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RedDog382 12-23-2015 09:08 AM

Nitrogen at home
 
Have a few vehicles running nitrogen in the tires, thinking of rigging a nitrogen cylinder at home to keep tire pressures topped off instead of having to stop by the tire store with weather changes, etc. The BMW dealership here in Vegas claims they don't have it available in their service department. Anyone else who has done this or that can recommend a safe way to regulate the supply line and inflator?

DBleil89 12-23-2015 09:38 AM

Just do what Hvac technician's do. You buy a jug once then pay for refills. You get a regulator and then a 1/4" refrigeration hose. Put a 1/4" service fitting on a air Chuck and you are good to go. All of which are easy to get. Grainger should be able to get the hose, regulator, and fittings needed.

Wildman_grafix 12-23-2015 11:01 AM

Shouldn't be hard, we use the large nitrogen tanks (look like home gas welding O2 tanks) on our systems. Most have a 580 (I think) fitting on it that we put a regulator on and hook your hose up. Tanks full are 2000psi.

302Sport 12-23-2015 11:06 AM

Nitrogen in tires : snake oil

phragle 12-23-2015 11:15 AM

Like has been said, just go to airgas etc and get a bottle. ILet me look when I get home from work, I may have a nitrogen regulator laying around that didnt go high enough (over 200 psi) from when I was rebuilding shocks. If I still have it its yours. that will save you a few bucks. Though honestly there really isnt much reason to run nitrogen in passenger car tires. something like Nascar where you want a consistant inflation/diameter sure (nitrogen is much more thermically stable i.e. wont expand as tire gets warm).

Craney 12-23-2015 04:42 PM

What's the advantage of nitrogen over air!!!!

RedDog382 12-23-2015 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4387623)
Though honestly there really isnt much reason to run nitrogen in passenger car tires. something like Nascar where you want a consistant inflation/diameter sure (nitrogen is much more thermically stable i.e. wont expand as tire gets warm).

Not exactly NASCAR, but next best thing. Competition package with 575 hp twin turbo. Also have extremely variable temperatures here in Vegas. Tires don't last long in this environment. I've seen temperature swings as much as 60* from day to night. Air temps as high as 116* at the dock make for some pretty hot roads and tire temps on the nearly hour-long tow getting to Lake Mead, two hours and even hotter temps getting down to Havasu.

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RedDog382 12-23-2015 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Craney (Post 4387694)
What's the advantage of nitrogen over air!!!!

Larger more heat-stable molecule. Less seepage thru tire wall and bead. More consistent pressures making for improved tire wear and safety in extreme environments (from everything I have read).

offshoredrillin 12-23-2015 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by RedDog382 (Post 4387704)
Larger more heat-stable molecule. Less seepage thru tire wall and bead. More consistent pressures making for improved tire wear and safety in extreme environments (from everything I have read).

Hey Chris, hope all is well. One of the biggest benefit ofnit is that it wont hold moisture and rot the tires from the inside out. Ever let air out of a tire and it stinks to high heaven, thats the rhbber decomposing from the heat cycle with reg air.

Indy 12-23-2015 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4387748)
Hey Chris, hope all is well. One of the biggest benefit ofnit is that it wont hold moisture and rot the tires from the inside out. Ever let air out of a tire and it stinks to high heaven, thats the rhbber decomposing from the heat cycle with reg air.

Wouldn't the tire just wear out before that was ever a concern? Driven hundreds of thousands of miles and decomposition from the inside never was an issue.

phragle 12-23-2015 08:24 PM

Ive got the regulator...you here or there?? PM me an address and its yours.

sutphen 30 12-23-2015 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4387748)
Hey Chris, hope all is well. One of the biggest benefit ofnit is that it wont hold moisture and rot the tires from the inside out. Ever let air out of a tire and it stinks to high heaven, thats the rhbber decomposing from the heat cycle with reg air.

drive your car alot harder and the tires will wear out faster than decomposing,,grandma.:santa:

mwicard 12-23-2015 09:36 PM

Air is 70% nitrogen. Just top it off with normal compressed air.

Griff 12-24-2015 01:22 AM


Originally Posted by mwicard (Post 4387790)
Air is 70% nitrogen. Just top it off with normal compressed air.

Actually 78.9% :lolhit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

offshoredrillin 12-24-2015 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 4387763)
Wouldn't the tire just wear out before that was ever a concern? Driven hundreds of thousands of miles and decomposition from the inside never was an issue.

depends on how long the car sits, for my clients with collections we always swap it out and the tires wont break as fast from the inside.

flat rate 12-24-2015 10:15 AM

We have 2 different systems at my dealership. One is a single tire fill and the other does all 4 at the same time. Neither one use a nitrogen tank. They have a membrane in them that pulls the nitrogen from the air. They have a digital guage that shows you the % of nitrogen. It is 90%+. I would think you could pick up the single tire at a time machine cheap! They were to slow for a busy shop.

RedDog382 12-27-2015 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4387768)
Ive got the regulator...you here or there?? PM me an address and its yours.

PM sent, thank you.

RedDog382 12-27-2015 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4387748)
Hey Chris, hope all is well.

Other than a few hurdles, everything is great! Sure do miss boating in the midwest with you guys!

RedDog382 12-27-2015 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4387812)
depends on how long the car sits, for my clients with collections we always swap it out and the tires wont break as fast from the inside.

Precisely the situation. A few low-mile collectible vehicles, boat/car trailers, RV, and trucks that are only driven occasionally. Not really an issue for a high-mile daily driver.

phragle 12-27-2015 05:32 PM

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boomer 12-27-2015 06:39 PM

So how due you get the air out of the tire to put the Nitrogen in. Vacuum?????

mptrimshop 12-27-2015 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by boomer (Post 4388559)
So how due you get the air out of the tire to put the Nitrogen in. Vacuum?????


You take the tire off the rim. Them you have bring it into a room pergged with nitrogen and put it on....... Or maybe you just make sure the vavle stem is at the highest point....or break the bead and add the nitro to set it...

Scott B 12-29-2015 05:11 AM

We have used nitrogen on our trailer and vehicle fleet for about 6-7 years now. Not a huge fleet, about 400 tires on the road. Tire life has quadrupled on the trailers. On our vehicles we are also getting more miles on them, I assume due to consistent inflation pressures. I also nitro fill my motorcycles tires, they stay properly inflated WAY longer than with just air....

Scott B 12-29-2015 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by boomer (Post 4388559)
So how due you get the air out of the tire to put the Nitrogen in. Vacuum?????

Our nitro-fill machine has a purge cycle where it will deflate and inflate the tires a couple times to purge them. Hook up the hoses, set the pressure and walk away..

phragle 12-31-2015 10:51 AM

Its on the way... I will pm you the tracking number...

RedDog382 01-01-2016 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4389470)
Its on the way... I will pm you the tracking number...

Thanks Phragle!

I picked up this used Ingersoll Rand nitrogen inflation unit out here, all I need is the regulator and a nitrogen cylinder and I'm good to go.

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