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JaayTeee 12-19-2015 11:12 AM

what went wrong ?
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/12...g-down-at.html

wrong oil ?, wrong, type of heads, cam, rods, rings?....wrong "engine designer"?....did it have XR drives ?.....did it have used 1075 parts in it ?

F-2 Speedy 12-19-2015 11:19 AM

cable broke on the steering ?? maybe the alpha went south

Sydwayz 12-19-2015 11:24 AM

Cruiser wake dislodged the oil pump. Kaboom.

"metal debris collected in the lube oil filer, causing the system to shut down"
That's the PC/DNC way of saying "we blew a motor."

Like I heard once:
'It was an electrical connectivity problem. The piston came up, and whacked the spark plug, which knocked the spark plug wire off.'

Pete B 12-19-2015 11:30 AM

Gas turbines!

JaayTeee 12-19-2015 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Pete B (Post 4386604)
Gas turbines!

There's no several page threads and bickering on OSO about gas turbines ;)

Marginmn 12-19-2015 12:28 PM

I was a Gas Turbine Tech in the Navy - even pre-commished a cruiser at Bath Iron Works where this ship was built.

What shut this ship down was the most feared casualty to the main propulsion system that can happen: FUD (Fuk... Up Debris) in the main Reduction Gear Lube Oil System. The snipe on watch probably discovered it when he was cleaning the lube oil purifier soon after the ship got underway - a task I did so many times while I was in watch in the engine room. Not sure if the reduction gear locked up or if they just kept finding shavings and shut it down before the inevitable.

The main reduction gear is kept under lock and key because it would be so easy to incapacitate the ship by throwing something in there and in 99% of cases if something does go wrong with the reduction gear it's beyond the capacity of the ships personal to fix it. That's a job for the shipyard and the boys at Western Gear. http://youtu.be/YLQW2QJ_fzQ

F-2 Speedy 12-19-2015 12:33 PM

could of been the caterpillar propulsion drive system failure

Speedracer29 12-19-2015 12:44 PM

My guess is the multicombulator disconfigured. Sixty percent of the time it'll get you every time.

weldcrane 12-19-2015 01:36 PM

Ethanol gas ate the fuel tanks

Too Stroked 12-19-2015 02:27 PM

The Flux Capacitor failed to discharge causing the Turbo Encabulator (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag) to toss it's cookies into the Drive Lube Reservoir. This in turn fed radioactive debris into the Alpha Drive. Since the Navy had something bigger than a small block powering the ship, I doubt Mercury will warranty the fix. This means the tax payer will be on the hook for it - again.

phragle 12-19-2015 03:57 PM

Muslim mechanic.....

Black Baja 12-19-2015 04:03 PM

Chinese parts

JaayTeee 12-19-2015 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by 33outlawsst (Post 4386609)
could of been the caterpillar propulsion drive system failure

Might have been the 7th fetzer valve....or the bypass line

akaboatman 12-19-2015 04:07 PM

I heard the under water drain plug led light was still working just fine.

Brandonb_05 12-19-2015 04:23 PM

All good guesses but obviously the problem was the wrong engine oil was used. Only if they were OSO members they would have known the proper oil to use.

phragle 12-19-2015 04:30 PM

The Bob Straub cam reverted with dry exhaust

Brandonb_05 12-19-2015 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4386665)
The Bob Straub cam reverted with dry exhaust

With straight out of the box AFR heads

JaayTeee 12-19-2015 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 4386608)
I was a Gas Turbine Tech in the Navy - even pre-commished a cruiser at Bath Iron Works where this ship was built.

What shut this ship down was the most feared casualty to the main propulsion system that can happen: FUD (Fuk... Up Debris) in the main Reduction Gear Lube Oil System. The snipe on watch probably discovered it when he was cleaning the lube oil purifier soon after the ship got underway - a task I did so many times while I was in watch in the engine room. Not sure if the reduction gear locked up or if they just kept finding shavings and shut it down before the inevitable.

The main reduction gear is kept under lock and key because it would be so easy to incapacitate the ship by throwing something in there and in 99% of cases if something does go wrong with the reduction gear it's beyond the capacity of the ships personal to fix it. That's a job for the shipyard and the boys at Western Gear. http://youtu.be/YLQW2QJ_fzQ

So, what you're saying is that their having XR drive issues on a much grander scale...junk on the magnets or something went BOOM ;)

Speedracer29 12-19-2015 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Brandonb_05 (Post 4386661)
All good guesses but obviously the problem was the wrong engine oil was used. Only if they were OSO members they would have known the proper oil to use.

Eff it, we're two pages into this and it snowed last night..... So.....

WHICH OIL IS THE CORRECT OIL ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????

Brandonb_05 12-19-2015 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Speedracer29 (Post 4386671)
Eff it, we're two pages into this and it snowed last night..... So.....

WHICH OIL IS THE CORRECT OIL ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????

The castrol gtx bottle at advance looks cool, I would go with that one.

Speedracer29 12-19-2015 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Brandonb_05 (Post 4386673)
The castrol gtx bottle at advance looks cool, I would go with that one.

But, but, but, .... It doesn't say "compatible with naval grade engines" on the back and I can't find the required ASE spec.... Guess it's Wolf's Head from here on out, LOL.

Brandonb_05 12-19-2015 04:53 PM

If this keeps up someone is going to have to rename this thread to " looking back on OSO 2015"

phragle 12-19-2015 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by Speedracer29 (Post 4386675)
But, but, but, .... It doesn't say "compatible with naval grade engines" on the back and I can't find the required ASE spec.... Guess it's Wolf's Head from here on out, LOL.

Thats because you got it at walmart and walmart stuff is different then regular store stuff. even though your supposed to think it is the same

phragle 12-19-2015 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Brandonb_05 (Post 4386666)
With straight out of the box AFR heads

Always check out of the box anything you get at AutoZone

mike tkach 12-19-2015 06:25 PM

the facts are in,the afr head stuck a valve in the guide because the water got 2 deg colder up north!:lolhit::lolhit::crazy:

minx163 12-19-2015 06:38 PM

Not to worry, Turkey's new stealth ships are working flawlessly :flag:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZkmh1hnxms

Questofpower 12-19-2015 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 4386608)
I was a Gas Turbine Tech in the Navy - even pre-commished a cruiser at Bath Iron Works where this ship was built.

What shut this ship down was the most feared casualty to the main propulsion system that can happen: FUD (Fuk... Up Debris) in the main Reduction Gear Lube Oil System. The snipe on watch probably discovered it when he was cleaning the lube oil purifier soon after the ship got underway - a task I did so many times while I was in watch in the engine room. Not sure if the reduction gear locked up or if they just kept finding shavings and shut it down before the inevitable.

The main reduction gear is kept under lock and key because it would be so easy to incapacitate the ship by throwing something in there and in 99% of cases if something does go wrong with the reduction gear it's beyond the capacity of the ships personal to fix it. That's a job for the shipyard and the boys at Western Gear. http://youtu.be/YLQW2QJ_fzQ

Me too cleaned that thing countless times, always on the mid watch. I was a GSE on a FFG and I completely agree that it has to be a Main Reduction Gear failure it's the only thing that makes sense.

Looking back these ships are really quite impressive GE LM2500'S 20,000 -25,000 hp Gas Turbines depending on the ship that they are on. The main reduction gear is almost a work of art 9ft bull gear, double helical double reduction, 3600RPM input 200RPM output tolerances measured in the thousands of an inch. Pretty neat.

JaayTeee 12-19-2015 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by Speedracer29 (Post 4386671)
Eff it, we're two pages into this and it snowed last night..... So.....

WHICH OIL IS THE CORRECT OIL ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????

Something that contains potassium and vitamin A.....better yet, ask Borgie

SB 12-19-2015 08:16 PM

Instead of hiring Professionals, they went on a forum OCO (OffshoreCombatOnly.com) and asked how they should build it.

VoodooRob 12-19-2015 08:20 PM

Merc Spec CMI headers are the likely culprit

Brandonb_05 12-19-2015 08:50 PM

Maybe they will just sell the ship and smokin gun will buy it :evilb:

JaayTeee 12-19-2015 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by Brandonb_05 (Post 4386748)
Maybe they will just sell the ship and smokin gun will buy it :evilb:

If that's the case, let's hope the trailer is set up correctly

vindicator101 12-19-2015 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 4386608)
I was a Gas Turbine Tech in the Navy - even pre-commished a cruiser at Bath Iron Works where this ship was built.

What shut this ship down was the most feared casualty to the main propulsion system that can happen: FUD (Fuk... Up Debris) in the main Reduction Gear Lube Oil System. The snipe on watch probably discovered it when he was cleaning the lube oil purifier soon after the ship got underway - a task I did so many times while I was in watch in the engine room. Not sure if the reduction gear locked up or if they just kept finding shavings and shut it down before the inevitable.

The main reduction gear is kept under lock and key because it would be so easy to incapacitate the ship by throwing something in there and in 99% of cases if something does go wrong with the reduction gear it's beyond the capacity of the ships personal to fix it. That's a job for the shipyard and the boys at Western Gear. http://youtu.be/YLQW2QJ_fzQ


Originally Posted by Questofpower (Post 4386719)
Me too cleaned that thing countless times, always on the mid watch. I was a GSE on a FFG and I completely agree that it has to be a Main Reduction Gear failure it's the only thing that makes sense.

Looking back these ships are really quite impressive GE LM2500'S 20,000 -25,000 hp Gas Turbines depending on the ship that they are on. The main reduction gear is almost a work of art 9ft bull gear, double helical double reduction, 3600RPM input 200RPM output tolerances measured in the thousands of an inch. Pretty neat.

Ah yes. Even an old MM like me can remember cleaning all those discs.

Marginmn 12-19-2015 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by vindicator101 (Post 4386753)
Ah yes. Even an old MM like me can remember cleaning all those discs.

Yep, the good ole De Laval Lube oil purifier - had to clean every one of those dam 32 disks :).

Small world Questofpower. I was a GSM5 on the Stark, FFG 31. I got off of her right before she geared up for her deployment to the Gulf in 87 and was struck by that Iraqi plane. The week I got out of the Navy all of the Flags were at half mast in honor of the 37 sailors lost in that attack. I had been off her for 9 months but I knew over half of the sailors that were lost. The ones that lived went thru hell keeping that ship afloat and then were treated like **** by the Navy because I guess they somehow blamed them for letting her get hit.

rak rua 12-19-2015 09:31 PM

I'll bet it had something to do with operating in salt water. Would never have happened if they'd have stuck to the lakes.

phragle 12-19-2015 09:38 PM

Its already on Facebook Powerboat SwapShop being parted out.

Marginmn 12-19-2015 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Questofpower (Post 4386719)
Me too cleaned that thing countless times, always on the mid watch. I was a GSE on a FFG and I completely agree that it has to be a Main Reduction Gear failure it's the only thing that makes sense.

Looking back these ships are really quite impressive GE LM2500'S 20,000 -25,000 hp Gas Turbines depending on the ship that they are on. The main reduction gear is almost a work of art 9ft bull gear, double helical double reduction, 3600RPM input 200RPM output tolerances measured in the thousands of an inch. Pretty neat.

That's me 30 years ago between the LM 2500's on station while going through the Panama Canal Seems like another lifetime. Wish I could go back to those times and do a couple more days at seas then one more port of call with the gang. :)

F-2 Speedy 12-19-2015 10:06 PM

Thank you for your service ^^^^^^

Speedracer29 12-19-2015 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4386764)
Its already on Facebook Powerboat SwapShop being parted out.

I'll anxiously await the upcoming threads "I don't have a manual, why won't my gas turbine engine run?" and of course, in the Beware and Stolen section "US Government robbed me on parts deal!!!"

articfriends 12-19-2015 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 4386759)
Yep, the good ole De Laval Lube oil purifier - had to clean every one of those dam 32 disks :).

Small world Questofpower. I was a GSM5 on the Stark, FFG 31. I got off of her right before she geared up for her deployment to the Gulf in 87 and was struck by that Iraqi plane. The week I got out of the Navy all of the Flags were at half mast in honor of the 37 sailors lost in that attack. I had been off her for 9 months but I knew over half of the sailors that were lost. The ones that lived went thru hell keeping that ship afloat and then were treated like **** by the Navy because I guess they somehow blamed them for letting her get hit.

I was in the gulf on deployment when that happened or right after if I rmemeber correctly, didnt they have some aegis weapon defense radar that wasnt on? I remember the first missle that hit it didnt explode then second one did. The captain got recomended fo court martial for allegedly being a derelict but knowing the Navy like I do he was most likely a scape goat!


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