Global warming?????????
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Today is June 12th. How close to summer ? There is a 4*F windchill with snow here (click on link) in NH: https://www.mountwashington.org/expe...onditions.aspx
LOL
Note: That link's weather conditions updates every 10 minutes.So, if it show's different than what I said, it's because it will show real time, again, within 10minutes.
LOL
Note: That link's weather conditions updates every 10 minutes.So, if it show's different than what I said, it's because it will show real time, again, within 10minutes.
Same place in my state (NH) as above
Wind Speed 65 mph
Wind Direction W (280°)
10-Minute Gust 79 mph
Wind Chill 20° F
Temp 37.3° F
RH 98%
Pressure 23.905 inHG
24-Hour Data
Precip Snow High Low Gust
1.64 in 0 in 52.2°F 36° F 86 mph
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I recently sat next to a woman on a flight from Houston which began with pleasantries regarding the purposes of our trip. When asked whether mine was for business or pleasure, I said that it combined a bit of both. I explained that I was on my way to do a media interview.
That led her to ask what it was that I do, to which I answered that I’m in the habit of writing quite a lot about topics that vary considerably, but frequently address stuff about climate and energy . . . often many politically incorrect aspects.
She asked, “You aren’t like that guy in Ohio that doesn’t believe in climate change, are you?”
I responded that I don’t personally know anyone who doesn’t think that climate changes, but there may be one in Ohio that I have yet to meet. Seems to me that climate change has been going on for quite a while . . . billions of years in fact.
Global temperatures were at least just as warm about 2,000 years ago during the “Roman Warm Period” when popular fashions featured cool-looking sandals and togas. Conditions were much the same again during the “Medieval warm period” about a thousand years later. That was when Eric the Red and his Norse pals, sans-sandals, raised sheep and goats on southwestern Greenland’s coastal grasslands.
Around 1350, Red’s Viking descendants pulled up stakes and high-tailed it out of there for friendlier climes with the coming of a “little ice age.” That big chill lasted until shortly after Washington’s troops spent a brutally cold winter at Valley Forge in 1777, and Napoleon’s beat a brutally frigid retreat from Moscow in 1812.
Incidentally, the warming that followed began before the Industrial Revolution brought CO2-belching smokestacks and SUVs, and has continued in fits and starts ever since.
Still, U.S. temperatures between 1910 through the mid-1940s were warmer than now, and then cooled again for about three decades. By the late 1970s many “climate experts” heralded the arrival of the next real ice age. That alarm vector reversed entirely about a decade later when Sen. Al Gore’s steamy 1988 Senate hearings concluded that the planet is on fire and we are causing it.
She: “We must be. How can anyone deny the influence of the record levels of CO2 we are polluting the atmosphere with?”
Me: Satellite temperature records which have been available only since 1979 show that other than naturally-occurring 1998 and 2015 El Nino temperature spikes, no statistically significant global warming has occurred for nearly two decades. On the other hand, satellite imagery shows that the plant-fertilizing CO2 “pollution” you referred to has increased global greening by 25 to 50 percent since then . . . lots more veggies for all God’s creatures.
She: “Then why are glaciers melting faster than ever, and causing oceans to rise and coastlines to flood?”
Me: Yes, the Arctic, which goes through regular 60-70 year-long warming and cooling cycles, has most recently been losing some ice mass, while most of the vastly larger Antarctic continent has been gaining.
A National Academy of Sciences report attributes a primary cause of those thunderous West Antarctic Ice Sheet iceberg collapses we often see featured in the media to geothermal heat from seabed volcanoes below.
This coastal melting has been operating at time scales of hundreds to thousands of years.
There’s also no reason for feverishly overheated concern regarding glacial melting causing a rapid sea level rise. It’s another natural phenomenon that has been occurring over eons.
The rate of that increase has stabilized over the past few hundred years at about seven inches per century.
She: “Why then are increasingly frequent and severe weather events occurring which scientists predict will become even worse? How can you possibly claim that we aren’t causing all of this to happen?”
Me: If we are, might we then also take some credit for good news too?
No category 3-5 hurricanes have struck the U.S. coast since October 2005, a record century-long lull since 1900. And according to both NOAA and U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, there has been no increase in the severity or frequency of floods, droughts, thunderstorms or tornadoes in recent decades either.
She: “Well what about all of the real climate scientists who say otherwise? Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize for telling us differently. Do you think you are smarter?”
I admitted to real professional limitations on that last point. Being more a rocket scientist than true climate scientist like him, I falsely assumed he got the award for inventing the Internet, along with an Oscar for his sensationally dramatic science fiction horror movie acting performance.
That abruptly ended our chat. My seatmate promptly returned to reading a Rolling Stone magazine Bernie Sanders feature. The rest of that flight was very quiet. I even got some sleep
I recently sat next to a woman on a flight from Houston which began with pleasantries regarding the purposes of our trip. When asked whether mine was for business or pleasure, I said that it combined a bit of both. I explained that I was on my way to do a media interview.
That led her to ask what it was that I do, to which I answered that I’m in the habit of writing quite a lot about topics that vary considerably, but frequently address stuff about climate and energy . . . often many politically incorrect aspects.
She asked, “You aren’t like that guy in Ohio that doesn’t believe in climate change, are you?”
I responded that I don’t personally know anyone who doesn’t think that climate changes, but there may be one in Ohio that I have yet to meet. Seems to me that climate change has been going on for quite a while . . . billions of years in fact.
Global temperatures were at least just as warm about 2,000 years ago during the “Roman Warm Period” when popular fashions featured cool-looking sandals and togas. Conditions were much the same again during the “Medieval warm period” about a thousand years later. That was when Eric the Red and his Norse pals, sans-sandals, raised sheep and goats on southwestern Greenland’s coastal grasslands.
Around 1350, Red’s Viking descendants pulled up stakes and high-tailed it out of there for friendlier climes with the coming of a “little ice age.” That big chill lasted until shortly after Washington’s troops spent a brutally cold winter at Valley Forge in 1777, and Napoleon’s beat a brutally frigid retreat from Moscow in 1812.
Incidentally, the warming that followed began before the Industrial Revolution brought CO2-belching smokestacks and SUVs, and has continued in fits and starts ever since.
Still, U.S. temperatures between 1910 through the mid-1940s were warmer than now, and then cooled again for about three decades. By the late 1970s many “climate experts” heralded the arrival of the next real ice age. That alarm vector reversed entirely about a decade later when Sen. Al Gore’s steamy 1988 Senate hearings concluded that the planet is on fire and we are causing it.
She: “We must be. How can anyone deny the influence of the record levels of CO2 we are polluting the atmosphere with?”
Me: Satellite temperature records which have been available only since 1979 show that other than naturally-occurring 1998 and 2015 El Nino temperature spikes, no statistically significant global warming has occurred for nearly two decades. On the other hand, satellite imagery shows that the plant-fertilizing CO2 “pollution” you referred to has increased global greening by 25 to 50 percent since then . . . lots more veggies for all God’s creatures.
She: “Then why are glaciers melting faster than ever, and causing oceans to rise and coastlines to flood?”
Me: Yes, the Arctic, which goes through regular 60-70 year-long warming and cooling cycles, has most recently been losing some ice mass, while most of the vastly larger Antarctic continent has been gaining.
A National Academy of Sciences report attributes a primary cause of those thunderous West Antarctic Ice Sheet iceberg collapses we often see featured in the media to geothermal heat from seabed volcanoes below.
This coastal melting has been operating at time scales of hundreds to thousands of years.
There’s also no reason for feverishly overheated concern regarding glacial melting causing a rapid sea level rise. It’s another natural phenomenon that has been occurring over eons.
The rate of that increase has stabilized over the past few hundred years at about seven inches per century.
She: “Why then are increasingly frequent and severe weather events occurring which scientists predict will become even worse? How can you possibly claim that we aren’t causing all of this to happen?”
Me: If we are, might we then also take some credit for good news too?
No category 3-5 hurricanes have struck the U.S. coast since October 2005, a record century-long lull since 1900. And according to both NOAA and U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, there has been no increase in the severity or frequency of floods, droughts, thunderstorms or tornadoes in recent decades either.
She: “Well what about all of the real climate scientists who say otherwise? Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize for telling us differently. Do you think you are smarter?”
I admitted to real professional limitations on that last point. Being more a rocket scientist than true climate scientist like him, I falsely assumed he got the award for inventing the Internet, along with an Oscar for his sensationally dramatic science fiction horror movie acting performance.
That abruptly ended our chat. My seatmate promptly returned to reading a Rolling Stone magazine Bernie Sanders feature. The rest of that flight was very quiet. I even got some sleep
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There are something like 9000 weather stations in the US, you can statistically expect hundreds or even thousands of them to present statistical anomalies in either extreme regardless of the general trends. A single weather station or locale reporting lower than average temperatures in no way negates genuine long term trends and averages. Does really need explaining? In other factual news, 2016 set record temperatures across the US. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ature-records/
Mseuro, as with most deceptions there are a few grains of actual fact in the stories you told your neighbor on that flight. Most of that has been repeatedly debunked by actual scientists who have nothing to gain by joining in some vast conspiracy to defraud Americans for a rational no one can actually explain but many repeat for ideological reasons. I could pick them apart one by one but I'm sure thats already been done for you, without effect. You've made your choice and you are sticking to it.
I get it guys, you dont want to give your boating or your loud motors, neither do I. Wanting something to be doesnt just magically make it that way in spite of reality. However you do get to pretend it does until the shhhhht really hits the fan.
Mseuro, as with most deceptions there are a few grains of actual fact in the stories you told your neighbor on that flight. Most of that has been repeatedly debunked by actual scientists who have nothing to gain by joining in some vast conspiracy to defraud Americans for a rational no one can actually explain but many repeat for ideological reasons. I could pick them apart one by one but I'm sure thats already been done for you, without effect. You've made your choice and you are sticking to it.
I get it guys, you dont want to give your boating or your loud motors, neither do I. Wanting something to be doesnt just magically make it that way in spite of reality. However you do get to pretend it does until the shhhhht really hits the fan.
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Actully, I'm over the thread, lol.
Just wanted to create some 'yikes' with todays weather from a place not far from me, I go by there a lot, and it's weather always fascinates me.
Just wanted to create some 'yikes' with todays weather from a place not far from me, I go by there a lot, and it's weather always fascinates me.
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There are something like 9000 weather stations in the US, you can statistically expect hundreds or even thousands of them to present statistical anomalies in either extreme regardless of the general trends. A single weather station or locale reporting lower than average temperatures in no way negates genuine long term trends and averages. Does really need explaining? In other factual news, 2016 set record temperatures across the US. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ature-records/
Mseuro, as with most deceptions there are a few grains of actual fact in the stories you told your neighbor on that flight. Most of that has been repeatedly debunked by actual scientists who have nothing to gain by joining in some vast conspiracy to defraud Americans for a rational no one can actually explain but many repeat for ideological reasons. I could pick them apart one by one but I'm sure thats already been done for you, without effect. You've made your choice and you are sticking to it.
I get it guys, you dont want to give your boating or your loud motors, neither do I. Wanting something to be doesnt just magically make it that way in spite of reality. However you do get to pretend it does until the shhhhht really hits the fan.
Mseuro, as with most deceptions there are a few grains of actual fact in the stories you told your neighbor on that flight. Most of that has been repeatedly debunked by actual scientists who have nothing to gain by joining in some vast conspiracy to defraud Americans for a rational no one can actually explain but many repeat for ideological reasons. I could pick them apart one by one but I'm sure thats already been done for you, without effect. You've made your choice and you are sticking to it.
I get it guys, you dont want to give your boating or your loud motors, neither do I. Wanting something to be doesnt just magically make it that way in spite of reality. However you do get to pretend it does until the shhhhht really hits the fan.
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Sure, you'd have a point if it was the gubmint that was proving climate change instead of scientists who have devoted their lives to determining truth in the natural world, have nothing to gain from lying to you about it, and generally tend to be more noble and honest than your average joes. If you think the price of gas is set by scientists rather than market forces, I'm afraid you just dont have a very accurate understanding of how these things work. Its ok, you will probably get to avoid the repercussions of ideological wishful thinking... but your kids wont have that option.
SB... fair enough!
SB... fair enough!
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"Scientists who have devoted their lives to determining truth"- yeah, there's a few. But many are funded by grant money, a university/foundation, or a corporation. Ergo, the "nothing to gain from lying to you about it" is a false narrative. <Cough> Big Tobacco. <Mic drop>.
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lol. I dropped that rag years ago because of all the politics. It reads like the Democratic News and I just wanted to keep up to date on music! National Geographic has wholeheartedly embraced global warming also.
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Sorry guys, I did not mean for this subject to continue.
Again, I was merely pointing out some real cold conditions yesterday just north of me.
22*F windchill right now 7:29AM
Updated every few minutes: https://xmountwashington.appspot.com/csc.html
Again, I was merely pointing out some real cold conditions yesterday just north of me.
22*F windchill right now 7:29AM
Updated every few minutes: https://xmountwashington.appspot.com/csc.html
Last edited by SB; 08-23-2016 at 06:45 AM.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about with regards to not understanding how the scientific process works. Scientists get funded regardless of the outcome of their research. In fact the reality is that if a genuine climate scientist was to find definitive proof that the climate wasn't changing due to man made influences, he would become quite famous and professionally lauded. The reason thats not happening isn't that real scientists pick and choose the results they want and then fabricate them, its because thats not what the evidence is demonstrating.
Cool mic drop though
Cool mic drop though
"Scientists who have devoted their lives to determining truth"- yeah, there's a few. But many are funded by grant money, a university/foundation, or a corporation. Ergo, the "nothing to gain from lying to you about it" is a false narrative. <Cough> Big Tobacco. <Mic drop>.