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09-13-2002, 12:30 PM
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TOO OLD,
let me clarify my position for you since you seem to read things in my posts that are not there. i am not bashing fountain boats quality, did you read anything like that in my posts? apache/saber boats are what turns my crank, i never claimed they were superior to any other boat, did i? yes i do own my own company, not as large as reggies ,but small businesses have problems that big business does not have , bottom line is we all have business issues. i never questioned his management skills neither. my problem with him is he puts down two other well respected boat builders that have built a few boats that have kicked fountain butt more than once!where i come from that is arrogance, plain and simple. i may feel i build a better product than my competitor, thats fine, but i do not go around making blanket statements that basically are unprovable.IMHO his arrogance will be his downfall , as it has been with so many others.
let me clarify my position for you since you seem to read things in my posts that are not there. i am not bashing fountain boats quality, did you read anything like that in my posts? apache/saber boats are what turns my crank, i never claimed they were superior to any other boat, did i? yes i do own my own company, not as large as reggies ,but small businesses have problems that big business does not have , bottom line is we all have business issues. i never questioned his management skills neither. my problem with him is he puts down two other well respected boat builders that have built a few boats that have kicked fountain butt more than once!where i come from that is arrogance, plain and simple. i may feel i build a better product than my competitor, thats fine, but i do not go around making blanket statements that basically are unprovable.IMHO his arrogance will be his downfall , as it has been with so many others.
09-13-2002, 12:47 PM
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Re: Marketing genius?
Originally posted by Cigwillie
I'm not about to argue the fact, however, announcing your company is in danger of folding doesn't seem to be the best way to entice people to buy. Who wants to spend that kind of money only to have the company disappear? The threat of closing the doors at Fountain has been going on for some time now. It's amazing to me that anyone would buy a new Fountain for that reason alone.
I know Fountain a public company and its financial condition is a matter of public record. I wouldn't highlight it, though.
I guess it's the nature of the offshore beast that many manufacturers are not guaranteed tomorrow.
I'm not about to argue the fact, however, announcing your company is in danger of folding doesn't seem to be the best way to entice people to buy. Who wants to spend that kind of money only to have the company disappear? The threat of closing the doors at Fountain has been going on for some time now. It's amazing to me that anyone would buy a new Fountain for that reason alone.
I know Fountain a public company and its financial condition is a matter of public record. I wouldn't highlight it, though.
I guess it's the nature of the offshore beast that many manufacturers are not guaranteed tomorrow.
I'M NOT BASHING ANYONE , THERE ALOT OF NICE BOATS OT THERE
,WHEN YOUR ON TOP EVERYONE FIRES AT YOU,AND HE'S CERTAINLY ADVERTISED ENOUGH TO STAY IN THE SPOTLIGHT!!!!
HAVE A GOOD WEEK END MAY-BE WE WILL GET SOME RAIN TO REFILL OUR LAKES
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09-13-2002, 12:54 PM
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when you own a "orphan" value goes down ask a yugo owner. my question again, how can they 500+ boats a year at those prices and not make money?
09-13-2002, 01:08 PM
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I doubt they've been anywhere near 500/year in a few years...Ask anyone who used their shop during the sbi races...not a lot going on. Secondly, advertising and racing costs a nice chunk I'm sure. Warranty work also amounts to quite a substantial amount. Just look at the gas tank situations and fullthrottle42's situation. I'm sure there's plenty more.
It's also a fact that they're in some serious debt...That's a lot of money out the window when you're on the payment plan. There's more in the way of debt out there than there is inventory and capital.
That's just what I hear...
It's a sad shame too because Fountain makes one kick-ass boat...There records are undeniable...
It's also a fact that they're in some serious debt...That's a lot of money out the window when you're on the payment plan. There's more in the way of debt out there than there is inventory and capital.
That's just what I hear...
It's a sad shame too because Fountain makes one kick-ass boat...There records are undeniable...
09-13-2002, 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by SABER28
IMHO his arrogance will be his downfall , as it has been with so many others.
IMHO his arrogance will be his downfall , as it has been with so many others.
The boat speaks for itself.
Perhaps it's been foolish to blow away so much money on racing and hosting National race series. But when you're reputaion and ego depend on being out on the race course so you can put it in pring the next month, I guess it's a catch 22.
09-13-2002, 01:24 PM
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mr offshore,
mcdonalds sells more burgers than anyone, does that make their burgers better than anybody elses? some might argue that the more product you make the less you can control quality. employees simply do not care like an owner would. records are made to be broken and somebody will top him before you know it. bottom like is top speed is just one measure of boat performance.
mcdonalds sells more burgers than anyone, does that make their burgers better than anybody elses? some might argue that the more product you make the less you can control quality. employees simply do not care like an owner would. records are made to be broken and somebody will top him before you know it. bottom like is top speed is just one measure of boat performance.
09-13-2002, 01:34 PM
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mcdonalds sells more burgers because they advertise more that anyone else and they have more locations than BK, wendys, etc.
yes i know subway now has more locations, there is REAL marketing genius, getting you to pay $7 for a cold sandwich that you could make a home for $1.
yes i know subway now has more locations, there is REAL marketing genius, getting you to pay $7 for a cold sandwich that you could make a home for $1.
09-13-2002, 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by SABER28
mcdonalds sells more burgers because they advertise more that anyone else and they have more locations than BK, wendys, etc.
yes i know subway now has more locations, there is REAL marketing genius, getting you to pay $7 for a cold sandwich that you could make a home for $1.
mcdonalds sells more burgers because they advertise more that anyone else and they have more locations than BK, wendys, etc.
yes i know subway now has more locations, there is REAL marketing genius, getting you to pay $7 for a cold sandwich that you could make a home for $1.
NOT TO ARGUE,AREN'T THEY STILL NUMBER ONE THOUGH ??
THEY GOT FROM ONE BURGER TO NUMBER ONE BY TONS OF HARD WORK AND HAVE STAYED NUMBER ONE ,I AGREE ON SUBWAY,
09-13-2002, 01:46 PM
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mike
i'm curious what info. do you use to rank boats? that's a large can of worms your opening
i'm curious what info. do you use to rank boats? that's a large can of worms your opening
