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tzrider 06-26-2016 07:23 AM

Ouch.. Boat fall from crane in marathon
 
http://wsvn.com/news/local/speedboat...ed-from-crane/

SB 06-26-2016 07:26 AM

That suks !

Nice reporting (not) "A luxury speedboat..."

Speedracer29 06-26-2016 07:45 AM

9 out of 10 boat builders agree....That IS NOT the preferred way to create an opening for a Bomar hatch....

Mario L. 06-26-2016 08:20 AM

Poorly built!

Jupiter Sunsation 06-26-2016 08:35 AM

beak was too heavy!

AZMIDLYF 06-26-2016 08:48 AM

Wow that is terrible.

Drock78 06-26-2016 08:59 AM

A fountain having rot issues...say it isn't so? Lol

glassdave 06-26-2016 09:08 AM

Glad no one was hurt. Man that sucks. Im kinda curious as to why that happened those Fountain SV's are pretty well built, I wouldnt think something like that was even possible.

Nuke427 06-26-2016 09:42 AM

That is wild.. Beer cooler in the cabin loaded too early I guess.

AZMIDLYF 06-26-2016 10:59 AM

They just won their class so I guess it wasn't as bad as it looked. Barring any GPS breakout of course.

Cash Bar 06-26-2016 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF (Post 4453261)
They just won their class so I guess it wasn't as bad as it looked.

Maybe that 2nd pad near the bow helped. LOL

AZMIDLYF 06-26-2016 08:43 PM

Minus all the lifting gear too.

klaatutooyou 06-26-2016 09:04 PM

they worked all nite to repair it.you should have heard it hit the ground !!! it landed hard .I was 10 feet away .fortunately it was so low to ground when it went

dlange 06-26-2016 09:32 PM

Poor rigging.

Sydwayz 06-26-2016 09:44 PM

"Yo, Bubba, does that stringer look right to you?"
"I think you're right Moe, Imma get a better look at it; hold on a second."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NkupMuKq7s

murfman 06-26-2016 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by dlange (Post 4453396)
Poor rigging.

How do you call that poor rigging?

Waterboy123 06-27-2016 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by murfman (Post 4453421)
How do you call that poor rigging?

No spreader bar would be my guess.

AZMIDLYF 06-27-2016 08:56 AM

My thoughts as well ^^^

Ryan Beckley 06-27-2016 10:03 AM

The "D" rings in the deck were through bolted, all the way down through aluminum angle prob 36" long. The entire bulkhead ripped out of the boat and through the deck. This was fiberglass, rot, maintenance issue.....

Tom A. 06-27-2016 10:06 AM

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That was not poor rigging, that was structural failure of lifting hook mount.
The rigging was at a very minimal angle more than sufficient to safely lift up without putting a lateral load on the lifting points or needing a spreader bar.
You can hear the bulkhead and deck popping right before it lets go.
There is even a section of the boat that pulls out with the rigging.

I know a little something about rigging.

Waterboy123 06-27-2016 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Tom A. (Post 4453555)
That was not poor rigging, that was structural failure of lifting hook mount.
The rigging was at a very minimal angle more than sufficient to safely lift up without putting a lateral load on the lifting points or needing a spreader bar.
You can hear the bulkhead and deck popping right before it lets go.
There is even a section of the boat that pulls out with the rigging.

I know a little something about rigging.

I agree the angle wasn't extreme (certainly not compared to some jobs I've seen) and my thoughts are certainly looks to be more a boat structural defect, however I was always taught to keep the lines as straight as possible hence the comment that a spreader bar wouldn't have gone amiss.

DRAG 06-27-2016 04:46 PM

This may be a really dumbass question from a rookie, but on a boat that size why lift it? Why don't they just launch it like all us low folks?

mike tkach 06-27-2016 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by DRAG (Post 4453707)
This may be a really dumbass question from a rookie, but on a boat that size why lift it? Why don't they just launch it like all us low folks?

i was thinking the same thing,it seems to me like it would be quicker to back the trailer in and drive it off than lifting&setting it into the water.

dlange 06-27-2016 09:16 PM

LIFT POINTS, hardware, materials, center of gravity, load capacity, tag lines etc are all considered rigging.

Failed RIGGING was to blame when a lift point broke free from the load the crane was attempting to pick.

You a crane hand as well Tom?

glassdave 06-27-2016 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by DRAG (Post 4453707)
This may be a really dumbass question from a rookie, but on a boat that size why lift it? Why don't they just launch it like all us low folks?


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4453714)
i was thinking the same thing,it seems to me like it would be quicker to back the trailer in and drive it off than lifting&setting it into the water.

Most times it much easier at certain venues plus a lot of racers just dont want to dunk the trailer in salt. In our case with the cat it had crash boxes and getting around a marina ramp can be difficult.

Tom A. 06-28-2016 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by dlange (Post 4453821)
LIFT POINTS, hardware, materials, center of gravity, load capacity, tag lines etc are all considered rigging.

Failed RIGGING was to blame when a lift point broke free from the load the crane was attempting to pick.

You a crane hand as well Tom?

Heavy Highway and Construction Company - Family owned (I'm a share holder) and in the business development end now. However I have run equipment since I was 12, ran through the field ranks up to superintendent, project manager, etc.

As for the how far do you call it rigging, its really splitting hairs when the certified lifting hook or eye is still embedded in the material itself that gave way. We had a similar situation on a precast concrete section that broke free. The lifting eye was still firmly embedded in a chunk of concrete that sheared off do to what appeared to be an air pocket in the pour. The final analysis was the rigging was 100% and the material it was lifting failed. To me this is the same thing. If you pull out a piece of bulkhead, the boat failed not the rigging.

klaatutooyou 06-28-2016 11:18 AM

I,ve known the correct answer to what happened all along .
SOMETHING BROKE !!!!!!
:helmet:

Turbojack 06-28-2016 11:51 AM

Not a crane man here but I would think the load that was being applied to the hook not being a straight up load helped shear the bulkhead out of the boat.The bulkhead might have not given way if it was lifted straight up vs being pulled to the back of the boat

Tom, Your picture is lifting what looks like an I beam to me. I do not think there is a beam keeping the lifting points separate, is there?

dlange 06-28-2016 11:57 AM

I work at Arby's. I apologize for posting and wasting everyones time. I don't even own a boat.

Ryan Beckley 06-28-2016 12:24 PM

BTW this is about a 15 year old RACE BOAT that we are talking about here, it probably weighs 8000# is was one of Fountain's factory built boats......

Blueabyss 06-28-2016 12:42 PM

My guess is it was full of rain water and pumps were not connected to battery. There for too heavy for its lift points.

akaboatman 06-28-2016 01:50 PM

The crane weighs the race boats when launching the boats before a race an when retrieving the boats after a race. Has to be in compliance with there class.

Tom A. 06-28-2016 02:53 PM

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Again, there are all types of rigging and correct ways of lifting. Without going into geometry and lateral loads, those types of lifting cables and the eyes attached to the boats are designed to lift straight or on an angle and as long as they stay within certain limits. Most of the lifting eyes are designed to have very little lateral load when picked at a 45 degree angle or less. You need stronger cables as the angle shrinks however.

Keytime 06-28-2016 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by dlange (Post 4454031)
I work at Arby's. I apologize for posting and wasting everyones time. I don't even own a boat.

For fast food, you guys make a fine Reuben. Just sayin'.

AZMIDLYF 06-28-2016 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Keytime (Post 4454119)
For fast food, you guys make a fine Reuben. Just sayin'.

Jamocha shake not too shabby either!

Keytime 06-28-2016 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF (Post 4454150)
Jamocha shake not too shabby either!

And those curly fries! I know I shouldn't eat 'em, but it's a guilty pleasure.

AZMIDLYF 06-28-2016 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Keytime (Post 4454174)
And those curly fries! I know I shouldn't eat 'em, but it's a guilty pleasure.

http://x17online.com/media/images/20...leo-speaks.jpg

DRAG 06-28-2016 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4453827)
Most times it much easier at certain venues plus a lot of racers just dont want to dunk the trailer in salt. In our case with the cat it had crash boxes and getting around a marina ramp can be difficult.

Good point. I wouldn't dunk my trailer in salt let alone a really nice myco or something

tommymonza 06-28-2016 10:28 PM

My guess is the foam stringers covered with one layer of 17-08 finally failed while lifting.

These light weight built boats are not built for a lifetime of service.

Be glad it failed on land , now send it to the grinder and build a new one.


There is a ton of old racing sailboats that see a 1000th of the direct impact these boats see that have been destroyed.

JUPITER PULSARE 06-29-2016 12:30 PM

The bottom line is that years of being craned in and craned out of the water took it's toll on the mounting points/glasswork of the D lifting rings and failed. It does not make the boat a bad boat and is something that was not easily recognized or diagnosed. When you're lookiing for structural fatigue in a race boat you are usually looking at stringers, transoms, bottoms, etc; not the joint where the bulkhead meets the deck or lifting eye. The boat was repaired and went on to win P3 class with an average lap speed of 73+ mph..


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