Yeh, buy them a new Volvo too. Jeesh.
Don't let them drive boats.
Don't let them drive motorcycles.
Don't let them drive snowmobiles.
Ah, the Volvo thing, screw it. Don't let them drive cars period.

Racing ? Hah !

Don't let them Mountain Hike or Bike.
Don't let them Travel or go out for the night.

Don't let them join the Armed Forces.

Don't let them be a Pilot.

Nothing with thrills or excitement, cause that comes from possible danger.

+++++++++++++++

Non sarcastically,

We can educate them all we want, which we should try to do.

14-18 or more....many boys feel invinceable. Many find out they aren't.

Last thing we want to do is keep them home with their bedroom door locked for good. That's no way to live.

Thats what really makes me emotional about all this.... There wasnt a car crash, or a fall or a story of any sort. Nobody will ever know.

Zero closure will haunt these parents forever. Nobody should ever have to go thru this especially for a 14 year old.

The search will continue.

http://www.gofundme.com/perryandaustin

A very sad day for all involved, but assigning blame to the the grand parents??? Were you there?
Phuk, kids are going to be kids.! If my parents knew half the things I did I'd have never made it out of my teenage years.

Messages with donations very touching / emotional.

Thank you for the link !

Yetti Coolers put up $25,000 !

I have been around kids like this. all full of them selves and young and scared of nothing.

I was in the Commercial Para sail business for 20 years off and on, I had tough little Runts like this that worked for me. they were tough and had great ideals but their over all seamanship was sadly lacking.

Fact of the matter is if you are a Mile offshore and in the water and the wind is strong and blowing you offshore you are PHUCKED.


Most of the time when a Offshore wind is blowing it is strong and prominent, and the surface current is moving with the wind at a very strong 1 to 2 mph. These means if you breakdown or are in the water the surface current is driving you away from the shore 2 miles an hour.

If you are so Blessed to land in 80 degree and above water you may last 24 to 48 hours if you are in the Great Lakes you are Dead in 4 - 6 hours Tops.


Epirbs are 300 bucks LifeRafts and Satellite Phones much more but when you ARE ALONE bobbing in the drink what would you like to rely on to communicate with the people on shore to find you?


I would love to be wrong but the truth of the matter is they went to the stern after the motor quit and because the boat was drifting stern 1st to the waves it quickly swamped and than rolled over. The boys were in sight of land when it occurred and made a swim for it with out life jackets because

1 They are tough little chits

and

2 You can not make any headway swimming in a life jacket.

Sadly I feel they drowned before the 1st night by abandoning the boat and making a run for it .

I was brought up this way since I started sailing on my dads 48 foot sailboat sailing all throughout the Great Lakes at the age of 5 and always had this hammered in my head by everyone.


The Number ONE RULE is STAY WITH THE BOAT



ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS


STAY with the BOAT

It seems we've had quite a few drownings here in the north this summer too. Several teens drowning at beaches because they can't swim well. An overturned boat and two lost. Another young man fell off a boat and disappeared on the Detroit River. Every case is sad and tragic and hindsight is still always 20/20. We can probably all learn something from this though. Especially those who boat on salt water. At least on the Great Lakes we can drink the water. The price of a basic epirb or plb needs to come down. If the Coast guard made them available cheap it could save a lot of money on these epic searches and, more importantly, could save a lot of lives.

You must be kidding! 300 bucks seems cheap as hell to me to save my life or the life of the ones I love. The kids (at 14) had 110 bucks for fuel that day. Most of us spend more than 300 a weekend easy boating.

The shame to me is that they didn't have the proper equip,met and knowledge to be out that day.....the cost was absolutely insignificant.

If people, no matter the boat, can't afford 300 bucks then they are lying to themselves. We all have money for what is a priority and need to have.

Yeti got a lot of exposure and I'm sure would have used these kids in an ad or something if they were found.

Crazy part is one kid's family is rich! Great grandfather was one of the biggest homebuilders in the state, sold the company to Pulte for 400 million or something. H just flipped a parcel of land earlier this year for 41 million dollar profit and he owned it about 20 months.

Good post and I suspect you are on the right track with the let's swim for it since we can see land idea.....but we can't wear jackets since they are tough to swim in and we don't need the cooler to hang onto since we will be on land in an hour or less......

Some EPIRB's start sending out the signal if they get wet/submerged so if that was the case the coast guard might have gotten an early jump on the search. Some PLB's are small like a cell phone so they can be clipped to a life jacket. One I saw even had a strobe light! PLB's need to be activated manually so obviously you have to be near it to use it.

Anyone know why the Coast Guard left the overturned boat in the water after they found it? Didn't see any reports that it was brought in at the time, would think that with an investigation of the boat they may be able to come up with some more accurate details . i.e.. engine failure, electronics on board etc..

I know $300 bucks isn't a lot but how many of us have an epirb on board? For $50 I bet just about everyone who goes off-shore would have one. As soon as it hits the water it is activated and the Coast guard knows where to go. It's just a thought.

I believe the boat was anchored when found and then later recovered by Sea Tow or someone.

A plb or Epirb signal is only picked up by a satellite every 4 to 6 hours.. Than it takes the CG an hour to determine if the signal is a real emergency by calling the contact number that the unit is registered to.

After that they will dispatch a Lear jet to investigate followed by the helicopter or C130 depending on the type of emergency.

Now if they knew the boys were missing they would have had to still wait for the signal to be picked up by a current satellite .

Best bet when going offshore is file a float plan with the Coast Guard..

Tell them when you are leaving ,where you are going and what course you will be heading and what you final destination is with you approximate arrival time.

If they do not hear back from you when you at your agreed upon time they call you up on the radio and if no answer they come look for you.

Easy as that .

I spent 2 days bobbing around in the Gulf in 15 foot waves on a dismasted 53 foot sailboat.and it was Hell, I would not wanted to have been in the water that whole time.

.CG came out in a Lear about 8 hours after i set off the Epirb

EPIRB or not they were 14 years old. We all have theory's but I live among alot of these kids. They are way more experienced that a lot of people give them credit. In south florida you drive a boat instead of riding a bike. Some of these kids handle their skiffs like pros fisherman. They were well trained and have the skills to prove it. I think this whole incident is more catastrophic. They went out, got into a storm and hit a swell. The boat went over and they were already under or too confused after the accident to get to the boat. Thats it.... no floating, no life jacket. They flipped and were unfortunately killed and or drowned last Friday. Too many planes and personnel were out there looking. If they were alive they would have found them.

^ Yes, you are right. The young age is what makes it so sad. We had another drowning here on Lake St. Clair last night. Still looking for the body of a fire chief who jumped in the lake to retrieve a hat and went under.

How long ago was this? According to this video from ACR the low orbit satellites pass every 90minutes and the high orbit satellites are in constant view and if there is a GPS coordinate built into the signal they can receive the location. Maybe the signal times and system has improved?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m78j0TIeVg

Again, you are kidding yourself. Coast guard safety checks are free......how many do them?

Not being a dick, the cost is not the issue, stupidly is.

Education is the key to safety.

If we can afford to run a boat we can afford the right safety gear. How many BM's always carry an EPIRB and check their fire extinguisher(s) regularly? I have been guilty on both counts. I can well afford the small price but get lazy and apathetic about safety. I take it for granted I will never get into trouble and my mobile phone would save me anyway. Truth is, I am way wrong.

Go check your safety gear before your next day out.

It takes an incident like this to wake people up. If the end result makes a few boaters update their gear then some good can still come out of a terrible situation.

RR

Wow, now the boat they found is missing.......

It might have sunk.....

I didn't understand why they didn't send a recovery team the moment they found it. My guess would be cost. Since they found the boat there has been some good size storms out there, so sinking or drifting is a very good possibility. But I am sure there will be some conspiracy theories coming from this missing boat no doubt.

And when they said they anchored it, the boat was in at least 1000'+ of water!

I am not sure but I think read that they leave the boat in the water to follow the float pattern. This is assuming the potential survivors are somewhere near it in the same current.

Ah, that makes sense.

Things like this do happen on the great lakes far to often tommy monza is so correct, unable to get off a distrees call or get your body out of the water your life span is hours not days life vest or not. The news says water temp is 70 go3 miles out 2 foot below the surface its numbing.

Saw this, sorry for the families;

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/09...?intcmp=hplnws

Supposedly some new camera footage:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/pos...t-sea/35278388

And apparently people do not learn from past events!!!!! Another boat that is way too small for the open water with teens on board!!!

Hopefully this nonprofit organization the parents are setting up in their children's name will be an effective teaching tool, because clearly the event that happened a month and half ago hasn't sunk in.

These kids are lucky they were not part of another sad headline.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...327787811.html

double post

The "new video" footage is a waste of time. It is all from this site: http://www.evsjupiter.com/
Still photos are taken every few minutes and video like once an hour.

What would be more interesting is finding debris from the capsized boat. If the boat flipped over just outside of the inlet then the fishing poles, anchor (assuming it was loose), knives, gaff, boat tools/parts would have landed on the bottom of the ocean in 25-40 ft of water. There is a huge treasure hunting boat that anchors on three pilings right on the south side of that inlet (boat puts down the 3 pilings and lifts 80+ ft boat out of the water). If that boat spent a couple days scanning the ocean floor it probably could get a read on stuff, after all it spent weeks looking for gold coins which are smaller.

My gut feeling on the situation. Kids got dumped just outside the inlet (1/2 mile or so). They figured since they could see land that they could easily swim for it forgoing life jackets/cooler/hanging on to the boat and lost their lives trying to swim against the current that pulled them out to sea.

They found the boat and an iPhone. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/23...ntcmp=obinsite

Yeah this is really puzzling since they found it once before but supposedly were very involved with the search.

So they just left the boat and didnt check for clues or information? WTF?

From the Fox report .... * The Coast Guard initially located the boat off New Smyrna Beach, but the company hired by the Coast Guard to bring the boat back couldn't find it. *

That happened months ago and it was also repeated on one of the National newses last night .

They found the abandoned boat but it was lost again before the company hired to retrieve it could get to it.

Couldn't they call the local authorities? If it were me, I would be all over it.

At one point wasnt it seen as far north as Cape Hattaras?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say

'Couldn't they call the local authorities? If it were me, I would be all over it.'

It must have been awful though for the families to go through seeing the boat found and then lost again .

I don't get it. Two 14 year olds missing and they didn't secure the boat when they first found it? We are not talking about someone's lost dingy. To depend on Tow Boat to get it was a joke and incompetence. Not saying they (the CG) should have brought the boat back but you would think they would have someone board it and see if there was any clues to what happened.

I would blame the CG for leaving it for another boat to tow in. CG would waste a few hours towing it in. Not much evidence onboard unless the empty boat could speak. I fished a lot when a kid, even by myself or with friends at 13/14. A boat like theirs, wouldn't take much to swamp it, especially if they lost the engine. Its tragic, but the parents shouldn't have let them go out as far as they did. I was on the ocean as a kid, but I had limits to areas the chop was very small on average, more like a small lake.

iPhone of teens lost at sea discovered months later
They never even looked in the boat. That's what I'm talking about being incompetence. These were 2 missing kids and they found the boat but it wasn't worth securing until they could get it towed in? If they found a car of 2 missing kids they wouldn't leave it on the side of the road for someone to come back and find later. Who knows what those kids were up to. What if they were kidnapped and there was signs of a struggle. What wasn't in the boat? How much gas was left being they bought extra? Maybe the cell phone had a clue. They are going to look pretty stupid if on the phone was their whole plan (good or bad) or maybe some gps info showing exactly where they were the first day or so.

Saw this yesterday. Found the boat 100 miles off Bermuda in a shipping lane. Really sad sequence of events all around with this one.