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Matt Trulio 10-05-2015 10:18 AM

Active Thunder Reintroducing Banshee As Open-Bow As 23-Footer
 
Active Thunder continues to focus on entry-level models, http://speedonthewater.com/new-boats...w-as-23-footer.

onesickpantera 10-05-2015 10:43 AM

Looks like Pat's son has his ear! IMO, a great move to build brand loyalty.

low_psi 10-05-2015 11:59 AM

How about an Active Thunder Center Console??? :party-smiley-004:

Knot 4 Me 10-05-2015 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by low_psi (Post 4362514)
How about an Active Thunder Center Console??? :party-smiley-004:

Don't poke the bear!!!

Sydwayz 10-05-2015 12:10 PM

Is that a bustle???!!!

Matt Trulio 10-05-2015 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 4362520)
Is that a bustle???!!!

More like stylish tail fins. :)

Sydwayz 10-05-2015 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Trulio (Post 4362573)
More like stylish tail fins. :)

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I can dig it! :D

Actually, it's pretty badass looking. The profile view is almost parabolic, and will provide a nice deep freeboard for backseat passengers in the outboard version, and plenty of bilge depth for 'tall' engine packages.

mikebrls 10-05-2015 06:08 PM

Come on now , I love A.T , But to call a 23 foot open bow boat entry level @ $ 85 ,000. OUCH . to be competitive with the open bow market that price will have to be dropped almost in half .

ActiveThunder 10-05-2015 06:31 PM

It's an entry level open bow for those who can afford a boat built with the same materials and design we have on the big boat as well as the quality hardware. It will be vacuum bagged, pure AME 6000 resin and tri-directional laminates cored with divinycell and Coosa transom and stringers.

It's only going to be "ouch" to those who don't know better, wouldn't you agree?


Originally Posted by mikebrls (Post 4362645)
Come on now , I love A.T , But to call a 23 foot open bow boat entry level @ $ 85 ,000. OUCH . to be competitive with the open bow market that price will have to be dropped almost in half .


Matt Trulio 10-05-2015 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by mikebrls (Post 4362645)
Come on now , I love A.T , But to call a 23 foot open bow boat entry level @ $ 85 ,000. OUCH . to be competitive with the open bow market that price will have to be dropped almost in half .

With all due respect I have to ask: To which open-bow boat market are you referring? List price of the 2014 Yamaha 242 Limited S sportboat is $56,799. Yes, that's a lot of boat for the money, but Yamaha controls every aspect of the supply chain from stamping out the hulls and decks to building the power. And even with all of their production units—far more in 2014 than Sea Ray and rest of the stern-drive runabout market combined—the best Yamaha can do on a 24-foot production-line built jetboat is $54,000 and change.

You are aware, of course, that the profit margin on small boats is much, much less than of the profit margin on larger boats, that a few more feet of fiberglass and resin—relative to the next of costs involved in boat building—are negligible, right?

So while we'd all like to see new single-engine sportboats in the $40,000 range, we won't. The costs of building and powering them are simply too high. But don't take my word for it—ask any manufacturer. From go-fast boats to aircraft, "entry-level is relative..

mikebrls 10-05-2015 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 4362656)
It's an entry level open bow for those who can afford a boat built with the same materials and design we have on the big boat as well as the quality hardware. It will be vacuum bagged, pure AME 6000 resin and tri-directional laminates cored with divinycell and Coosa transom and stringers.

It's only going to be "ouch" to those who don't know better, wouldn't you agree?

Pat , Your rite , it was just sticker shock for me when I think Bow rider , first thing that came to mind are the Yammi's between the $ 40 and $ 50 k range
Sorry for the over reaction,
mike

Feverz29 10-06-2015 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by mikebrls (Post 4362682)
Pat , Your rite , it was just sticker shock for me when I think Bow rider , first thing that came to mind are the Yammi's between the $ 40 and $ 50 k range
Sorry for the over reaction,
mike

I'm not sure it was an over reaction or just a normal reaction to the price of a 23' boat. This is not a bash on this boat because I think AT is leading the industry in developing new styles and brining the price point down to where it becomes possible to buy a new boat, but still for the very few. The average person would not know how the boat is manufactured and may not inquire just because of the price.

Knot 4 Me 10-06-2015 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by mikebrls (Post 4362645)
Come on now , I love A.T , But to call a 23 foot open bow boat entry level @ $ 85 ,000. OUCH . to be competitive with the open bow market that price will have to be dropped almost in half .

Go price a 23' runabout from the production builders.

Knot 4 Me 10-06-2015 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Feverz29 (Post 4362849)
I'm not sure it was an over reaction or just a normal reaction to the price of a 23' boat. This is not a bash on this boat because I think AT is leading the industry in developing new styles and brining the price point down to where it becomes possible to buy a new boat, but still for the very few. The average person would not know how the boat is manufactured and may not inquire just because of the price.

Yes, for those not in the know the price of these boats will set you back on your heels. A quick look at Chaparral's website shows their 250 Suncoast model (25' open bow w/outboard power) has a base MSRP of $80,551. That is with the base Yamaha F250XA and no options.

wfo1 10-06-2015 08:29 AM

I have a buddy that bought a Rinker 246 bow rider this spring for just over $70k, so I think the price is inline with the market. The real issue is that entry level doesn't exist in boating anymore. My in-laws little 18' runabout was over 30k.

Captain YARRR 10-06-2015 09:01 AM

Beautiful lines...that will be a sharp ride for sure. Very cool to see the moves AT is making.

Perlmudder 10-06-2015 09:45 AM

Try pricing a ski/wakeboard boat. Those are well over 100k for your average Nautique, Tige, Malibu, Mastercraft, etc.

Knot 4 Me 10-06-2015 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by wfo1 (Post 4362883)
I have a buddy that bought a Rinker 246 bow rider this spring for just over $70k, so I think the price is inline with the market. The real issue is that entry level doesn't exist in boating anymore. My in-laws little 18' runabout was over 30k.

In 1999 I ordered a brand new 232 Rinker open bow (pretty much everything came standard on them back then) with a 5.7L EFI/Bravo III on a Heritage trailer for $29,400. I also had a brand new Chevy 1500 Z-71 extended cab. Combined the two where around $60K. You can't do the boat for that now. So it is tougher and tougher for younger people to enter the market.

Jupiter Sunsation 10-06-2015 09:59 AM

21 foot Chris Craft is a work of art but priced like it too!

93K with a single 300

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2015...s#.VhPhmPlVhBc

Jupiter Sunsation 10-06-2015 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 4362915)
In 1999 I ordered a brand new 232 Rinker open bow (pretty much everything came standard on them back then) with a 5.7L EFI/Bravo III on a Heritage trailer for $29,400. I also had a brand new Chevy 1500 Z-71 extended cab. Combined the two where around $60K. You can't do the boat for that now. So it is tougher and tougher for younger people to enter the market.

Hard to get that truck under 50K alone either!

2002 I bought an M3 convertible new with a few options and it was $56,900. Today a loaded 335 (not an M car) exceeds 57k!

MonkeySea2 10-06-2015 11:52 AM

I applaud the boys at AT for their efforts to open up the world of performance boating to guys with families and needs for more space. And if you look at the price of premium bowriders from the likes of Cobalt, Chaparral, etc., the price isn't out of the ballpark. Way to go Pat, keep em coming


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