Interesting, Trump, Gore, global warming, climate change....
Look at you (same people as before) f_in hypocrites. Ya, all 6 pages of this belongs in the General Boating Discussion area. Where are the MOD's now? Trump has been mentioned. Ban it! Before someone gets their feeling hurt.

I was the one who had mentioned Trump and Gore.

I totally understand your point about the thread itself, where it is located, and the issues with a previous political thread.

I like my boating just like everybody else here. It doesnt mean we should be dishonest with ourselves about obvious realities.
That CO2 is a greenhouse gas and the main reason its not -200 degrees out is indisputable fact, established and known for centuries by physicists. You're wanting it not to be true doesnt make you smarter than Einstein.

The amount we add to the atmosphere is easily calculable, currently 26 gigatons per year. Thats 26 BILLION metric tons. We've increased the CO2 by nearly 50% in the atmosphere. You dont need to be Einstein to understand thats going to have repercussions. And those repercussions are patently obvious by looking at the temperature records, which when compared to pre-historic (ice core and other methodologies) also show this is by no means a natural phase shift. You're deluding yourself by believing otherwise and citing what you read in the comments section of Breitbart.

The first step in dealing with any problem is acknowledging it. Again, I'm guilty as anyone here, not getting up on my high horse. Enjoy it while it last gents, because it wont be for long.

Patrick Moore WAS NOT a co-founder of Greenpeace, which you can easily establish for yourself with 10 seconds on google. That was an invention by shills for the oil industry to try and give him more credibility, which despite being repeatedly debunked continues to live on.

Pat Moore was a member of Greenpeace, but after being active for a few years he dropped out and became a total shill for lobbyists and industries that could pay him for his "testimony". He's made a career out of shamelessly selling his word to the highest bidder.

In case you have any doubt, this is the same charlatan who insisted on TV that roundup is safe to drink, then got called out by asking him to drink a glass. If you really want to present this guy as credible i suggest proving it by having a glass of roundup to show you really mean it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM

C02 problem solved check!!!!!!!

You mean it's not real???

We are over due for an ice age so the more carbon dioxide (the same stuff we breath out) the better. Also the plants love it. Want to stop climate change plant a tree. You want to pay out the ass for everything and have absolutely nothing change vote for Hillary.

BLOWN - You are forgetting about that volcano that put out more global warming gasses in one year than man has since the beginning. Why are we not boiling right now???
Drink some more global warming KOOLADE. Tell me what would happen if that big ball of glowing hydrogen in the sky was to cool off even 1%... Sounds to me like you are not very old since I can remember when I was younger they were forecasting that we were headed for another ice age. So if the data back then was showing that we were heading into an ice age how can that same data now show that we are heating up??? If you tell me that they were wrong back then then what is to say that 40 years from now the then "EXPERTS" tell everyone that they were wrong back in 2016.

Tinkerer, if you really wanted to learn the answer you could spend half an hour and actually understand how the carbon cycle works, and that would dispel the childlike understanding of it which you currently hold. Maybe you should try that instead of mindlessly repeating the garbage that is astro-turfed by shills for the petro industry. Since you asked:

You're right that Carbon is released through volcanic eruptions. This occurs at not exactly a static fixed rate, but averages out as so. Carbon is also deposited back into the earth, the primary means being absorption into the oceans and then deposited through sea-life that eventually becomes material like limestone. Fluctuations in the expulsion rate versus the absorption rate is what produces a natural cycle of variance in global temperatures through the aeons.

Now come along humans who MASSIVELY increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, as previously stated 80 BILLION metric tons, each and every year, and still growing. It doesnt take a genius to understand that the absorption rate doesnt suddenly jump to accommodate human lifestyles. Nor does it take a genius to actually see the proof of that: CO2 levels rising dramatically. Nor does it take a genius to understand that if CO2 is directly responsible for capturing heat in the atmosphere, that increasing those levels will result in higher temperatures.

By the way, what you read on Breitbart, that a volcano emits more CO2 than humans throughout history? Utter and complete bunk. Its not even close, humans emit more than 100x the CO2 that volcanoes do per year. You can actually read and learn about it (or let me guess, all the scientists in the world are in on a big conspiracy for the tiny pay they receive in the pursuit of knowledge?) http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...oes-or-humans/

For that matter you can also learn about the carbon cycle yourself, if you actually would like to learn something. http://teeic.indianaffairs.gov/er/ca...boninfo/cycle/

So, Tinkerer, the point is you dont have to be a genius to understand all this. You just have to want to actually understand truth, rather than denying uncomfortable realities that clash with your lifestyle.

Regarding "Tell me what would happen if that big ball of glowing hydrogen in the sky was to cool off even 1%"... If the thermal output of the sun was to diminish by 1%, there would be a measurable cooling effect upon our atmosphere. But... thesun hasn't diminished its energy output by 1% in the last century (it hasn't at all). Nor does that make any sense as an argument whatsoever since we're experiencing remarkable heating, not cooling.

Last point, I'm 42, so what? I do know about the astro-turfed propaganda claiming that "the scientific community" pushed global cooling in the 80's. Thats is factually and demonstrably baloney that has been put forward by the energy companies. Yes, a very few handful of scientists hypothesized that this may be the case back in those days. First of all this was back in a period in which we knew a lot less about the global climate works. Second of all there are ALWAYS going to be a few scientists (amongst hundreds of thousands or millions) who will propose hypotheses that are totally bunk. These claims were totally at odds with the vast majority of climate scientists. They nothing to do with scientific consensus, and is a canard that could be used to refute any truth and logic. Obviously you dont understood much about the scientific method and peer review.

These kind of discussions are just sad. You dont argue with scientists about how aerodynamic lift works, you just take those flights. You dont argue with your doctors that you know better than them about which medicines you should take, you just take your pills. Everything in your world that is a product of science, you understand that people have devoted their lives to the pursuit of knowledge. But on this one issue, because its inconvenient for you, you pretend to have a better understanding about processes that you haven't even spent half an hour trying to understand, versus people who have devoted their lives to. Its willfully dumbing yourself down, and risking the future of your children.

The weather man can`t tell me if it`s going to rain and be 60* or sunshine all day and 75* but somehow they are going to predict world events?








Doctors are wrong all the time and conparing erodynamic lift to world temps is a little bit like apples and monkeys