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Old 06-16-2015, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Cole2534
The gears don't fail, the case fails them.

Imco SC's and I believe Bravo Shop B-Maxes, use Merc gears to achieve better life spans, that displays what an improved case can do for gear life.
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BMax uppers have massive gears compared to any bravo
And IMCO SC drives are frail too, not much better than any of the Merc Bravo offerings since they use the same junk gears. Case stability is an issue, but the real issue is the puny Merc gear set was never intended to support the power, weight, surfacing, and offshore abuse they are being subjected to these days. A few decades ago they were marginally up to the task, definitely not today.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:45 PM
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One note .scx is strong but takes more hp to spin and a 6 needs a tranny . So xr is a cheaper drive that makes your boat run faster . You just have to be friends with a drive guy
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So many good points made here we need a short list to help future viewers weigh the best options. Like power to weight, drive height, and proposed operation conditions.

Clearly there is a few of us who've proven they can hold over 800hp / 1000flbs for hundreds of hours without failure. I'm one, who's also torn whether to risk them on a heavier boat that will likely see some air time. Certainly not my first choice. But is it new #6's, or that cute cottage to park the boat at ?
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Originally Posted by Smitty
What if there was a gearset available that for most applications up to 800 hp/800 ft lbs. that eliminated the"gear" failure of the XR ?? Would you all be interested in buying a set ??? What would you be willing to pay for them ????

And let's not be ridiculous with your answers about the cost.
Id happily pay you 50% more than the standard bravo gearset for a set of real gears for a bravo.

to the OP even with all the unobtanium parts you can throw at it -- 650Ft lb, in a 28 ft boat w a bravo in the ocean will chew it up like a puppy at the morning newspaper.

to the OP- if Smitty builds it you can trust it.

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Old 06-17-2015, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me
What about the vertical shafts that like to snap like twigs? And what to do about popping the top cap off the case when the drive walks those new gears up thru the roof? Or splitting the case at the top? Or the busted/twisted prop shafts? Then there are the Bravo props that throw blades like Frisbees! It never ends...
Amen brother! Every failure I had was related to the vertical shaft twisting in half!
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:50 PM
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Our Bravo 30' boat with twin 500 ci NA 750+ HP motors @ 6800 RPM w/650 lbs. has a flat torque curve from 5000-6200 RPM. The torque at 4000 RPM is only 615 lbs. We now have 100 + hours on these drives with virtually no sign of wear. Is the real Bravo killer the big CI motors?...the length/weight of the boat?... or is there more low end torque from 750 HP blower motors? These Bravos do have the best of the best after market parts. Maybe the answer is to not add more CI to make power.
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:21 PM
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Here was my "technology" fix for the above issues. Won't save ya if you fly out of the water, but she never broke another shaft in the 300hrs I logged.



Being a diesel, major torque is produced below 2000R. This torque limiting map fixed two issues, stiff shifting and the huge torque spike when turbo lit. Once on plane, torque limit was raised to maximum ECU values. Same technique could be used in a gasser to limit the heavy throttle jockeys...
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Old 06-17-2015, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BenPerfected
Our Bravo 30' boat with twin 500 ci NA 750+ HP motors @ 6800 RPM w/650 lbs. has a flat torque curve from 5000-6200 RPM. The torque at 4000 RPM is only 615 lbs. We now have 100 + hours on these drives with virtually no sign of wear. Is the real Bravo killer the big CI motors?...the length/weight of the boat?... or is there more low end torque from 750 HP blower motors? These Bravos do have the best of the best after market parts. Maybe the answer is to not add more CI to make power.
i always check the location to see if the bravo fans are lake boater.
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Hogie,
You are right I am now a lake boater, but the ponds are pretty good size in MI and Nothern OH. Do you generally get some big water in Peoria?
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:57 PM
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Default This is where they break

In my testing this is where they break. See the circled areas and follow the red line down the inside of the tooth. The larger line is what you get from a poorly meshing gear.

And don't ask me if I have any to sell yet. It is a work in progress...

All the parts in the drive can/will break if you fly the boat, hammer it, basically drive like an idiot.
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