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CIG3 04-12-2017 07:27 AM

Best Option For Performance Open Bow
 
Starting to look for a Performance Open bow or Mid Cabin for our trips to Florida every year. I really like to look and performance numbers of the Baja Islander 27 or 29 want to stay in the $30-40K range for a good used piece. We usually have 6-8 people when the family travels so I need the space that the 28 Cigarette doesn't offer. We are usually on Anna Maria or Siesta key for a week at a time. Any thought or suggestions would be appreciated.

Nate5.0 04-12-2017 07:55 AM

Slower option but have a friend with one around here that is great for this area.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...0-br-102999450

shunter2005 04-12-2017 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by CIG3 (Post 4545652)
Starting to look for a Performance Open bow or Mid Cabin for our trips to Florida every year. I really like to look and performance numbers of the Baja Islander 27 or 29 want to stay in the $30-40K range for a good used piece. We usually have 6-8 people when the family travels so I need the space that the 28 Cigarette doesn't offer. We are usually on Anna Maria or Siesta key for a week at a time. Any thought or suggestions would be appreciated.

If you want an MCOB or WTOB, you should take a look at west coast performance boats. The guys out there got their stuff together on MCOB/WTOB boats. East coast builders don't cater much to the open bow crowd. I was looking at Checkmate, but they only offered one boat in MCOB, so I started looking west. I finally was able to narrow my choices to 3 brands, but couldn't find one that I liked (or was in my budget limit). Then, someone suggested buying a closed deck and have it converted to MCOB. Long story, but the Reader's Digest version is, I found and bought a primo condition closed deck west coast boat last year and had it converted to MCOB and couldn't be happier. CD boats usually go cheaper out there, as most everyone wants open bow. I got the boat I wanted at a very good price (which included a top end job), had it converted to MCOB for less money than buying an existing MCOB. May not be the way for you, but at least it's an option to consider.

Nate5.0 04-12-2017 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by shunter2005 (Post 4545748)
If you want an MCOB or WTOB, you should take a look at west coast performance boats. The guys out there got their stuff together on MCOB/WTOB boats. East coast builders don't cater much to the open bow crowd. I was looking at Checkmate, but they only offered one boat in MCOB, so I started looking west. I finally was able to narrow my choices to 3 brands, but couldn't find one that I liked (or was in my budget limit). Then, someone suggested buying a closed deck and have it converted to MCOB. Long story, but the Reader's Digest version is, I found and bought a primo condition closed deck west coast boat last year and had it converted to MCOB and couldn't be happier. CD boats usually go cheaper out there, as most everyone wants open bow. I got the boat I wanted at a very good price (which included a top end job), had it converted to MCOB for less money than buying an existing MCOB. May not be the way for you, but at least it's an option to consider.

Just have to make sure it can take the beating of not being on a lake. Some of the west builders keep builds to the waters they boat on and some don't. Some homework would have to be had.

27'-29' isn't too big for these parts as it is.

BUP 04-12-2017 11:57 AM

one westcoast builder can handle the ocean. Laver Craft.-- they also make 3 versions of hulls. Closed bow, mid cabin (MCOB) and full open bow. just saying.

shunter2005 04-12-2017 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4545754)
one westcoast builder can handle the ocean. Laver Craft.-- they also make 3 versions of hulls. Closed bow, mid cabin (MCOB) and full open bow. just saying.

That is true. There is a Shockwave 29' Magnitude for sale in Lantana, Florida right now, but it's a closed deck. There are several other builders whose boats can handle the ocean. Howard and Hallett to name two.

Lavey Craft was one of the 3 boats I was interested in. Their 2750 is a fine boat. When I was out there looking, I went to Lavey Craft factory to check it out. Small operation, which I like and they build a very good boat.

Marginmn 04-12-2017 12:40 PM

I owned a Checkmate 270 mid-cabin bow rider and it was an ok boat, but after riding in Donzi's version of the midcabin, the 28 ZXO, I would have to say the Donzi is a much more solid boat. They can be had in the $40k range.

buck183 04-12-2017 10:29 PM

Surprised no one has mentioned Sunsation.

Nate5.0 04-13-2017 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by buck183 (Post 4545929)
Surprised no one has mentioned Sunsation.


Not going to find many Sunsation MCOB in that price range

ToMorrow44 04-13-2017 05:58 AM

I'll second the west coast boats if you're looking for a MCOB. Advantage, Lavey Craft, Hallett, Shockwave, are all great rough water boats. Don't listen to the "built for the lake" BS. All of those boats listed have been used offshore and I'd put them up against a Baja, Sunsation, Donzi, Fountain any day. Hell, theres a couple guys with 24' walk-thru open bow Lavey Crafts that have done Catalina runs.

Theres a couple of Advantages in your neck of the woods on boattrader, may be worth a look before you venture out west.

Nate5.0 04-13-2017 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by ToMorrow44 (Post 4545958)
I'll second the west coast boats if you're looking for a MCOB. Advantage, Lavey Craft, Hallett, Shockwave, are all great rough water boats. Don't listen to the "built for the lake" BS. All of those boats listed have been used offshore and I'd put them up against a Baja, Sunsation, Donzi, Fountain any day. Hell, theres a couple guys with 24' walk-thru open bow Lavey Crafts that have done Catalina runs.

Theres a couple of Advantages in your neck of the woods on boattrader, may be worth a look before you venture out west.

Not sure if that was directed at my comment but if it was you might want to actually read what I typed.

Yes Lavey is a great rough water boat.

blckkat 04-13-2017 06:43 AM

all the needs your describing has Go-fast Center Console written all over it, especially if you plan on running in the salt :whistle:
once had 5 kids and 6 adults on My Concept 27 and spent the whole day on the water without issue (except for two of my nieces complaining it was too fast:evilb:) Concept, Donzi, Scarab...all can be had in the $30-40k range.

Nate5.0 04-13-2017 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by blckkat (Post 4545967)
all the needs your describing has Go-fast Center Console written all over it, especially if you plan on running in the salt :whistle:
once had 5 kids and 6 adults on My Concept 27 and spent the whole day on the water without issue (except for two of my nieces complaining it was too fast:evilb:) Concept, Donzi, Scarab...all can be had in the $30-40k range.

I agree 100% but didn't want to go there as he never asked. To me a Scarab 302 Sport fits the bill here all day and can be found in that price. Has a cuddy and can more than handle the Gulf.

CIG3 04-13-2017 10:26 AM

Thanks for the suggestions. I know that a CC is an option but don't really care for the seating arrangements for any of them. Never saw the Donzi before today and I like it as well. I have looked at a few West Coast boats and they are an option as well even a party cat. I saw a Commander 28 Party Cat close by that looked interesting. Any thoughts?

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cqoAAO...~A/s-l1600.jpg

CIG3 04-13-2017 10:31 AM

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ToMorrow44 04-14-2017 05:32 PM

Not sure on the Commander to be honest. The place to ask that question would be riverdavesplace.com. Here's a few boats around your price range, as you can see theres quite a few out west. The Advantage is near-ish you:

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...ictory-705948/

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...let-102905025/

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/19...ser-103036700/

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forum...-1997-28-Eagle

Or do what shunter did and buy a super clean closed bow and have it converted to an open bow still under budget. People do this often and it's not a hack job
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/19...-270-102753130

northernoffshore 04-14-2017 08:15 PM

hurricane deck boat

shunter2005 04-14-2017 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by ToMorrow44 (Post 4546369)
Not sure on the Commander to be honest. The place to ask that question would be riverdavesplace.com. Here's a few boats around your price range, as you can see theres quite a few out west. The Advantage is near-ish you:

While the Commander may be a good boat, not sure I want to head out into the Atlantic Ocean in one. I would feel better if I was in a boat that had been proven in the past to handle the ocean.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...ictory-705948/

Looks like a very nice 28 Victory. I always liked the offset cabin entry in this boat and the circular staircase (ok, a small offset stepdown) to get into the cabin and especially cool to have a built in blender!!! Margaritas for everyone.....

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...let-102905025/

Have seen this boat on there for a while. If it's still for sale, it would be a very nice boat to own. Howards never last very long on the market.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/19...ser-103036700/

Tom, that sure looks like a nice straight bottom 270. This would be a sweet ride at the price listed, but you know I am biased.

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forum...-1997-28-Eagle

Any 28 or 30 Eagle would be a great boat to have. I know it's really what you are used to, but I am not a left side drive guy.

Or do what shunter did and buy a super clean closed bow and have it converted to an open bow still under budget. People do this often and it's not a hack job
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/19...-270-102753130

Another candidate for an MCOB conversion. Halletts, like Howards, don't come available all that often. However, when they do, most are in very good condition. Like I said, those west coast boys take real good care of their boats.

Most boats are born as a closed deck boat. The factory cuts the deck right out of the mold and it then becomes an MCOB or WTOB boat. Any of the west coast manufacturers can convert your closed deck boat into an MCOB easily and at a fairly reasonable cost. They have templates and do it all the time.

The boat purist vapor locks when someone talks of cutting a big hole in the deck, and I have to admit, it made me a little uncomfortable when I saw a picture of my boat with a huge hole cut in the deck. My first thought was, "What the hell have I done?", but when I finally saw the finished product, it was a site to behold.

AZMIDLYF 04-15-2017 12:00 AM

Might be a few options here:
http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forum...xed-Out-Marine

shunter2005 04-15-2017 12:32 AM


Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF (Post 4546425)

Good call on MOM.. They are very helpful. Also, several good places in River Dave's classifieds, including Boats and Watercraft section. Also, Horizon Motorsports, Boulder Boats, Coastal Motor Group and several others.

CLASSIC MUSCLE 04-15-2017 02:03 PM

Good luck finding a Sunsation or Donzi MCOB priced reasonably. They're rare to start with, but when I did find one for sale I felt they were asking $10-15K above what they should have been. Guys asking $55,000 for 12-14 year old boats with 400-500 hours that will likely need major $$$ invested soon. I bought a closed bow and am going to wait until the market for the MCOB's cools a little.

BradmanVA 04-19-2017 07:46 AM

Shot you a PM give me a call to discuss if you wish. Thanks


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