Global warming reared it's ugly head in Michigan today. 92*

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to year round boating on the Great Lakes :). Or are they going to boil away :( ?

Fair enough, getting light now

The facts are what the liberals care to make them. If they don't like them, they change them. Rarely is there any relation to reality.

BLOWN = Bernie / Hillery supporter.
So if the volcano doesn't count in your global warming equation than Man's small amount compared to the volcano should have next to NO effect. I never could understand how you liberals ignore the output variations of the sun in ALL of your equations. If the earth is warming caused by man made CO2 what about when the USA was the worlds biggest producer, Did you ever drive through Gary Indiana 50 years ago. This planet is able to regulate it's CO2 levels in ways man will never understand. What the EARTH can't regulate is the Sun's output.
Keep drinking the KOOLAID
I suppose you think Hillery isn't guilty of anything. AND that there wasn't anything that could have been done to save our ambassador.
OH and by the way the Antarctic ice cap is growing at an alarming rate.

About the only thing missing is Catmando going off on a tangent....

To E.P.A, Global Warming, Global Cooling, and or Climate Change Believers:

If you are going to fix the climate I have a few suggestions for my area. I need it to be no warmer than 85 and no cooler than 65. I want it to rain twice a week but only on Mondays and Wednesdays at night while I am asleep, Wind may not blow more than 10 MPH, Hurricanes may never make landfall , Lightning may never touch the ground because it looks cooler in the sky, and Tornadoes will only ravage the Democrat parts of town. If you can do all that I will bust out my checkbook, if not then you can KISS MY ASS.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/...psdtz3xc3f.png

85 degrees at 10am ...
WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! (at some time in the future)

great plan,,then kill off all the plant life,,what do you think plants strive off of?lets scrub off all the co2 or alot of it,,kill the plants and or put us into an ice age.but don't worry,,mother nature will kick you nut jobs in the nuts and fix the plant itself.

It's true! It's true! The crown has made it clear.
The climate must be perfect all the year.

A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there's a legal limit to the snow here
In Camelot.
The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
In Camelot.
Camelot! Camelot!
I know it sounds a bit bizarre,
But in Camelot, Camelot
That's how conditions are.
The rain may never fall till after sundown.
By eight, the morning fog must disappear.
In short, there's simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.

Camelot! Camelot!
I know it gives a person pause,
But in Camelot, Camelot
Those are the legal laws.
The snow may never slush upon the hillside.
By nine p.m. the moonlight must appear.
In short, there's simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.

Camelot. Sounds like the perfect place to retire. How's the boating there?

Btw, is climate change new or man made? I've often wondered who is responsible for ending the last ice age 12,000 years ago. Perhaps Mastodon flatulent.

Today is June 12th. How close to summer ? There is a 4*F windchill with snow here (click on link) in NH: https://www.mountwashington.org/expe...onditions.aspx

LOL

Note: That link's weather conditions updates every 10 minutes.So, if it show's different than what I said, it's because it will show real time, again, within 10minutes.

27 with 46mph winds. F_ that!

Okay while I'm not a big fan of the hoopla and drama surrounding the subject, as a farmer the last two years we have harvested earlier than ever.
That said what real difference will it make as we put people out of work as China continues to ramp up with little or no pollution regard. We stifle our economy to grow another and what is accomplished?

Here is right now:
Wind Speed Wind Direction 10-Minute Gust Wind Chill
69 mph NW (330°) 81 mph 13° F
Temp RH Pressure Weather
32.8° F 99% 23.535 inHG -RA FG
24-Hour Data
Precip Snow High Low Gust
0.94 in 3.7 in 46.3° F 25.6° F 86 mph
Visibility (miles)

And it's bike week here. A popular ride is to go up this Mt. Not happening today as husts are supposed to over 90mph, and it snowed there yesterday as the chart shows.

It's on target to place in the 5th most snow they have ever recieved in June.

Bingo !

And many other countries.

Conditions got worse already

Wind Speed Wind Direction 10-Minute Gust Wind Chill
72 mph NW (330°) 97 mph 13° F
Temp RH Pressure Weather
32.8° F 99% 23.555 inHG -RA FG
24-Hour Data
Precip Snow High Low Gust
0.94 in 3.7 in 45° F 25.6° F 98 mph

Hey, it's only June. I've had the boat out 12 times already and we are heading out today and might run to Put-in-Bay, a 160 mile round trip by boat from where I launch. No complaints on the weather here.

Hell China has already begun to outsource to countries with cheaper labor and less regulation

They have been doing that for years, used to go to china a lot from 2002-2009.

It's always the next low cost countries no regs.

OK I mentioned gore , not that it matters , all you hard core believers gonna install this marvelous fabulous exhaust filters great technology on your boat motors ? also pipe EGR exhaust gases into intake , pipe crank gas into intake great idea , NOT AT ALL,, lil secret it is a real screwy idea on diesels ,, love to see that as proof pics , Tech does exist w not a single manufacturer using methanol injection

also EGR and pipe crankcase into the intake great tech for power , yes ?

Tinkerer, your entire argument there is based on fallacy. The entire global volcanic output of CO2 is less than 1 percent of the CO2 from our fossil fuel emissions. I have already previously linked to scientific data on that issue, and this scientific consensus isn't even being argued by anyone. Check your facts and get back to me if you can find any credible evidence to the contrary.

You've made some vague claims there that the Sun's output is varying and the cause of temperature shifts, this is not borne out by any science, but again if you have some credible evidence go ahead and post it. Otherwise its nothing more than fantasy.

Drawing in politics, who you think i support, and other canards is just a good way of creating straw men to argue over. Not relevant, nor a factor in discussion based on facts, reason, and evidence.

Your suggestion is analogous to your central heating is stuck on warm in the summer, and you want to fix it with 10 sticks of dynamite with your family in the house. I dont think i actually need to explain why destroying the principle process that keeps our planet habitable is the answer.

No, unfortunately there is no magic exhaust filter. Like the rest of you gents, i'm going to keep using fossil fuels until there is a viable alternative and/or the cost of gas gets to the point where it truly reflects the long term cost to society. Difference is that I'm acknowledging evidence based and peer reviewed science rather than simply discounting what i dont want to hear.

And yes, like you all, i'd be happiest if some tech was developed which allowed us all to continue going fast and making a chitload of noise doing it. Im not happy having to acknowledge these realities, so dont think its just that I'm hellbent on taking your fun away.

A little positive news http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36674996

Heard that today, been a long time coming.

Omg, the ozone cycles since the beginning of time. The report is nothing new other than to convince the uninformed that mankind is making a difference. HELP WE NEED MORE MONEY to fix something we have no possible way if controlling, get a grip and read a book.

We can invent corks or on/off switches for volcanoes.

“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” certainly applies here.

"We can invent corks or on/off switches for volcanoes." Volcanoes emit less than 1% of the CO2 that we contribute to the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels. Repeating something that has no relation to reality does not make it true. Volcanoes do not emit significant CO2. Scientists can and have measured those outputs, its not rocket science.

"Omg, the ozone cycles since the beginning of time" Gasoline cycles through your fuel system that doesnt mean dumping sugar in the tank wont mess it up. Humans denying something so well established as whether CFC's destroy ozone in the atmosphere really makes me wonder if we deserve to survive as a species.

"A little positive news http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36674996" Yes that is a good development, although unrelated to global warming except as a lesson: how did we achieve it? By recognizing incontrovertible scientific fact and adjusting our behavior.

Today is August 22 2016

Same place in my state (NH) as above

Wind Speed 65 mph
Wind Direction W (280°)
10-Minute Gust 79 mph
Wind Chill 20° F
Temp 37.3° F
RH 98%
Pressure 23.905 inHG

24-Hour Data
Precip Snow High Low Gust
1.64 in 0 in 52.2°F 36° F 86 mph

Had to send this.

I recently sat next to a woman on a flight from Houston which began with pleasantries regarding the purposes of our trip. When asked whether mine was for business or pleasure, I said that it combined a bit of both. I explained that I was on my way to do a media interview.

That led her to ask what it was that I do, to which I answered that I’m in the habit of writing quite a lot about topics that vary considerably, but frequently address stuff about climate and energy . . . often many politically incorrect aspects.

She asked, “You aren’t like that guy in Ohio that doesn’t believe in climate change, are you?”

I responded that I don’t personally know anyone who doesn’t think that climate changes, but there may be one in Ohio that I have yet to meet. Seems to me that climate change has been going on for quite a while . . . billions of years in fact.

Global temperatures were at least just as warm about 2,000 years ago during the “Roman Warm Period” when popular fashions featured cool-looking sandals and togas. Conditions were much the same again during the “Medieval warm period” about a thousand years later. That was when Eric the Red and his Norse pals, sans-sandals, raised sheep and goats on southwestern Greenland’s coastal grasslands.

Around 1350, Red’s Viking descendants pulled up stakes and high-tailed it out of there for friendlier climes with the coming of a “little ice age.” That big chill lasted until shortly after Washington’s troops spent a brutally cold winter at Valley Forge in 1777, and Napoleon’s beat a brutally frigid retreat from Moscow in 1812.

Incidentally, the warming that followed began before the Industrial Revolution brought CO2-belching smokestacks and SUVs, and has continued in fits and starts ever since.

Still, U.S. temperatures between 1910 through the mid-1940s were warmer than now, and then cooled again for about three decades. By the late 1970s many “climate experts” heralded the arrival of the next real ice age. That alarm vector reversed entirely about a decade later when Sen. Al Gore’s steamy 1988 Senate hearings concluded that the planet is on fire and we are causing it.

She: “We must be. How can anyone deny the influence of the record levels of CO2 we are polluting the atmosphere with?”

Me: Satellite temperature records which have been available only since 1979 show that other than naturally-occurring 1998 and 2015 El Nino temperature spikes, no statistically significant global warming has occurred for nearly two decades. On the other hand, satellite imagery shows that the plant-fertilizing CO2 “pollution” you referred to has increased global greening by 25 to 50 percent since then . . . lots more veggies for all God’s creatures.

She: “Then why are glaciers melting faster than ever, and causing oceans to rise and coastlines to flood?”

Me: Yes, the Arctic, which goes through regular 60-70 year-long warming and cooling cycles, has most recently been losing some ice mass, while most of the vastly larger Antarctic continent has been gaining.

A National Academy of Sciences report attributes a primary cause of those thunderous West Antarctic Ice Sheet iceberg collapses we often see featured in the media to geothermal heat from seabed volcanoes below.

This coastal melting has been operating at time scales of hundreds to thousands of years.

There’s also no reason for feverishly overheated concern regarding glacial melting causing a rapid sea level rise. It’s another natural phenomenon that has been occurring over eons.

The rate of that increase has stabilized over the past few hundred years at about seven inches per century.

She: “Why then are increasingly frequent and severe weather events occurring which scientists predict will become even worse? How can you possibly claim that we aren’t causing all of this to happen?”

Me: If we are, might we then also take some credit for good news too?

No category 3-5 hurricanes have struck the U.S. coast since October 2005, a record century-long lull since 1900. And according to both NOAA and U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, there has been no increase in the severity or frequency of floods, droughts, thunderstorms or tornadoes in recent decades either.

She: “Well what about all of the real climate scientists who say otherwise? Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize for telling us differently. Do you think you are smarter?”

I admitted to real professional limitations on that last point. Being more a rocket scientist than true climate scientist like him, I falsely assumed he got the award for inventing the Internet, along with an Oscar for his sensationally dramatic science fiction horror movie acting performance.

That abruptly ended our chat. My seatmate promptly returned to reading a Rolling Stone magazine Bernie Sanders feature. The rest of that flight was very quiet. I even got some sleep

There are something like 9000 weather stations in the US, you can statistically expect hundreds or even thousands of them to present statistical anomalies in either extreme regardless of the general trends. A single weather station or locale reporting lower than average temperatures in no way negates genuine long term trends and averages. Does really need explaining? In other factual news, 2016 set record temperatures across the US. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ature-records/

Mseuro, as with most deceptions there are a few grains of actual fact in the stories you told your neighbor on that flight. Most of that has been repeatedly debunked by actual scientists who have nothing to gain by joining in some vast conspiracy to defraud Americans for a rational no one can actually explain but many repeat for ideological reasons. I could pick them apart one by one but I'm sure thats already been done for you, without effect. You've made your choice and you are sticking to it.

I get it guys, you dont want to give your boating or your loud motors, neither do I. Wanting something to be doesnt just magically make it that way in spite of reality. However you do get to pretend it does until the shhhhht really hits the fan.

Actully, I'm over the thread, lol.

Just wanted to create some 'yikes' with todays weather from a place not far from me, I go by there a lot, and it's weather always fascinates me.

Sorry but I will never believe what the government and people with an agenda are telling me. I have a brain and I use it, to me this is all about wealth redistribution and nothing else. The same goes for why our prescription drugs cost are so high compared with the rest of the world, it's because we are subsidizing world health.

Sure, you'd have a point if it was the gubmint that was proving climate change instead of scientists who have devoted their lives to determining truth in the natural world, have nothing to gain from lying to you about it, and generally tend to be more noble and honest than your average joes. If you think the price of gas is set by scientists rather than market forces, I'm afraid you just dont have a very accurate understanding of how these things work. Its ok, you will probably get to avoid the repercussions of ideological wishful thinking... but your kids wont have that option.

SB... fair enough!

"Scientists who have devoted their lives to determining truth"- yeah, there's a few. But many are funded by grant money, a university/foundation, or a corporation. Ergo, the "nothing to gain from lying to you about it" is a false narrative. <Cough> Big Tobacco. <Mic drop>.

lol. I dropped that rag years ago because of all the politics. It reads like the Democratic News and I just wanted to keep up to date on music! National Geographic has wholeheartedly embraced global warming also.

Sorry guys, I did not mean for this subject to continue.

Again, I was merely pointing out some real cold conditions yesterday just north of me.

22*F windchill right now 7:29AM
Updated every few minutes: https://xmountwashington.appspot.com/csc.html

This is exactly what I'm talking about with regards to not understanding how the scientific process works. Scientists get funded regardless of the outcome of their research. In fact the reality is that if a genuine climate scientist was to find definitive proof that the climate wasn't changing due to man made influences, he would become quite famous and professionally lauded. The reason thats not happening isn't that real scientists pick and choose the results they want and then fabricate them, its because thats not what the evidence is demonstrating.

Cool mic drop though