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JUSTGOLF 04-28-2015 10:48 AM

1987 41 Apache
 
Not sure if this is in the right spot, in the May issue of Dupont Registry, there is a 87, 41Apache for sell out of Canada, I have e- mailed the seller but haven't herd back, i figured with all the knowledge on here someone might know about it, it's all white with Apache 41 down the side, with twin Keith Eickert 850 in it, I know this isn't much to go on, but thanks for the help.

thisistank 04-28-2015 10:49 AM

Sounds like the one out of Texas. He's a member on here

JUSTGOLF 04-28-2015 12:50 PM

I spoke with the seller and the boat is in Canada, he is sending me info about the boat

thisistank 04-28-2015 02:45 PM

Ok, Nevermind, I see he ad in DuPont. That thing is pretty sweet and a great price! Good luck man.

Go to the apache section and post the ad link. I'm sure those dudes will know everything about it. Lol

JUSTGOLF 04-28-2015 03:04 PM

Lol thanks Tank

Nykamp 04-28-2015 06:08 PM

If it the one the trucking company guy owns he's had it for a very long time. Nice guy, I looked at her years ago. I heard he's done more to it since I saw it. It was very nice when I saw it.

iliveonanisland 04-28-2015 07:13 PM

Lot of 41 apaches hitting the market lately

iliveonanisland 04-28-2015 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by JUSTGOLF (Post 4297928)
Lol thanks Tank

Its stank

delsol 04-29-2015 02:50 AM

Staggered or side by side?

Steve the one you are referring to was teal?

SKRAMER 04-29-2015 07:05 AM

This Might Help. http://www.dupontregistry.com/boats/...aspx?id=503515

SS930 04-29-2015 07:15 AM

Cool PR boat for the $.

lucky strike 04-29-2015 07:57 PM

Thats nice

Nykamp 04-29-2015 08:03 PM

It used to have red and teal/green interior and a Indian head dress for paint.

Comanche3Six 04-29-2015 10:10 PM

That does look nice

iliveonanisland 04-29-2015 10:21 PM

75k dollars and there is no back seat to hammer the skanks on? Wtf. Keep looking dude!

Fyi the boat pamela amderson and tommy lee shot their porn video on Is now for sale!

And as an added bonus its my understanding that after the owner tried scrubbing the upper deck seat cushions numerous times with simple greén and coarse brillo pads, there are very evident snail tracks all over the seat cushions which makes buying the boat a no brainer... enjoy! Rm

Besides i think thats too much boat to run hard amd have the 3a's stay together

TURBO JET 04-29-2015 10:45 PM

3a's all business.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQ3cl9UR2w

iliveonanisland 04-29-2015 10:51 PM

http:// https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9pDV7vHF2G4

I call and raise ya 20 mph

cig92 04-29-2015 10:53 PM

I believe it was a pleasure converted to race set up with a now gutted cabin. 3a's are great drives btw

iliveonanisland 04-29-2015 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by cig92 (Post 4298545)
I believe it was a pleasure converted to race set up with a now gutted cabin. 3a's are great drives btw

How do the hold up compared to 6s

SS930 04-30-2015 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by iliveonanisland (Post 4298547)
How do the hold up compared to 6s

They aren't 6's, but the price also reflects that. If you want 6's, you're going to pay a premium for them. 3's with the big shafts are solid drives (with medium size power), WAY better than bravos!

Stormrider 04-30-2015 08:32 AM

6s are much heavier than the 3s.
Will screw up the boat's COG if the boat was built w/ 3s originally.

thisistank 04-30-2015 10:39 AM

The shaft sizes are the same and there's twin verticals like 6's. Actually, internally I never understood the difference between a 3a and a 6. 3a's were always referred to as baby 6's :D i ran the **** out of my 3A's on my gun in the Pacific Ocean in big water. I never stressed zinging the drives while airing the boat out. It was very comforting knowing I had those drives hanging off the back. I think the 3a's are rated to 800hp and the 6's are rated up to 1200 ???

Unlimited jd 04-30-2015 01:06 PM

I hear this cog issue over and over again, how many apaches have 6's on them? And how many were actually built with them?
Take a 37 outerlimits stilletto for example, same bottom, same cockpit and cabin layout but you could buy the boat with side by side bravos, stag bravos, side by side 5's stag 5's, stag 6's or triple bravo, yet no one complains the cog is screwy.... Unless something is WAY off like a 28 saber I know with the fuel tank behind the rear seat and a Konrad ace on a box i have yet to see a major cog issue.

Stormrider 04-30-2015 01:45 PM

Ujd, all I know is I had spent sometime w/ Magnum Mark and he had mentioned this to me.
I consider him to be one of the most knowledgeable and experienced, especially on Apache's.

dmaxximus 04-30-2015 04:01 PM

I would think getting it back to the US and registered could be a task? Not sure how that works and why is there no pics of the engine comp? Makes me wonder, other than that it's cool.

iliveonanisland 04-30-2015 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Stormrider (Post 4298632)
6s are much heavier than the 3s.
Will screw up the boat's COG if the boat was built w/ 3s originally.

on a tank like the 41 apache i wouldnt think it would make a bit of difference

cig92 04-30-2015 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Unlimited jd (Post 4298723)
I hear this cog issue over and over again, how many apaches have 6's on them? And how many were actually built with them?
Take a 37 outerlimits stilletto for example, same bottom, same cockpit and cabin layout but you could buy the boat with side by side bravos, stag bravos, side by side 5's stag 5's, stag 6's or triple bravo, yet no one complains the cog is screwy.... Unless something is WAY off like a 28 saber I know with the fuel tank behind the rear seat and a Konrad ace on a box i have yet to see a major cog issue.

the center of gravity makes a big difference on an apache. if it wasn't built as a 6 boat then there is substantial work that needs to be done to make it preform/ work properly. what i was told is if it was built as a 3 boat then leave it as a 3 boat. i have spoken with mark m. on this topic and i would think he would know.

Unlimited jd 05-01-2015 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by cig92 (Post 4298847)
the center of gravity makes a big difference on an apache. if it wasn't built as a 6 boat then there is substantial work that needs to be done to make it preform/ work properly. what i was told is if it was built as a 3 boat then leave it as a 3 boat. i have spoken with mark m. on this topic and i would think he would know.

So what was changed on island racer? Anyone have pics of these substantial changes or is the cog all screwed up on it? It was built before the 6 drive even existed wasn't it?

frickstyle 05-01-2015 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by cig92 (Post 4298847)
the center of gravity makes a big difference on an apache. if it wasn't built as a 6 boat then there is substantial work that needs to be done to make it preform/ work properly. what i was told is if it was built as a 3 boat then leave it as a 3 boat. i have spoken with mark m. on this topic and i would think he would know.

Just curious here, are we talking about a really well setup race boat or a pleasure boat? I would think that changing a small percentage of overall weight on the transom would not have that big of an effect, then again, I have no experience to base this on.

14,000# boat (rough guess)
500# change in hardware (rough guess)
=3.6%

I guess that number is bigger than I thought, but still, will it upset the boat?

J-Bonz 05-01-2015 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4298966)
Just curious here, are we talking about a really well setup race boat or a pleasure boat? I would think that changing a small percentage of overall weight on the transom would not have that big of an effect, then again, I have no experience to base this on.

14,000# boat (rough guess)
500# change in hardware (rough guess)
=3.6%

I guess that number is bigger than I thought, but still, will it upset the boat?

Shouldn't it be looked as Force(mass) x Distance. So being the drives are most furthest aft that small amount of drives can have a significant change due to the distance from the CG. I am curios how the boats where set up differently. I imagine the main difference would be fuel tank location. I wonder if there where any other levers that could be pulled..... Engine location?

iliveonanisland 05-01-2015 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4298966)
Just curious here, are we talking about a really well setup race boat or a pleasure boat? I would think that changing a small percentage of overall weight on the transom would not have that big of an effect, then again, I have no experience to base this on.

14,000# boat (rough guess)
500# change in hardware (rough guess)
=3.6%

I guess that number is bigger than I thought, but still, will it upset the boat?

ALL apache 41s are wéll set up race boats!, but some do have a couch below deck for banging skanks between races

glenncal1 05-01-2015 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by iliveonanisland (Post 4298996)
ALL apache 41s are wéll set up race boats!, but some do have a couch below deck for banging skanks between races

So if I am with a nice wholesome woman I can't bang her on the Apache? :party-smiley-004:

Stormrider 05-01-2015 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by J-Bonz (Post 4298978)
Shouldn't it be looked as Force(mass) x Distance. So being the drives are most furthest aft that small amount of drives can have a significant change due to the distance from the CG. I am curios how the boats where set up differently. I imagine the main difference would be fuel tank location. I wonder if there where any other levers that could be pulled..... Engine location?

^^^ THIS ^^^

How about different layups, cabin vs no cabin, ballast tanks, etc...

Unlimited jd 05-01-2015 10:16 AM

So how is it they have side by or stag pleasure and race hulls? And some had extra large fuel tanks and storage for ummmm.... Well anyway how are they all so awesome if there are so many different configurations

frickstyle 05-01-2015 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by J-Bonz (Post 4298978)
Shouldn't it be looked as Force(mass) x Distance. So being the drives are most furthest aft that small amount of drives can have a significant change due to the distance from the CG. I am curios how the boats where set up differently. I imagine the main difference would be fuel tank location. I wonder if there where any other levers that could be pulled..... Engine location?

Yes, I meant to mention the relationship of the drive package COG to the boat COG (whole package), this would make a difference. I think we are splitting hairs here.

Comanche3Six 05-01-2015 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by glenncal1 (Post 4299060)
So if I am with a nice wholesome woman I can't bang her on the Apache? :party-smiley-004:

They would be included under the big bang theory, and as such would be fair game. It's all documented in the Apache manual.

Allrisks 05-01-2015 03:24 PM

The guy that owns the Canadian boat has had it a long time and did a complete refit in 2009/2010. He spent a lot of money and hardly uses the boat. If it has 20 hours on it since the refit it would surprise me. The drives might have 50 hours on them if that. I arranged for him to buy the drives awhile back when I worked at the Black & Blue company. know he had it surveyed back in 2010 and was valued at about double what he is asking. have not seen it run in a few years but ran good before the refit which I think was a SBS and now it is staggered.

iliveonanisland 05-01-2015 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by glenncal1 (Post 4299060)
So if I am with a nice wholesome woman I can't bang her on the Apache? :party-smiley-004:

I think u misunderstood me brah... but nice try with that whole nice holesum woman thing... carry on... rm

iliveonanisland 05-01-2015 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Unlimited jd (Post 4299072)
So how is it they have side by or stag pleasure and race hulls? And some had extra large fuel tanks and storage for ummmm.... Well anyway how are they all so awesome if there are so many different configurations

Because grasshopper, on the 8th day god created the APACHE 41... and because pam anderson lost her viginity in one... twiced... to 3 different guys...

14 apache 05-01-2015 05:34 PM

My boat was a #4 boat has #6s on it now only thing that needs to be done is a good set up with the 6s. Ill call :bsflag: that a #3 has to stay #3 and not go to a #6. :food-smiley-007:


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