Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 4444188)

Isn't it just easier to go to Miami?

All the signs are in spanish and you can't understand anything anyone says. And all the women are Cuban.

Plus there are nicer hotels and places to eat on every block!

Key West to Havana is about the same as Palm Beach to Miami.

Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 4444196)

Not really as you will be crossing the gulf stream

Originally Posted by BigSilverCat (Post 4444133)

Reason there was no go pro footage and all the videos of it doing the actual run are pulled down is because it was glass smooth the whole way and they were claiming 9 foot seas. They literally said they had blisters on there hands from throttling so much in the rough water.

I take my endurance runs pretty serious. I normally wouldn't call someone out this bad but I have given them every chance to tell the truth and they haven't.

I did lots of research the days prior to them doing the run, the day of run, the days after run.

First thing is weather reports: We have weather routing companies that we use that are really accurate. They all said it was 1 foot seas or less from start to finish. That there was no way it was bigger in the middle. The wind reports from 15 different companies showed 2 - 4 MPH wind from the south west that morning they did the run. Which that wind direction would be going with the current that goes between cuba and key west to not stack the water up.

First hand people on site: We talked to people that were in key west that morning, fishing charters that night asking them about the water conditions towards cuba that morning. Coast guard that was between keywest and cuba, commercial boats that were in the area, and people in cuba when they arrived. They all said the water was glass smooth and no wind (which all the pics and videos from that day show.)

Weather bouys: there are bouys between keywest and cuba that all showed hardly any wind and 0-1 waves and 0-2 occasional long duration swells.

Then comes the record time: The record was supposed to be from dock to dock and we made a chart of the spot tracker locations the whole way with average speed, distance, time, ect. and we gave them the benefit of doubt by starting our chart several miles away from the island and moving that direction and stopped our chart before they made it to cuba. According to the spot tracker it was more then 1 hour 50 minuites not counting each end. They say they did the record in 1 hour 30 min.

The spot tracker worked the whole way and it is gps based just like the ones in the boat so how did they "mysteriously loose all gps signals in the boat" or have there gps "blocked by the government"?

The video they uploaded a few days after the run and said "this is video from the run" showing how rough it was. If you watch the video there are a few problems. In the video the boat did not have the same stickers on the side that it did when it left key west or arrived in cuba. So they must have left the dock and stopped, pulled the stickers off, took the helicopter video, then stopped and put the stickers back on. Seems like a lot of work when your doing a record run. And if you pay closer attention the helicopter was on the starboard side of boat. The boat was running south west in the morning, how was the sun shinning on the starboard side? Could have been a big reflector on the helicopter for the photo shoot. The waves they are running in the video were cresting from the north-east which is backwards of what they should be according to the wind/wave/current reports.

There is a lot more wrong with the story but I will leave it there. Here is a chart of the spot tracker and a video link from cuba showing how smooth the water was.

The reason I take this pretty serious is because they say they averaged 90 MPH the whole way in rough seas. When they only really averaged in the 50 MPH range in smooth water. If I go to try to beat this record and its rough and I average 89 MPH I would not set the record?

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Originally Posted by SB (Post 4444579)

Why do people way lie about their hp and GPS speeds ?

Originally Posted by SB (Post 4444579)

Why do people way lie about their hp and GPS speeds ?

Originally Posted by SB (Post 4444579)

Why do people way lie about their hp and GPS speeds ?

Originally Posted by sb (Post 620683)

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Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4444924)

It's no big deal going to Cuba. Even before OBummer lifted the sanctions. It's just coming back to the US that can be a problem.

Problem being the US not Cuba.

If the German is not a US citizen should be NP at all.

There is a small departure tax , but that should not have been a problem.

Originally Posted by ttuton (Post 4444036)

It's my understanding that they broke one of the M8's near the very end of the run. They were running 90+ the whole run even in 8-10's. This is what I heard from Mark when he was at the shootout last year.

Originally Posted by ttuton (Post 4444036)

It's my understanding that they broke one of the M8's near the very end of the run. They were running 90+ the whole run even in 8-10's. This is what I heard from Mark when he was at the shootout last year.

Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4445490)

This is simple....

you were half drunk, the guy is from Europe. You simply forgot the conversion factor to the metric system. So 8 to 10 centimeters is actually 3-4 inches. which is consistant with forecasts, webcam footage and eyewitness statements.

Originally Posted by ttuton (Post 4445553)

I don't drink and McManus is from Florida.

Originally Posted by Nastybug (Post 4445571)

So then whats the story here. Is the record run a bunch of bull or was it confirmed that it was broken. Was wondering can the boat run 90mph in 8 to 10s. Ive seen a lot of races but legit 8 to 10s seems a little much.

Originally Posted by Stuckonstupid (Post 4445576)

Nothing that size can run 90 mph in 8'-10' seas assuming the tide is against you, If it were possible they would still be trying to get there as they would be going backwards just as much as they would be going forwards.

Originally Posted by ttuton (Post 4445553)

I don't drink and McManus is from Florida.

Originally Posted by jusabum (Post 4509666)

I don't believe they ever saw 8' to 10's, maybe 3' to 5's swells. And like JS said, they must have taken a 30 minute power nap. This industry seems to bring out the best in a person's ability to stretch the truth.

This event seems to be an extreme hype about nothing and ends up with more questions than it started with. I'm not even sure what they set a record for, and weren't they supposed to do 3 records? Now the boat is sitting in Cuba rotting away? This whole thing doesn't make sense. Something went "very" wrong and it hasn't been made public.

Originally Posted by bck (Post 4510028)

German newspapers have reported on Kluh, his relationship with Cuba and why the boat is there. It's only a mystery to Americans because U.S. news organizations could care less about a rich German and his Apache. Seems like the fate of the boat and the details of whether it actually broke a record is something that would be worth looking into by some reporter who reports on high performance boating news. Doesn't one frequent the site?