Boating United Calling For Comments On EPA Ethanol Plans
 

A call to action from Boating United, http://speedonthewater.com/in-the-ne...-ethanol-plans.

To the top! A worthy cause. Only takes a second of your time. Let's keep ethanol out of our boats!

Done ! Thank you for bringing this opportunity to be heard.

A normal spring for me is dealing with approx 5-8 carburetors brought to me that have ethanol related issues. Typically, these carburetors have just sat for the winter. You cannot miss the ethanol damage, it is a white granular dried jelly type substance, and the metal (aluminum, zinc, etc) will be white and flaky.

Not my photos, but this is just like some of the worse one's:
http://motorcycleppf.com/wp-content/...cle-fuel-1.jpg

http://www.americanrestomods.com/wp-...nol_damage.jpg

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What the EPA has apparently not yet figured out about boats and Ethanol is that the average age of the boating fleet is much older than the average age of the automotive fleet. For instance, in any mall parking lot, how many carbureted engines do you think you’d find? Probably zero. Now go to any marina and ask the same question. What you’d find is that the majority of marine engines are still carbureted – because they’re so much older.

So why is the age of the fleet such an important question? Because most fuel injected engines were designed and built with at least some consideration for Ethanol in the fuel. That means that they were designed and built for the special issues that Ethanol causes. Gasoline with some amount of Ethanol is not a bad thing – if the engine it goes into is designed for it. Almost no older / carbureted engines were designed or built with consideration for anything like Ethanol. That’s why these older engines are having so many problems. And since percentage wise there are more older engines in the boating fleet, these engines are seeing many more issues such as clogged carburetors and fuel filters leading to rough running or non-starting engines. (And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.)

If gasoline with Ethanol is such a great thing for boats, let me ask a question: Why do so many marinas offer gasoline without Ethanol when virtually no gas stations on dry land offer such an alternative?

first thing I do when my car starts throwing emissions warnings is to find some corn free gas and a spirited ride. what would otherwise be a $500+ bmw bill to replace parts is solved with one tank of corn free gas. we need our farmers putting food in the bellies of folks not in our gas tanks.

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Brought to you by the same idiots that have ruined everything we hold dear, our Federal Government.

And when have they ever been wrong?

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Just follow the money if you want to know where this legislation is coming from because it certainly isn't being done for the welfare of this planet.

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Exactly. But don't mention that around the Cat Can Do/American Ethanol/Ignite Racing Fuel crowd. They'll send their 12 year old promotional manager after you :)[ATTACH=CONFIG]556323[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]556324[/ATTACH]

Not 20 minutes later the posts were deleted and I was blocked. No argument, ethanol has it's place in some radical situations.....NOT for the everyday boater.

TeamSaris - some fights are worth fighting, and this is one of them.

Most of us are performance minded people and understand the benefits of E85 . Also understand the - 's and would not use it blindly,and thus probably run into few if any issues to if we decided to use it too.

Issue is E10, and E15 would be worse, where the vehicles at hand weren't built for them and the owners not aware enough nor skilled enough to deal with it.

Also, many of us Northern boaters have boats that have fuel in tanks and carb's or fi that see temps from -30F to 100F. Humidity from 0% to 100%. This draws in humidity in all of itself.

Anyway, for a marina or boat shop 'guru' to say it is all BS, well, is either in a place there is no chance for humidity to get in the fuel or is blinded for a reason.

It is not right for him to say this andmany of us will come forward and say so.

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Absolutely!

I am not PRO e10 or any form of E fuels but will have to say this as I have brought up many of times. A form of alcohol has been in the fuel supply since 1974 and the phase out of lead. the energy crisis of the 70's also brought upon adding alcohol to the fuel. It was called GASOHOL and also winter gas in the northern states. They just never talked about it nor label it back then at the gas stations.

Also when I first moved to Texas back in the very early 80's they had 5 % methanol in the fuel supply at the gas pumps here - Methanol is even worst than E 10 - it is very corrosive and caused huge vapor lock conditions - some label the 5 % Methanol on the pumps with a very tiny sticker but many did not back in those days.

1979 video as I even remembered it on TV. link below watch it and again it was called gasohol back then. really nothing has changed.

Also fuel water seperating filters has been on boats for about 35 to 40 years now gas side and diesel marine side forever - why because even NON ethanol gas still got water it 40 years ago. Think about it they were installed 35 to 40 years ago not for looks but because water got into the fuel as well. Some of you guys were not even born. Old timers should know this already and remember all of that plus all the info out about gasohol way back in the 70's during huge energy crisis. Hell the lines at the gas pumps were miles long for fill ups during the energy crisis. The alcohol was added back then to help a bit against USA depended of foreign oil. . Just saying

Video of gasohol 1979

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYHoeIvb8I4

E10 is causing terrible issues for boaters, snowmobiles, classic cars, any two-stroke....E15 will only make things worse. The water being sucked in is a minor part of the issue BUP. Water Separating fuel filters have been around for a long time, but they weren't designed to be a band aid for this disaster.
We've seen melted fuel lines, a few fiberglass fuel tanks totally ruined (it's not just Skaters), scorn pistons, etc. It's awful stuff and it's worth standing up for ourselves.

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Awesome guys! Keep em coming!