new OL Cat blows over
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I was with Joel for most of the day Saturday and part of the day Sunday at the hospital....although nothing was broken he was in a ton of pain.....all he was concerned about was the condition of his friend Mike Fiore....On Sunday he insisted on seeing the boat....it was very emotional...he asked for all to continue to pray for Mike a full recovery
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Thats good news!!!
I think the answer as I stated isn't making cats more stable. If your here, your one of us, type A people. We push things.
If you make the cat more stable, Type A people simply add more power and go faster until its unstable again, thats what we do, thats who we are.
What needs to be researched, designed and built is a safety capsule that doesnt blow apart and protects its occupants, Hatches that stay inact, windows that stay intact etc.
You can lock a bunch of rocket scientests and composite engineers in a room until they design a completely stable 250 mph boat. As soon as they leave the room and proclaim "we did it" somebody is going to find a propulsion system to make it go 300mph unleashing a whole new set of problems.Meanwhile the daredevils piloting them are relying on safety systems that are failing at half that speed.
I think the answer as I stated isn't making cats more stable. If your here, your one of us, type A people. We push things.
If you make the cat more stable, Type A people simply add more power and go faster until its unstable again, thats what we do, thats who we are.
What needs to be researched, designed and built is a safety capsule that doesnt blow apart and protects its occupants, Hatches that stay inact, windows that stay intact etc.
You can lock a bunch of rocket scientests and composite engineers in a room until they design a completely stable 250 mph boat. As soon as they leave the room and proclaim "we did it" somebody is going to find a propulsion system to make it go 300mph unleashing a whole new set of problems.Meanwhile the daredevils piloting them are relying on safety systems that are failing at half that speed.
I am hoping Mike has a 100% recovery.
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we can start a thread, on Cockpits and Control systems, 20 years ago I had Cockpit adjustable Canards, which were applied to control attitude as there mounting position were well forward on the sponsons, they worked fine, now the pressures like I said we did a thread, but when you have "Experts" chime in who never built anything OR did the Basic calculations it becomes imposable to get the Point across!

Better count me out on problem solving this one!
#184
True. Perhaps future high speed boats need air handling wings and stabilizers like the land speed record vehicles. This is a likely development. In the meantime Godspeed to the two injured men, and may they have a full recovery. My prayers are with you both.
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To whom it may concern,
It would be in your best interest to check your facts before posting ludicrous headlines such as “Speedboat goes airborne, throws 2 men.” No one was ejected from that vessel and its safety features performed exactly as they should.
Indeed, it was a violent crash, but all survived. Why don’t you try writing a story about the impressive design and construction of the vessel instead of trying to capitalize on the drama associated with it?
-Cole Rxxxxx
It would be in your best interest to check your facts before posting ludicrous headlines such as “Speedboat goes airborne, throws 2 men.” No one was ejected from that vessel and its safety features performed exactly as they should.
Indeed, it was a violent crash, but all survived. Why don’t you try writing a story about the impressive design and construction of the vessel instead of trying to capitalize on the drama associated with it?
-Cole Rxxxxx
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I was with Joel for most of the day Saturday and part of the day Sunday at the hospital....although nothing was broken he was in a ton of pain.....all he was concerned about was the condition of his friend Mike Fiore....On Sunday he insisted on seeing the boat....it was very emotional...he asked for all to continue to pray for Mike a full recovery
#188
Bottom line is that this was the latest design and it basically worked as designed. They are both alive which speaks more than anything. I know Mike already put a ton of effort and time into the safety of this boat and it showed.
I am sure Mike and team will make improvements based on what they learn from this. Its very rare to be in this type of crash and live to learn from it.
Mike is a good friend and I watched this live in shock. Based on what I saw I feared the worst. SO thankful they will both recover from this, amazing.
Get better soon Mike, I can't wait to hear you tell the story.
Joel, glad you are out and on the mend physically and mentally. its going to take awhile to recover from this for both of you.
Mike
I am sure Mike and team will make improvements based on what they learn from this. Its very rare to be in this type of crash and live to learn from it.
Mike is a good friend and I watched this live in shock. Based on what I saw I feared the worst. SO thankful they will both recover from this, amazing.
Get better soon Mike, I can't wait to hear you tell the story.
Joel, glad you are out and on the mend physically and mentally. its going to take awhile to recover from this for both of you.
Mike
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It was asked earlier if I was a pilot, yes I have been flying since '71 as well as an A&P and for the past 22 years I run a business doing design and building road race and rally cars. Boats have been a hobby since the mid 60s. I have designed and built 6 airplanes and started my performance boating by building a 3 point hydro powered by a 20H back before I had a drivers licence.
Back to matters here, there have been some good points throughout this thread.
As for pitch stability, I am sure an algorithm can be written that can provide a major reduction in chance of blowovers without inducing a stuff. A comment a few pages back was yes we can make the boats safe for the current speeds but then we will just put more power to them to go faster. Now add in an active pitch stability, that soon will no longer be a safety device but will now be used to actively raise the hull to reduce drag, OK add active roll stabilization and we soon will be lowering the drives so we can propel the boats with the hulls not touching water.
Yes to those saying nuts to all this, We do need to keep up with safety, some of my background has been in accident investigation, this has been in both aircraft an race cars. I have learned allot here. From that I would love to see how seats and harnesses are mounted. Some pictures I have seen of the suspension seats are a bit frightening.
I started my comments many pages back with the fact we will see major improvements in crash safety due to this one being survived and that Mike survived the horrors of going through this.
I expect these improvements will be addressing seat and belt mounting as well as the containment shell around the occupants. Having closed cockpits is of little value if they do not hold up at the current operating speeds not to mention when we see these boats touching 300 in the near future.
God forbid when electronics come into play here.
Sorry for the lack of providing quotes and references, I just do not have the time to do so properly.
Back to matters here, there have been some good points throughout this thread.
As for pitch stability, I am sure an algorithm can be written that can provide a major reduction in chance of blowovers without inducing a stuff. A comment a few pages back was yes we can make the boats safe for the current speeds but then we will just put more power to them to go faster. Now add in an active pitch stability, that soon will no longer be a safety device but will now be used to actively raise the hull to reduce drag, OK add active roll stabilization and we soon will be lowering the drives so we can propel the boats with the hulls not touching water.
Yes to those saying nuts to all this, We do need to keep up with safety, some of my background has been in accident investigation, this has been in both aircraft an race cars. I have learned allot here. From that I would love to see how seats and harnesses are mounted. Some pictures I have seen of the suspension seats are a bit frightening.
I started my comments many pages back with the fact we will see major improvements in crash safety due to this one being survived and that Mike survived the horrors of going through this.
I expect these improvements will be addressing seat and belt mounting as well as the containment shell around the occupants. Having closed cockpits is of little value if they do not hold up at the current operating speeds not to mention when we see these boats touching 300 in the near future.
God forbid when electronics come into play here.
Sorry for the lack of providing quotes and references, I just do not have the time to do so properly.
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Just saw some good news. Worth sharing and not debating other issues. Will do them later.
From: "LakeExpo.com" .. So it's in the news, sort of speak.
Joel Begin, the driver of the Outerlimits catamaran that crashed at the Shootout on Aug. 23, is being released from the hospital today—Sunday, Aug. 24—according to Ron Duggan, the race director. Begin was taken to Lake Regional Hospital after the crash on Saturday morning. Fiore, however, has several broken bones, and was scheduled for surgery on Sunday to begin the mending process for one of them. Duggan reported the driver was moving his fingers and toes after the crash and indicated his neck was not broken.
The official word from Fiore's family is that he is in critical condition, but is stable.
Duggan also reported Fiore was responsive on Saturday night and Sunday morning.
Speedy recovery Mike.
From: "LakeExpo.com" .. So it's in the news, sort of speak.
Joel Begin, the driver of the Outerlimits catamaran that crashed at the Shootout on Aug. 23, is being released from the hospital today—Sunday, Aug. 24—according to Ron Duggan, the race director. Begin was taken to Lake Regional Hospital after the crash on Saturday morning. Fiore, however, has several broken bones, and was scheduled for surgery on Sunday to begin the mending process for one of them. Duggan reported the driver was moving his fingers and toes after the crash and indicated his neck was not broken.
The official word from Fiore's family is that he is in critical condition, but is stable.
Duggan also reported Fiore was responsive on Saturday night and Sunday morning.
Speedy recovery Mike.



