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Full Force 01-11-2015 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4247714)
I forgot about these guys. I knew they did car stuff, but are they experienced with marine engines and requirements?

May be a viable option in the future....

A buddy recently told me he knows marine stuff also.... I forgot about them, of course I am not looking either though...

flat rate 01-11-2015 02:44 PM

Frank McComas built my 540s couldn't be happier and I don't think he charged me enough!

stimleck 01-11-2015 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by renbull (Post 4247557)
I first ran in to Bob from Bullet Engines at the 1000 Islands Poker Run. He had a performance marine engine sitting on a pallet in his display. It was impressive. We talked about it and then he asked if I'd like to hear it run. Well yes! Next thing he turns on a garden house, hooks up a battery and fires the engine. It was awesome! I visited his shop in Kingston and made a deal to rebuild my Gen IV 454's. They turned out great, increased HP, fired immediately when I put them in the boat and ran flawless for years.

Thanks I guess we sometimes assume that "bad builders" never make good engines lol glad your experience was
good.

chris21hope 01-11-2015 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by KAAMA (Post 4247584)
Uhhh....well, not quite yet, bro----mine are the ones that are actually being built right now, but no worries, I know yours are definitely in the line-up. :cool-smiley-011: :D

(I know what you meant, I just could not resist) Let's get together for a beer sometime

Ha! As long as our motors are done by boating season, who cares what order they're in!

Amen on the beers!

snapmorgan 01-11-2015 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4247268)
Hi Joe, did you get your boat fixed?

Are you coming up to Lake Erie / Sandusky this year? I owe you one!

I have all of the parts gathered up and will probably start on it this week. New XR and transom assy, going to go through the engine and freshen it up while I am at it. Eddie Young is building a new fuel injection setup that I am planning on trying.

You never know where I might show up. I plan on starting my boating season at Desert Storm this year and will take it from there. I still have that picture for you from tha Nashville run. If you will PM me your address, I will send it to you.

caseyh 01-11-2015 10:29 PM

I like Ron sprol and mark boos

Ron is doing my motors right now 598s

hammerdown500 01-11-2015 10:34 PM

Eddie young, Ron sporl. Both are great.

hadleycat 01-12-2015 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by hadleycat (Post 4246807)
My engine is at Champion Performance in Centerlie MI right now. Just beginning the rebuild process for the first time. Wish me Luck!

Talked with the guys at Champion today. Everything is going great.

hadleycat 01-15-2015 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by hadleycat (Post 4248219)
Talked with the guys at Champion today. Everything is going great.

Stopped in to Champion Performance today to look over my disassembled engine and discuss the new build. Joe Soller took the time to look over all the parts of my engine with me and explain the condition of my pistons, bearings etc. I brought a list of questions with me and Joe answered every one of them thoroughly. We then discussed options for the new build and Joe made some recommendations. We agreed on the direction I would like to take with my build and Joe is preparing an itemized list of all parts and labor for the new build. I couldn't be more happy with my visit. Shop is very neat and professional looking.
I was curious about some builds they had in progress and Joe showed me around including some high profile builds in progress:)

Full Force 01-27-2015 08:11 PM

Sooo...... got a call from my machinist today, my shortblocks all done and ready to be picked up!!! 3 week turnaround!! he started on my stuff 1-5-15

Anyone in Ohio or surrounding don't hesitate to give Ray at Victory engines a call, tell him Quickchange Tim sent ya!!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...84607526,d.eXY

kjm5125 01-27-2015 08:48 PM

Nice thread, as I'm starting to look for a good engine builder.

Full Force 01-27-2015 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by kjm5125 (Post 4257045)
Nice thread, as I'm starting to look for a good engine builder.

your in Olmsted Falls too???? thats like 4 of us here haha 440-476-4114 gimme a text or call one day, we can grab a beer...I am on Columbia rd, just south Bagley

frickstyle 01-28-2015 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4257021)
Sooo...... got a call from my machinist today, my shortblocks all done and ready to be picked up!!! 3 week turnaround!! he started on my stuff 1-5-15

Anyone in Ohio or surrounding don't hesitate to give Ray at Victory engines a call, tell him Quickchange Tim sent ya!!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...84607526,d.eXY

Tim, does he do complete builds too, dyno, rig?

Full Force 01-28-2015 06:02 AM

Yes on both his dyno is old school all analog he's old school builder but not once have I or my buddy's had issues with work or time frame, he does not do as many boat engines as other guys but he knows what he's doing....never let us down.

drpete3 01-28-2015 07:08 AM

Im glad Eddie young s name came up. I have never worked with him but he has done a lot for the boating industry and that says something.

On another note, Im surprised I haven't heard anyone comment about Ben at Precision Marine in MI.

check300 01-28-2015 08:34 AM

On another note, Im surprised I haven't heard anyone comment about Ben at Precision Marine in MI.[/QUOTE]

Ben is the real deal. I have never been disappointed.

TCBoss302 01-28-2015 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by drpete3 (Post 4257145)
Im glad Eddie young s name came up. I have never worked with him but he has done a lot for the boating industry and that says something.

On another note, Im surprised I haven't heard anyone comment about Ben at Precision Marine in MI.

+1 for Eddie Young.

The Gitter 02-20-2015 09:08 AM

I'm ONE GUY Bro. Thanks for the nice words! If I could find help would be nice , but no one wants to use there brain!!! The biggest thing with my stuff is you will not find more perfect machine work any where, combinations make power through 55 years experience and they DON'T BLOW UP like my competition!

Uncle Dave 02-22-2015 06:57 PM

Alexi Sahagian & Boostpower take care of both my 500HP SBC and 700 Ilmor V10.

Everything is ready when he says it will be and always exceeds my very high level of expectations.

Everything from compound super/turbocharged 2000+ HP mills and everything in between.

I half expected to see a UFO getting an infinite improbability drive upgraded last time I was there.

Uncle Dave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6hAfiuYxRo

Don Johnson 02-24-2015 10:12 AM

Teague Custom Marine did complete refresh on the drivetrain in my DCB in 45 days from start to finish. Fresh motors, trannys, service drives, and a fair amount of new rigging for water and fuel delivery. Got the chance to run the boat and it is absolutely perfect, Great experience and great service!

It seems there is always much talk about engine builders which I always enjoy reading about. That said, there seems to be very little discussion around the "real" value of our boats after we have invested in new/rebuild power from an aftermarket provider. This seems to be an commonly overlooked consideration for many while going through the decision making process and deciding on an engine builder/shop, but this decision can have real consequences to the resale value of your boat. IMHO when one go's to sell their boat, to get top dollar the boat needs to have Mercury power and if not Mercury it better be very well known aftermarket. Boats that have some very capable but lesser known engine packages really struggle to sell and when they do sell usually not at top $. Just my opinion but case in point, on the West Coast when you are talking the more high end boats this element certainly applies. I have a friend that recently replaced his "little known" engines in his DCB to Teague just for the resale marketing elements.

Diamond Dave 02-24-2015 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Don Johnson (Post 4269817)
Teague Custom Marine did complete refresh on the drivetrain in my DCB in 45 days from start to finish. Fresh motors, trannys, service drives, and a fair amount of new rigging for water and fuel delivery. Got the chance to run the boat and it is absolutely perfect, Great experience and great service!

It seems there is always much talk about engine builders which I always enjoy reading about. That said, there seems to be very little discussion around the "real" value of our boats after we have invested in new/rebuild power from an aftermarket provider. This seems to be an commonly overlooked consideration for many while going through the decision making process and deciding on an engine builder/shop, but this decision can have real consequences to the resale value of your boat. IMHO when one go's to sell their boat, to get top dollar the boat needs to have Mercury power and if not Mercury it better be very well known aftermarket. Boats that have some very capable but lesser known engine packages really struggle to sell and when they do sell usually not at top $. Just my opinion but case in point, on the West Coast when you are talking the more high end boats this element certainly applies. I have a friend that recently replaced his "little known" engines in his DCB to Teague just for the resale marketing elements.

Must be nice to be able to repower just for the sake of resale.... that's baller status! Lol

notda1 02-24-2015 06:23 PM

I have had great results with Tony at CMS ( Chesapeake Marine Service ) in Middle river MD , and Dave at MDG Performance in Edgewater MD . In the past , I dropped off my boat in the fall and picked it up in the spring from either . Both are close and built me reliable big power that performed flawless . A big plus is they install ,service , and maintain what they build . I like dealing with one local company that can handle with as many of the boats needs as possible , rigging , motors ect . :ernaehrung004:

Don Johnson 02-25-2015 08:57 AM

Not really a baller move, simply could not sell the boat for nearly what it was worth with the engines that were in it. Boat had great timeless graphics, 6 drives and all the nice stuff but no one was interested in the boat with lesser known engines. Fast forward with Teague engines, lots of interest in the boat and price was where it should be.

TCBoss302 02-25-2015 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Don Johnson (Post 4269817)
Teague Custom Marine did complete refresh on the drivetrain in my DCB in 45 days from start to finish. Fresh motors, trannys, service drives, and a fair amount of new rigging for water and fuel delivery. Got the chance to run the boat and it is absolutely perfect, Great experience and great service!

It seems there is always much talk about engine builders which I always enjoy reading about. That said, there seems to be very little discussion around the "real" value of our boats after we have invested in new/rebuild power from an aftermarket provider. This seems to be an commonly overlooked consideration for many while going through the decision making process and deciding on an engine builder/shop, but this decision can have real consequences to the resale value of your boat. IMHO when one go's to sell their boat, to get top dollar the boat needs to have Mercury power and if not Mercury it better be very well known aftermarket. Boats that have some very capable but lesser known engine packages really struggle to sell and when they do sell usually not at top $. Just my opinion but case in point, on the West Coast when you are talking the more high end boats this element certainly applies. I have a friend that recently replaced his "little known" engines in his DCB to Teague just for the resale marketing elements.

Great post and so true. To add to this, the "quality builder" will have all kinds of documentation- a complete parts list, dyno sheets, etc. And maybe above all, be willing to talk to a potential buyer and give them a comfort level which will help the price-point and sale.

lsc86 03-09-2015 01:28 PM

Time frames can be relative to the shop, project, season, parts availability, and of course the ability of the customer to pay as well. 12+ months is obviously the exception, but can't be completely discarded as plausible without knowing all the details.

Even highly skilled, accomplished, and respected machinist/builders can only produce so much work in a given normal work week and if they are doing everything from disassembly to final assembly themselves, then it's hard to compare their delivery times vs. a larger shop that has assigned techs for every stage of the process. Volume of work coming in the door, seasonal influx, etc. all impact delivery times as well, not to mention the type of engines coming in the door. Cranking out 10 crate type small blocks is a lot different than building a high end performance engine. But given all that, most any competent shop can hit a reasonable completion window within a few days, which in most cases should range from 6 weeks to 6 months.

Having spent enough time on both sides of the counter, I understand both sides of most situations and try to be realistic about expectations and what's normal and what's unrealistic- especially when it comes to motorsports related situations. As it relates to the posted topic, I'll give kudos to TA Racing Engines for anything from basic auto/marine engine refresh, to vintage concours restoration rebuilds, to custom one-off race engines, to performance Harley work. Small shop, 30 yrs industry experience, proving high value and high performance can co-exist.

snapmorgan 03-11-2015 08:52 PM

Just picked my engine up today. Bored .030, block decked, heads resurfaced, new intake valves and guides installed, crankshaft polished and rebalanced. 6 week turnaround time. Very acceptable I think.


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