and their family will be in my prayers.
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I concur!
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Sorry for the family of the deceased. Another related drinking while boating death. You booze on the water eventually someone will lose.
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Obviously someone in their proper state of mind would not put themselves or others in a situation where something like this could occur . More tragic deaths of the innocent and another huge black eye for us . Prayers for the departed .
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With all that damage to the cruiser how in the Hell did the Baja stay in one piece and still be floating? Also none of the pictures I have seen shows any damage to the cruiser just that it Scheared in half? This is unlike any other boat accident I've ever seen. Prayers sent to all family members.
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Originally Posted by JRider
(Post 4165363)
No, that is clearly a Cigarette
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Originally Posted by Too Stroked
(Post 4165204)
Sad, truly sad. It's amazing how a small number of idiots can mess up an image for all of us. I have no sympathy for somebody who drinks and runs any boat fast.
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Originally Posted by On Time
(Post 4165477)
I love to drive my boats. All three of them. They are all different and used for different purposes. I do not drink at all when boating and I always love to drive my boats. When I used to drink and boat all I wanted to do was go too fast and listen to loud music and I would generally end up scaring the others. It changed what being in the boat was all about. From the love of boating to getting drunk and being "cool"- Read: obnoxious. We need victim's families to organize a group to do for boating what MADD did for driving. May the victims RIP. Prayers for the families.
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Originally Posted by rfgonzo
(Post 4165481)
I will agree with most of what you said but boating and drinking go hand-in-hand the only problem is the driver and operator of a vessel should not be intoxicated what so ever. MADD would stop all open intoxicants inside of a vessel just like they do in cars. Boating is a stress reliever for a lot of people if I take A group of people out I would like them to enjoy themselves as long as I'm sober I don't care if my passengers are puking over the side my job is to make sure I get them there and back in one piece.
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It only takes an accident for people to be hurt. We are unprotected in boats... No airbags, rarely seat belts, and not enclosed. What I am saying is that it could be any of us that gets into a wreck, people will be calling for jail time just because we drive fast boats and the perception is that we are reckless. When in reality it could have been another watercraft that turned in front of you.
Give the guy a break, he screwed up big time. I'm sure he didn't have the intention of hurting someone that day. He will pay more than enough with the memory, jail time is for everyone else to see. |
I'm sorry, but you are wrong my friend, there is no breaks for this guy drunk or sober we have a responsibility as go fast boaters to do the right thing it's not all about going fast, there's times when you need to throttle back. Nobody cut in front of him as far as I know it was pure reckless driving and that brings A bad name to all of us that try to boat responsibly. I myself have made bad judgment mistakes on the water, as I think everyone has but I learn from that and continue on. Of course he didn't have the intention of hurting someone but the fact of the matter is he did. Now he must pay for his consequences and I think he should relive that memory day after day because innocent people are dead. In my younger days I would drive back to the docks Half in the bag every time I got there I would thank God we made it back alive full well knowing I made a ton of mistakes, as I get older I realize it's not worth it. Enjoy your day have fun relax and head back safely.
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What a sad event. Everyone loses. A family is torn apart, a guy loses his freedom and the whole boating community takes a hit as being unsafe and careless.
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Its hard to believe though that the baja could shread the top half of cruiser apart like that...to get that height and carry the lenght , bizarre
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It's the horsing around within such close proximity of another vessel that has me puzzled. The impaired operation of any type of motorized vehicle is such a huge message these days that there'a no excuse for it...none. There will be a huge price to pay by this kid, unfortunately his victims payed a bigger price.
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Originally Posted by rfgonzo
(Post 4165465)
With all that damage to the cruiser how in the Hell did the Baja stay in one piece and still be floating? Also none of the pictures I have seen shows any damage to the cruiser just that it Scheared in half? This is unlike any other boat accident I've ever seen. Prayers sent to all family members.
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Originally Posted by Red_Hill
(Post 4165468)
I'm not sure it matters to the two people who are gone and their friend whom is holding on.
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Originally Posted by rfgonzo
(Post 4165481)
I will agree with most of what you said but boating and drinking go hand-in-hand the only problem is the driver and operator of a vessel should not be intoxicated what so ever. MADD would stop all open intoxicants inside of a vessel just like they do in cars. Boating is a stress reliever for a lot of people if I take A group of people out I would like them to enjoy themselves as long as I'm sober I don't care if my passengers are puking over the side my job is to make sure I get them there and back in one piece.
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May have been a poor time for it though...my bad.
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Originally Posted by rfgonzo
(Post 4165465)
With all that damage to the cruiser how in the Hell did the Baja stay in one piece and still be floating? Also none of the pictures I have seen shows any damage to the cruiser just that it Scheared in half? This is unlike any other boat accident I've ever seen. Prayers sent to all family members.
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Truely tragic. Obviously horrible judgement on the Baja owner. We can speculate on how drunk he was and what his decisions were on driving the boat. That doesn't matter. One thing we can all agree on is there is no reason to be at a speed great enough to clear a 29' boat free of the water close enough that it will take out the top deck of a much larger cruizer.
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From what I understand, the Baja driver is set to be arraigned today; they are waiting on BAC test results.
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4165570)
I'll pass on the drunken passenger idea......My buddy did that, brand new Top Gun, drunk guy never put the fuel cap back on so it dangled by the chain for 100 miles of open ocean running.......repaint time, had a 1/2 moon shaped scrape about 3 inches wide all around the gas filler.
I let my buddies get sh*t housed on my boat and at times I get housed and one of them stays sober and drives the boat. Either way it's my boat and my responsibility to check on things......that drunk friend could just as easy be the dock hand and and a stranger.....no reason you shouldn't double check things. Not everyone on the boat is a pro or an owner so don't take the chance. |
Why, if drinking is the prime directive, don't the so inclined go on some type of party boat with a professional captain? Or just go to a dockside bar and watch the boats? There you go, get as fkd up as you please. Poker run this year pretty girl puking all over the new center console she was in. What fun is that for her the "passenger", or the slightly less inebriated driver/boyfriend? Its time for us to get out of the group-think that boating equals booze in a mobile floating bar. Too many deaths.
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Originally Posted by rfgonzo
(Post 4165500)
I'm sorry, but you are wrong my friend, there is no breaks for this guy drunk or sober we have a responsibility as go fast boaters to do the right thing it's not all about going fast, there's times when you need to throttle back. Nobody cut in front of him as far as I know it was pure reckless driving and that brings A bad name to all of us that try to boat responsibly. I myself have made bad judgment mistakes on the water, as I think everyone has but I learn from that and continue on. Of course he didn't have the intention of hurting someone but the fact of the matter is he did. Now he must pay for his consequences and I think he should relive that memory day after day because innocent people are dead. In my younger days I would drive back to the docks Half in the bag every time I got there I would thank God we made it back alive full well knowing I made a ton of mistakes, as I get older I realize it's not worth it. Enjoy your day have fun relax and head back safely.
I don't think kevinb230 was saying give this guy a pass or it's okay to drink and boat. The point I took away is that we all wake up in the mornings not intending for something like this to happen, and in a split second lives could be changed for ever. This is a scary reminder how dangerous the world we live in can be. There are a lot of assumptions on this crash, and right now I haven't read if in fact the driver was drunk. For all we know there was a steering or drive malfunction, maybe an engine shutdown at the worst possible moment. This also could of been his very first boat and he may of had no idea what he was doing, never mind knowing how to conduct himself in dangerous water. 45-50MPH as I read it, doesn't sound all that "out of control" for twin engine boats of this size and up in rough water. While it is very easy for the public to point their fingers at our loud boats and say we're all out of control when tragic accidents like this happen. But until we have all the facts, and not rumors and hearsay we shouldn't cry, lock him up and throw the keys away. Remember, it's not; guilty until proven innocent. My guess, unless this driver has no sole, he'll be reliving this event for the rest of his life, drunk or not, locked up or not. |
Originally Posted by On Time
(Post 4165677)
Why, if drinking is the prime directive, don't the so inclined go on some type of party boat with a professional captain? Or just go to a dockside bar and watch the boats? There you go, get as fkd up as you please. Poker run this year pretty girl puking all over the new center console she was in. What fun is that for her the "passenger", or the slightly less inebriated driver/boyfriend? Its time for us to get out of the group-think that boating equals booze in a mobile floating bar. Too many deaths.
That's your thoughts and you are entitled to them.....that said if that was how we all felt why ever buy a boat all. Just buy rides to pre determined spots that you prob don't want to go to with tons of people byou don't know. I for one see zero prob with boating and people having drinks. As long as someone is responsible and does not drink that plans on operating the boat and also knows how to operate the boat. I for one have never had anyone puke on my boat. If they did....oh well....it happens. Some water, 409, and a good scrub and we are back in biz. If you don't care to drink then that's fine and all respect to you. But don't tell others how we should boat if we actually plan it to have a safe and sober operator. |
Originally Posted by Nate5.0
(Post 4165699)
That's your thoughts and you are entitled to them.....that said if that was how we all felt why ever buy a boat all. Just buy rides to pre determined spots that you prob don't want to go to with tons of people byou don't know.
I for one see zero prob with boating and people having drinks. As long as someone is responsible and does not drink that plans on operating the boat and also knows how to operate the boat. I for one have never had anyone puke on my boat. If they did....oh well....it happens. Some water, 409, and a good scrub and we are back in biz. If you don't care to drink then that's fine and all respect to you. But don't tell others how we should boat if we actually plan it to have a safe and sober operator. "It's time for us to get out of the group-think that boating equals booze in a mobile floating bar. Too many deaths." |
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