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I don't get why people wouldn't want to do everything to preserve our planet. We all play on the water, clean water is great, water that gets you sick is not. Many of us play outdoors skiing, snow sledding, mountains, blah blah blah, it nice to be with nature...unspoiled by scummy mankind. I like drinking water from my well that doesn't give me cancer...yet people get defensive about polluting.
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Originally Posted by Wasted Income
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I really want a tv teleprompter reading puppet telling us that all the real scientists in the world don't know what they are talking about. Like it or not environmental laws have made our gearhead lives better in many ways. We now have production, emission legal 640hp small block engines as a direct result of the effort to reduce emissions. I can remember sitting in a drive through about to pass out from the fumes being generated by cars in the 70's. The plants I worked in and around stank for miles, now I cant tell that one of the biggest refineries in the world is less than a mile from my office. Every time new emission rules are proposed people cry about the jobs that are going to be lost and yet all I see are more jobs and better technologies and more efficient vehicles. |
Originally Posted by Wobble
(Post 4440430)
Like it or not environmental laws have made our gearhead lives better in many ways. We now have production, emission legal 640hp small block engines as a direct result of the effort to reduce emissions. I can remember sitting in a drive through about to pass out from the fumes being generated by cars in the 70's.
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Originally Posted by Wobble
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Quote from John Coleman "“Many people don’t accept my position that there is no significant man-made global warming because I am simply a Television Meteorologist without a Ph.D.,” he admitted in a blog post. “I understand that.”
I really want a tv teleprompter reading puppet telling us that all the real scientists in the world don't know what they are talking about. Like it or not environmental laws have made our gearhead lives better in many ways. We now have production, emission legal 640hp small block engines as a direct result of the effort to reduce emissions. I can remember sitting in a drive through about to pass out from the fumes being generated by cars in the 70's. The plants I worked in and around stank for miles, now I cant tell that one of the biggest refineries in the world is less than a mile from my office. Every time new emission rules are proposed people cry about the jobs that are going to be lost and yet all I see are more jobs and better technologies and more efficient vehicles. Pretty weak argument, by the way. By your logic, all the engine builders who don't have an automotive engineering degree, or a PhD in mechanical engineering, or physics, or a boat designer who doesn't have a degree in naval architecture must not have a clue either? Experience / emperical data and independent research means nothing? |
Originally Posted by Wasted Income
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Ok, so you've bashed his credentials...but can you disprove his data? That's the real issue, not deflecting to the fact that he doesn't have a PhD in Meteorology.
Pretty weak argument, by the way. By your logic, all the engine builders who don't have an automotive engineering degree, or a PhD in mechanical engineering, or physics, or a boat designer who doesn't have a degree in naval architecture must not have a clue either? Experience / emperical data and independent research means nothing? |
What is Al Gores credentials other than getting a D in that class ?
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Originally Posted by Wasted Income
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Ok, so you've bashed his credentials...but can you disprove his data? That's the real issue, not deflecting to the fact that he doesn't have a PhD in Meteorology.
Pretty weak argument, by the way. By your logic, all the engine builders who don't have an automotive engineering degree, or a PhD in mechanical engineering, or physics, or a boat designer who doesn't have a degree in naval architecture must not have a clue either? Experience / emperical data and independent research means nothing? Not knocking engine builders at all, spent many days around the dyno room. There are many self taught people that have innovated. The scientists/engineers are the ones (generally) that conceptualize the technology to make engines more efficient and cleaner. |
Originally Posted by SB
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What is Al Gores credentials other than getting a D in that class ?
Gore enrolled in Harvard College in 1965, initially planning to major in English and write novels but later deciding to major in government.[17][18] On his second day on campus, he began campaigning for the freshman student government council and was elected its president.[18] Although he was an avid reader who fell in love with scientific and mathematical theories,[18] he did not do well in science classes in college and avoided taking math.[17] His grades during his first two years put him in the lower one-fifth of the class. During his sophomore year, he reportedly spent much of his time watching television, shooting pool, and occasionally smoking marijuana.[17][18] In his junior and senior years, he became more involved with his studies, earning As and Bs.[17] In his senior year, he took a class with oceanographer and global warming theorist Roger Revelle, who sparked Gore's interest in global warming and other environmental issues.[18][27] Gore earned an A on his thesis, "The Impact of Television on the Conduct of the Presidency, 1947-1969", and graduated with an A.B. cum laude in June 1969.[17][28] Gore was "dispirited" after his return from Vietnam.[30] NashvillePost.com noted that, "his father's defeat made service in a conflict he deeply opposed even more abhorrent to Gore. His experiences in the war zone don't seem to have been deeply traumatic in themselves; although the engineers were sometimes fired upon, Gore has said he didn't see full-scale combat. Still, he felt that his participation in the war was wrong."[35] Although his parents wanted him to go to law school, Gore first attended Vanderbilt University Divinity School (1971–72) on a Rockefeller Foundation scholarship for people planning secular careers. He later said he went there in order to explore "spiritual issues",[23] and that "he had hoped to make sense of the social injustices that seemed to challenge his religious beliefs."[39] In 1971, Gore also began to work the night shift for The Tennessean as an investigative reporter.[40] His investigations of corruption among members of Nashville's Metro Council resulted in the arrest and prosecution of two councilmen for separate offenses.[35] In 1974, he took a leave of absence from The Tennessean to attend Vanderbilt University Law School. His decision to become an attorney was a partial result of his time as a journalist, as he realized that, while he could expose corruption, he could not change it.[23] Gore did not complete law school, deciding abruptly, in 1976, to run for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives when he found out that his father's former seat in the House was about to be vacated.[23][41] |
So, how's ^^^that as a nut slapper ?^^^
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Originally Posted by SB
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So, how's ^^^that as a nut slapper ?^^^
This is fun. |
Sounds like he is more qualified on why Trump may be so popular / not popular with his running for prez
Gore earned an A on his thesis, "The Impact of Television on the Conduct of the Presidency, 1947-1969" |
Originally Posted by SB
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What is Al Gores credentials other than getting a D in that class ?
Originally Posted by SB
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I'll answer that:
Originally Posted by SB
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So, how's ^^^that as a nut slapper ?^^^
In any case Al Gore is no doubt unqualified and suspect due to political bias. I'd be the last person to quote him. |
SB your Tesla quote is interesting. It made great press but doesn't allow for the development of micro electronics or nano technology which were both mathematical theories at some point.
This is a good one from him. "The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of the planter — for the future. His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come, and point the way. He lives and labors and hopes." |
Global Warming / Climate Change discussion without the mention of Al Gore ? Near impossibility.
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Originally Posted by SB
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Global Warming / Climate Change discussion without the mention of Al Gore ? Near impossibility.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp |
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Originally Posted by Wasted Income
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But wait! That guy has a a Ph.D. in ecology!!
Here is an interesting Q&A http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/ |
Originally Posted by glassdave
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interesting note the rise in sea level is also due to thermal expansion of the in the earths entire body of water as well as the ice melt at about a fifty fifty rate.
I've climbed there many times, spent days on an upper ridge traverse of the Presidential range and even slept under hundred plus mph "gusts" in sub zero temps . . . . . . ahhhh good times good times lol :D https://xmountwashington.appspot.com/csc.html Summit Conditions* Wind Speed Wind Direction 10-Minute Gust Wind Chill 76 mph NW (300°) 87 mph 1° F Temp RH Pressure Weather 24.9° F 98% 23.39 inHG -PL -FZRA FZFG 24-Hour Data Precip Snow High Low Gust 0.33 in 0.3 in 34.6° F 23.7° F 100 mph |
Interesting, Trump, Gore, global warming, climate change....
Look at you (same people as before) f_in hypocrites. Ya, all 6 pages of this belongs in the General Boating Discussion area. Where are the MOD's now? Trump has been mentioned. Ban it! Before someone gets their feeling hurt. |
I was the one who had mentioned Trump and Gore.
I totally understand your point about the thread itself, where it is located, and the issues with a previous political thread. |
I like my boating just like everybody else here. It doesnt mean we should be dishonest with ourselves about obvious realities.
That CO2 is a greenhouse gas and the main reason its not -200 degrees out is indisputable fact, established and known for centuries by physicists. You're wanting it not to be true doesnt make you smarter than Einstein. The amount we add to the atmosphere is easily calculable, currently 26 gigatons per year. Thats 26 BILLION metric tons. We've increased the CO2 by nearly 50% in the atmosphere. You dont need to be Einstein to understand thats going to have repercussions. And those repercussions are patently obvious by looking at the temperature records, which when compared to pre-historic (ice core and other methodologies) also show this is by no means a natural phase shift. You're deluding yourself by believing otherwise and citing what you read in the comments section of Breitbart. The first step in dealing with any problem is acknowledging it. Again, I'm guilty as anyone here, not getting up on my high horse. Enjoy it while it last gents, because it wont be for long. |
Pat Moore was a member of Greenpeace, but after being active for a few years he dropped out and became a total shill for lobbyists and industries that could pay him for his "testimony". He's made a career out of shamelessly selling his word to the highest bidder. In case you have any doubt, this is the same charlatan who insisted on TV that roundup is safe to drink, then got called out by asking him to drink a glass. If you really want to present this guy as credible i suggest proving it by having a glass of roundup to show you really mean it ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM |
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You mean it's not real???
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We are over due for an ice age so the more carbon dioxide (the same stuff we breath out) the better. Also the plants love it. Want to stop climate change plant a tree. You want to pay out the ass for everything and have absolutely nothing change vote for Hillary.
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BLOWN - You are forgetting about that volcano that put out more global warming gasses in one year than man has since the beginning. Why are we not boiling right now???
Drink some more global warming KOOLADE. Tell me what would happen if that big ball of glowing hydrogen in the sky was to cool off even 1%... Sounds to me like you are not very old since I can remember when I was younger they were forecasting that we were headed for another ice age. So if the data back then was showing that we were heading into an ice age how can that same data now show that we are heating up??? If you tell me that they were wrong back then then what is to say that 40 years from now the then "EXPERTS" tell everyone that they were wrong back in 2016. |
Tinkerer, if you really wanted to learn the answer you could spend half an hour and actually understand how the carbon cycle works, and that would dispel the childlike understanding of it which you currently hold. Maybe you should try that instead of mindlessly repeating the garbage that is astro-turfed by shills for the petro industry. Since you asked:
You're right that Carbon is released through volcanic eruptions. This occurs at not exactly a static fixed rate, but averages out as so. Carbon is also deposited back into the earth, the primary means being absorption into the oceans and then deposited through sea-life that eventually becomes material like limestone. Fluctuations in the expulsion rate versus the absorption rate is what produces a natural cycle of variance in global temperatures through the aeons. Now come along humans who MASSIVELY increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, as previously stated 80 BILLION metric tons, each and every year, and still growing. It doesnt take a genius to understand that the absorption rate doesnt suddenly jump to accommodate human lifestyles. Nor does it take a genius to actually see the proof of that: CO2 levels rising dramatically. Nor does it take a genius to understand that if CO2 is directly responsible for capturing heat in the atmosphere, that increasing those levels will result in higher temperatures. By the way, what you read on Breitbart, that a volcano emits more CO2 than humans throughout history? Utter and complete bunk. Its not even close, humans emit more than 100x the CO2 that volcanoes do per year. You can actually read and learn about it (or let me guess, all the scientists in the world are in on a big conspiracy for the tiny pay they receive in the pursuit of knowledge?) http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...oes-or-humans/ For that matter you can also learn about the carbon cycle yourself, if you actually would like to learn something. http://teeic.indianaffairs.gov/er/ca...boninfo/cycle/ So, Tinkerer, the point is you dont have to be a genius to understand all this. You just have to want to actually understand truth, rather than denying uncomfortable realities that clash with your lifestyle. Regarding "Tell me what would happen if that big ball of glowing hydrogen in the sky was to cool off even 1%"... If the thermal output of the sun was to diminish by 1%, there would be a measurable cooling effect upon our atmosphere. But... thesun hasn't diminished its energy output by 1% in the last century (it hasn't at all). Nor does that make any sense as an argument whatsoever since we're experiencing remarkable heating, not cooling. Last point, I'm 42, so what? I do know about the astro-turfed propaganda claiming that "the scientific community" pushed global cooling in the 80's. Thats is factually and demonstrably baloney that has been put forward by the energy companies. Yes, a very few handful of scientists hypothesized that this may be the case back in those days. First of all this was back in a period in which we knew a lot less about the global climate works. Second of all there are ALWAYS going to be a few scientists (amongst hundreds of thousands or millions) who will propose hypotheses that are totally bunk. These claims were totally at odds with the vast majority of climate scientists. They nothing to do with scientific consensus, and is a canard that could be used to refute any truth and logic. Obviously you dont understood much about the scientific method and peer review. These kind of discussions are just sad. You dont argue with scientists about how aerodynamic lift works, you just take those flights. You dont argue with your doctors that you know better than them about which medicines you should take, you just take your pills. Everything in your world that is a product of science, you understand that people have devoted their lives to the pursuit of knowledge. But on this one issue, because its inconvenient for you, you pretend to have a better understanding about processes that you haven't even spent half an hour trying to understand, versus people who have devoted their lives to. Its willfully dumbing yourself down, and risking the future of your children. |
The weather man can`t tell me if it`s going to rain and be 60* or sunshine all day and 75* but somehow they are going to predict world events?
https://2012patriot.files.wordpress....al-warming.jpg http://33outlaw.zenfolio.com/img/s1/...05681339-2.jpg Doctors are wrong all the time and conparing erodynamic lift to world temps is a little bit like apples and monkeys |
That comment explains what you are missing. Meteorology (aka weather reporting) and climatology aren't even close to the same thing, completely different disciplines, different educations, different science. A weatherman has about as much authority over long term climate science as baker has working on your motors.
That FAKE Time cover you just posted also explains it. Have a look DED: http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/s...oming-ice-age/ These campaigns of lies are financed by the oil industry to protect their billions in annual revenue, but it also takes a willing participant to be so easily duped. The facts are out there and easily found in today's information age. Does that cover being fake have any bearing on whether you will open your mind to scientific reality? All you have to do is spend a little bit of time learning with an open mind. |
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FWIW I have worked in the petrochemical industry for over 30 years. Many of the people I know in the business accept the realities of global warming. Just as they accept the undiminished demand for petrochemical products. Everything about the oil industry is based on ever evolving science.
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You guys are funny. All you can do is post theories that a child can debunk within 2 minutes using google, or post fake memes and photoshopped magazine covers supposedly showing scientists being wrong.
Shepnic, your first meme, are you kidding? We're breaking global temperature records in almost every month and year. The Greenland ice sheet and Arctic ice cap is melting at absolutely TERRIFYING rates. Are none of you paying attention? Here on the east coast its verified that the sea level has risen 5 INCHES IN JUST 2 YEARS. Google is your friend, you can learn about that too, if you wanted (or alternatively just stick your head in the sand). BTW the text in that meme is also a fabrication, Gore didn't say that, not even close. That second photo you posted is of Tateyame Kurobe also known as the Alpine snow corridor for a reason. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. Im sure you gentlemen are all smart guys in your personal and business lives, but on this issue your staid refusal to acknowledge facts and reason while insisting on theories that fly in the face of a united front of climate science... its the equivalent of children sticking their thumbs in their ears and screaming "nanny nanny boo boo". You dont want to accept it so facts, logic, and objectivity just go straight out the window. |
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Lolwut Ded, so NOW you believe in science? :p Come on now, you dont get to just pick and choose the parts that fit your worldview and discard / deny the rest (not with any reasonable credibility).
Hehe look I'm not trying to start a flame war. I agree with you, at this point the most likely scenario that will save us is technical development. If you read beyond the headlines however you'll learn that so far they have just figured out that its technically possible, not that its a viable option on a scale large enough to make a difference. Its still an issue as to how to actually capture that volume of CO2 (they dont know, at present there is no viable method). That may be decades off, or never. In the meantime we risk a runaway heating effect due to vast methane deposits in the permafrost and seafloor, which, if scientists are right (and evidence is backing that up more strongly every day) is going to be a really big problem, very quickly http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/m...lobal-warming/ Look gents, we may find a solution and not leave this planet a smoking wreck for the next generations, but to stick your heads in the sand and roll the dice on something so profoundly important is more than short sighted and foolish. But hey, its only your kids who are going to have to deal with the consequences, so who cares? Im also part of the problem so cant preach everyone else is effing it up, just saying we need to be honest with ourselves. Its basically an addiction we've got and we need to get it under control. But i admit, I'm about to go boating... i need therapy too. Hope the weathers good where you all are and you can enjoy the water this weekend too. Like i said... while it lasts. |
Yes I am kidding that's the point lighten the f*ck up. I started this thread as a joke purely because it was an extended cold spring in buffalo not to debate science and politics with anyone!!!
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Originally Posted by shepnic74
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Yes I am kidding that's the point lighten the f*ck up. I started this thread as a joke purely because it was an extended cold spring in buffalo not to debate science and politics with anyone!!!
http://forums.boatfreaks.org/attachm...1&d=1465466627 |
Originally Posted by shepnic74
(Post 4448535)
Yes I am kidding that's the point lighten the f*ck up. I started this thread as a joke purely because it was an extended cold spring in buffalo not to debate science and politics with anyone!!!
How's it feel? |
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