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exocet 03-30-2015 03:08 PM

No more Ilmor V-10s?
 
Thank you for your interest in Ilmor. Regarding our V10’s and Indy Drives, we are limiting new production for the time being, but are still offering full service and parts support for product in the operation. We will be focusing heavily on our MV8 engine line where there is more growth opportunity for us under current market conditions.


Regards,

Melanie Ricketts
Sales & Service Coordinator
Ilmor Engineering, Inc.
43939 Plymouth Oaks Blvd.
Plymouth, MI 48170
T: 734.456.3600 | F: 734.456.3699
www.ilmor.com

BUP 03-30-2015 03:16 PM

And they are matching up the Yanmar twin prop outdrive & transom assembly to enter the V-8 engines for sterndrive use or should say trying to. If these engines were not already going into Mastercraft boats for the past 4 years IMO ILmor would not even bother with the marine side.

Dean Ferry 03-30-2015 04:42 PM

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Bummer, I think the V-10 is a great platform

BUP 03-30-2015 04:50 PM

Have to ask and wondering a first post from OP and its about Ilmor not selling the V-10 anymore. Wonder if it is 100% legit. Just asking.

thirdchildhood 03-30-2015 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4285875)
Have to ask and wondering a first post from OP and its about Ilmor not selling the V-10 anymore. Wonder if it is 100% legit. Just asking.

I don't see anymore V-10s on their web site.

Marginmn 03-30-2015 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4285875)
Have to ask and wondering a first post from OP and its about Ilmor not selling the V-10 anymore. Wonder if it is 100% legit. Just asking.

It's true. Called Ian myself last week. Ian said they are still going to service the V-10 and offer rebuilds on the existing engines, but outside of a few orders they have outstanding Ilmor isn't accepting orders for new V-10s. They just aren't selling enough of them to justify continued production.

I just had my two 7-10's rebuilt at Ilmor last fall. Now that you can no longer buy them I wonder if the existing ones will someday be coveted - like the old hemi's of the muscle car era. :) Or not.

Knot 4 Me 03-30-2015 05:35 PM

That's too bad. Great pieces.

H20 Toie 03-30-2015 06:07 PM

I wanted to put a set in my cigarette last year. but it would really kill the resale if the motor is no longer made

Rick G 03-30-2015 06:22 PM

I am not sure they will have the same cashe' as a Hemi , besides they are still doing the hemi on a large scale . I would be concerned that the stopping of production will hurt resale values of boats , not like having a BBC or Mercury blue where parts are seemingly endless . I have heard nothing but good things about the marine performance though.
Just my 2 cents

Rick G.

Bad Ass TA WS6 03-30-2015 06:37 PM

What a bummer. I thought it was a great platform. They really are great engines to make make big power and torque on pump gas

Canamman 03-30-2015 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by exocet (Post 4285820)
Thank you for your interest in Ilmor. Regarding our V10’s and Indy Drives, we are limiting new production for the time being, but are still offering full service and parts support for product in the operation. We will be focusing heavily on our MV8 engine line where there is more growth opportunity for us under current market conditions.


Regards,

Melanie Ricketts
Sales & Service Coordinator
Ilmor Engineering, Inc.
43939 Plymouth Oaks Blvd.
Plymouth, MI 48170
T: 734.456.3600 | F: 734.456.3699
www.ilmor.com

I actually just bought a 382 Fastech with the Ilmor/Indy package and I also had some concern regarding this news. I also spoke with Melanie and Ian, who confirmed all of this but she did say that while a general consumer will not be able to buy the motors, they will still be producing them on a per boat build basis to select boat builders that they have relationships with. I would assume that one of them is Formula.

BUP 03-30-2015 08:16 PM

Thanks, Ian told me in person that he was retiring I think in June of this year. A younger guy was taking over in his place. Wonder if the this news had anything to do him retiring and hopefully all the employees will still have jobs. A lot of those guys and Jessica are very good people.

thirdchildhood 03-30-2015 08:30 PM

Another big loss for the industry. Our sport is going to hell.

Made It Rain 03-30-2015 09:36 PM

Ian is retiring April 17th. Ilmor is not going anywhere, it's just the MV10 will be on a limited basis, but they are supporting them fully.

altamate 03-31-2015 02:32 AM

Not a problem for now, but 10-15yrs out, if your boat has them, you are going to hate finding parts or getting them fixed. If they had sold a ton of them it would not matter as the aftermarket would pick up the ball, but since they only sold a small number it's not going to be pleasant down the road. Just ask anyone with OMC stern drives what the last 20yrs has been like. In many places now, you can't even find a mechanic that has the manuals or knows how to fix them.

Dean Ferry 03-31-2015 06:58 AM

[QUO TE=al tamate;4286105]Not a problem for now, but 10-15yrs out, if your boat has them, you are going to hate finding parts or getting them fixed. If they had sold a ton of them it would not matter as the aftermarket would pick up the ball, but since they only sold a small number it's not going to be pleasant down the road. Just ask anyone with OMC stern drives what the last 20yrs has been like. In many places now, you can't even find a mechanic that has the manuals or knows how to fix them.[/QUOTE]

I don't know, there's a big aftermarket For viper parts in a lot of viper Engines, all different gens....

Canamman 03-31-2015 07:09 AM

It's clear the mv-10 isn't a high production motor as is the case for any engine 600 cubes and up....anything with big HP is NOT getting parts or fixed in a day by any Merc mechanic down the road...specialty build engine houses are not going away and Ilmor has their foot firmly planted in the market from what I can gather......I'm actually saying most of this for my benefit as I've just "invested" in a pair of these and love to gamble so I guess we'll see...

Marginmn 03-31-2015 09:57 AM

I'm beginning to wonder if boats are as good an investment as I was led to believe?

Awash 03-31-2015 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 4286217)
I'm beginning to wonder if boats are as good an investment as I was led to believe?

Now that is funny, on the other hand if your serious find the person that told you that and punch em right in the gut.

gofastboater 03-31-2015 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Awash (Post 4286249)
Now that is funny, on the other hand if your serious find the person that told you that and punch em right in the gut.

I would use a 44 Magnum. LOL. Boats have never been a good investment unlike the muscle cars of the '60's and '70's. At least they are coming back in value.

4mulafastech 03-31-2015 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by exocet (Post 4285820)
Thank you for your interest in Ilmor. Regarding our V10’s and Indy Drives, we are limiting new production for the time being, but are still offering full service and parts support for product in the operation. We will be focusing heavily on our MV8 engine line where there is more growth opportunity for us under current market conditions.

Regards,

Melanie Ricketts
Sales & Service Coordinator
Ilmor Engineering, Inc.
43939 Plymouth Oaks Blvd.
Plymouth, MI 48170
T: 734.456.3600 | F: 734.456.3699
www.ilmor.com

Does anyone know if this includes developing a high performance stern drive that matches up to the MV8-570? (not twin prop...)
The MV8-570 calls for 91 octane minimum. Would like to see a slightly lower HP version that can safely run on 89 octane.
Maybe a MV8-530(?)

NASCAT 03-31-2015 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4285875)
Have to ask and wondering a first post from OP and its about Ilmor not selling the V-10 anymore. Wonder if it is 100% legit. Just asking.

It's legit & was posted in another thread w/ a ILMOR Formula by ILMOR's sales & marketing rep.

NASCAT 03-31-2015 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by 4mulafastech (Post 4286271)
Does anyone know if this includes developing a high performance stern drive that matches up to the MV8-570? (not twin prop...)
The MV8-570 calls for 91 octane minimum. Would like to see a slightly lower HP version that can safely run on 89 octane.
Maybe a MV8-530(?)

They had been working on that for a few years w/ a 3rd party & I think the 3rd party let them down so I believe the Yanmar is the solution to all the V-8 stuff other than the 570 of which I don't believe there are many in circulation by comparison to their other V-8 offerings.

NASCAT 03-31-2015 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4285989)
Thanks, Ian told me in person that he was retiring I think in June of this year. A younger guy was taking over in his place. Wonder if the this news had anything to do him retiring and hopefully all the employees will still have jobs. A lot of those guys and Jessica are very good people.

Nope!

4mulafastech 03-31-2015 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4286275)
They had been working on that for a few years w/ a 3rd party & I think the 3rd party let them down so I believe the Yanmar is the solution to all the V-8 stuff other than the 570 of which I don't believe there are many in circulation by comparison to their other V-8 offerings.

Thanks, that's what I was afraid of. Really wish that 570 platform would take off. I have a go-fast, not ski-boat or cruiser...

One other comment. The 91 octane requirement probably isn't helping the sales growth of the 570.

NASCAT 03-31-2015 01:56 PM

I tried to get Formula to build me a 310FX5 w/ a pr of 570's & they said NO GO too fast for their liking, so that's when I was more involved w/ what was going on w/ their own drive development.

Tom A. 03-31-2015 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 4286217)
I'm beginning to wonder if boats are as good an investment as I was led to believe?

I don't know Bob, you buy a ZRC..... Donzi stops building them. You put Ilmors in it.... they stop making them.

Please don't put any pretty women or Jack Daniels in your boat!....... :lolhit:

Marginmn 03-31-2015 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by Tom A. (Post 4286454)
I don't know Bob, you buy a ZRC..... Donzi stops building them. You put Ilmors in it.... they stop making them.

Please don't put any pretty women or Jack Daniels in your boat!....... :lolhit:

Deal Tom, but it might be too late for Arneson. :)

39 Unlimited 04-01-2015 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Tom A. (Post 4286454)
I don't know Bob, you buy a ZRC..... Donzi stops building them. You put Ilmors in it.... they stop making them.

Please don't put any pretty women or Jack Daniels in your boat!....... :lolhit:

This is hilarious!

Rik 04-01-2015 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 4286524)
Deal Tom, but it might be too late for Arneson. :)

Na, it will take more than your bad luck for that... Besides, your bad luck tank has to be running in empty by now.. :D

Marginmn 04-01-2015 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rik (Post 4286700)
Na, it will take more than your bad luck for that... Besides, your bad luck tank has to be running in empty by now.. :D

I'm gonna be optimistic and declare that my drive housing getting cracked because a bridge was out during a freak blizzard in North Carolina was the bottom of the barrel for my luck with this boat. :pray:

On the plus side, Jerry has it all back together and did some testing Monday. The drive worked fine. The water pick up needs some work. :)

jdos 04-02-2015 04:28 PM

Just got home from dropping our indy drives off. they have a hand full of v10's in production. According to Ian, they are focusing on the v8 platform.(which they have sold 1000's) they will continue to build v10's/indy's they are wanting to do production runs 5-10 at a time not 1's.

Dean Ferry 04-03-2015 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 4286754)
I'm gonna be optimistic and declare that my drive housing getting cracked because a bridge was out during a freak blizzard in North Carolina was the bottom of the barrel for my luck with this boat. :pray:

On the plus side, Jerry has it all back together and did some testing Monday. The drive worked fine. The water pick up needs some work. :)

MM,
Man that is a good looking rig Love the power train set-up!!

SkiDoc 04-03-2015 06:05 AM

I hate that Ilmor is reducing efforts in the high performance area. They have the talent to produce some innovative products for us. Hopefully they can get back in some time with some higher HP engines and keep offering more drive options.

thirdchildhood 04-03-2015 06:21 AM

Competition is usually good for the consumer. I hope the someone keeps the V-10s and Indys in production. Hopefully the economy will improve in a couple years. Ilmor was doing everything right too by building a reputation of quality and reliability before rushing into more powerful engine builds.

SJP 04-03-2015 08:00 AM

That is unfortunate. I have a set in my boat and they are awesome.

altamate 04-07-2015 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Dean Ferry (Post 4286134)
I don't know, there's a big aftermarket For viper parts in a lot of viper Engines, all different gens....

Getting a carb for a GM 5.7 in your OMC is not the problem, even getting the shift cables, gears, bearings and gaskets may be difficult but possible most of the time. However try to get the lower case or any other aluminum casting that is older OMC and good luck. I think there are some other Merc. type drives that also fall into this, like a Blackhawk drive. You can get internal parts but don't destroy the case/housing/brackets or you're done.

CLA 04-07-2015 03:10 PM

Ilmor just rebuilt my 710's like new. They are their for you if you need them.

Dean Ferry 04-08-2015 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by altamate (Post 4288972)
Getting a carb for a GM 5.7 in your OMC is not the problem, even getting the shift cables, gears, bearings and gaskets may be difficult but possible most of the time. However try to get the lower case or any other aluminum casting that is older OMC and good luck. I think there are some other Merc. type drives that also fall into this, like a Blackhawk drive. You can get internal parts but don't destroy the case/housing/brackets or you're done.

I was referring to the Dodge V-10 engine that the Ilmor V-10's are based off.


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