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Interceptor 03-12-2017 11:17 AM

All you Boyne Thunder entrants probably don't know there's a decommissioned nuke plant nearby north of Char.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ro...ar_Power_Plant

DanWentworth 03-12-2017 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 4536675)
We can do better

I like the Bill Gates approach to nuclear:
Develop technology to use the existing waste.
Been working on it for a decade.

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060051090

RidnMcNasty 03-12-2017 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by DanWentworth (Post 4536754)
I like the Bill Gates approach to nuclear:
Develop technology to use the existing waste.
Been working on it for a decade.

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060051090

Good read. Thanks for sharing.
https://whatisnuclear.com/articles/recycling.html
that is the technology that is employed overseas. Unfortunately, until some new legislation concerning nucealr power is derived in the US, we wont be able to do any of this.

kidturbo 03-12-2017 05:45 PM

I just want a permit to shoot silver carp. Let's start with something easy. :silenced:

sheperd 03-12-2017 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 4536456)
History lesson. The company, Enbridge, that owns Line 5 which runs under Lake Michigan at the Straits also owns the line that ruptured in the Kalamazoo River five years ago. Over 850,000 gallons of raw crude into the river. Multi billion dollar cleanup and fines.

Yea. The greens I'm sure sit around their monthly meeting thanking their lucky stars that this happened. It's something they enjoy hanging their hat on. Pipelines are the safest and most efficient mode of transportation
for oil. Is there a chance it could leak? Absolutely. Is it likely to? No. Shut it down and they will just use a different, riskier, mode to get it from point A to point B.

sheperd 03-12-2017 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 4536457)
Just curious, what's wrong with developing other sources of energy also? Are you beholden to the oil industry in some aspect?

Yes, as a matter of fact I am. Without them I can't fill my gas tank.

I'm all for developing alternative sources of energy but lets fully develop them before installing. Unfortunately, the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine. Instead of subsidIzing something that doesn't fully work, lets spend that money on researching and developing the technology to solve the problem.

Indy 03-12-2017 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by sheperd (Post 4536907)
Yes, as a matter of fact I am. Without them I can't fill my gas tank.

I'm all for developing alternative sources of energy but lets fully develop them before installing. Unfortunately, the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine. Instead of subsidIzing something that doesn't fully work, lets spend that money on researching and developing the technology to solve the problem.

It gets better with each and every development, research and developing technology is working. Keep it up IMO.

BTW...I need gas for my tank too, but fuk the rag heads, the only thing that keeps us in that sh!thole wasteland is oil...they sure as heck don't have anything else to offer us.

hustlerguy 03-12-2017 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 4536911)
It gets better with each and every development, research and developing technology is working. Keep it up IMO.

BTW...I need gas for my tank too, but fuk the rag heads, the only thing that keeps us in that sh!thole wasteland is oil...they sure as heck don't have anything else to offer us.

It's working? Not really... Wind, solar, it's all subsidized by the government aka your tax money, and it all looses money so far.

The technology that does work for electricity without subsidy, Nuclear, coal, natural gas and we have tight restrictions to darn near kill it driving those prices up just to justify wasting money on the Solar and wind projects.
If your so into waste as you said before. Cut out the stupid regulations on Nuclear and Coal and Natural gas and for electricity we are independent.
For Oil/Gasoline purposes. As the middle east countries cut production to raise prices the USA has increased production to stabilize the price. The USA at this point has the ability to be completely self sufficient on Oil and Electricity and the prices reasonable without government wasted money.

If someone wants to develop solar and wind that work I'm all for it. Just do it on there companies dime not the taxpayer dime.

Since all the regulations on how we make electricity has increased over the lat 8 years, did you notice electricity went up also every year. Notice how we were told wind and solar were going to keep electricity prices low (kinda like health care). What a expensive Joke
Government can not regulate things and keep prices low. It has not happened in the history of the USA. Why are healthcare drugs so much more expensive in USA than Canada or Mexico or anywhere? GOVERNMENT INVOLVED REGULATIONS!

So getting back to the real subject of this thread.
Cutting money from the Great Lakes AKA Researchers slush fund. I'm all for it spend 20% of the money efficiently, stop all the bull crap programs. Do it in all areas of the Government!

We have to see the difference between wants and needs! The Government wants to spend a crap load of money on nothing, but we need to spend as little money as possible and get as much as we can, this means getting people involved that accomplish things not just talk about things!

PowerplayDave 03-12-2017 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by hustlerguy (Post 4536918)
It's working? Not really... Wind, solar, it's all subsidized by the government aka your tax money, and it all looses money so far.

The technology that does work for electricity without subsidy, Nuclear, coal, natural gas and we have tight restrictions to darn near kill it driving those prices up just to justify wasting money on the Solar and wind projects.
If your so into waste as you said before. Cut out the stupid regulations on Nuclear and Coal and Natural gas and for electricity we are independent.
For Oil/Gasoline purposes. As the middle east countries cut production to raise prices the USA has increased production to stabilize the price. The USA at this point has the ability to be completely self sufficient on Oil and Electricity and the prices reasonable without government wasted money.

If someone wants to develop solar and wind that work I'm all for it. Just do it on there companies dime not the taxpayer dime.

Since all the regulations on how we make electricity has increased over the lat 8 years, did you notice electricity went up also every year. Notice how we were told wind and solar were going to keep electricity prices low (kinda like health care). What a expensive Joke
Government can not regulate things and keep prices low. It has not happened in the history of the USA. Why are healthcare drugs so much more expensive in USA than Canada or Mexico or anywhere? GOVERNMENT INVOLVED REGULATIONS!

So getting back to the real subject of this thread.
Cutting money from the Great Lakes AKA Researchers slush fund. I'm all for it spend 20% of the money efficiently, stop all the bull crap programs. Do it in all areas of the Government!

We have to see the difference between wants and needs! The Government wants to spend a crap load of money on nothing, but we need to spend as little money as possible and get as much as we can, this means getting people involved that accomplish things not just talk about things!

Depending on who you want to believe oil companies are subsidized by you and I to the tune of 20-50 billion a year.

RollWithIt 03-12-2017 09:32 PM

I don't claim to be an expert in this field. Just an enthusiast who would like to see better options. I know that things are always more complicated than they appear when reading basic articles on how renewable energy can work. I definitely have my environmental concerns as I appreciate the beauty of the only world we have to live on and hope my son will get to enjoy it along with his children.... I just hope the experts do figure things out before it is too late.


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