Up & Over...
11-12-2017, 09:36 PM
#22
Thats actually a slight right hand dogleg bend at the entrance of the mole leading into the harbor turn. Boats tend to bunch to the outside (shore side) of the course right there and it gets very tight at that speed. Technically if theres a mechanical issue protocol dictates going to the inside of the course and wait out the race but its not uncommon to spool down and come in there . . . if and only if you have assured cleared distance and race control clears it . . .been there done that. I really think it is an unfortunate series of very fast and very close together mis calcs that led up to it and i am glad everyone was OK . . . fiberglass can be fixed . . . i do agree the bulk of the events lies on CMS though
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Last edited by glassdave; 11-12-2017 at 09:38 PM.
11-13-2017, 07:58 AM
#23
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Significant deck damage.
11-13-2017, 10:20 AM
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[QUOTE=TENSION;4593181]From the laith pharoan driving school........[/QUOT Zero Defect, I remember that.....I like your wit!
11-13-2017, 07:49 PM
#26
thats busted up pretty bad, theres guys out there that can make it right tho.
most important they made it out, and i hope they come back next year
most important they made it out, and i hope they come back next year
11-13-2017, 11:05 PM
#27
Pasting in some info I put on FB in another conversation:
When you break down, you turn infield and wait for permission from Race Control for a clear path to cross the active race course into the pits. That's the rules, which they all know and sat through a daily briefing on.
Instead, CMS opted to bang an immediate right into the pits while on the active race course, directly into the path of the CT boat behind them; a fundamental and catastrophic mistake that was lucky not to have killed anyone. There is no "pit lane". The reason for the rule to turn infield is so that there is NOT a collision which would send a boat into the spectators; which this very well could have. There are no "right turns" off the race course in Key West. The infield is where rescue and mechanical (towing/sinking) assistance is waiting for competitors, not the pits. To enter the pits, you come off plane into the infield, get permission to cross, and then enter the pits, period. Similarly, that's the way EVERY race is ended as well. Even if the orange CMS boat was taking on water, he would sit out in the middle and sink without permission from Race Control to leave/cross the active race course to enter the pits.
I can see why they made the mistake, and can say if it were me; I might have made the same one. They were off the pace due to mechanical failure further back down the race course, and likely thought they would just tuck into the pits and call it a day. These race teams have spotters as well, and this was a breakdown on several levels, unfortunately. Regardless of where the CMS boat was on the course, the CT boat "knew" according to the rules that they were to pass on the outside. When CMS banged the right, that's when things went haywire. If CMS was behind a bouy like was once mentioned, there would not have been a lane for the white CT Team boat to have been in.
I was told by two different reliable resources that CMS conceded fault to the CT Team afterward; and is working with them on replacing the deck of the CT boat with a spare that they had.
Also, look how close this is to spectators; and the actual Race Control tower. A few feet, a few seconds, a different breeze, or a different last second rudder adjustment; this could have been massively tragic.
https://www.rt.com/usa/409675-superb...e-crash-video/
When you break down, you turn infield and wait for permission from Race Control for a clear path to cross the active race course into the pits. That's the rules, which they all know and sat through a daily briefing on.
Instead, CMS opted to bang an immediate right into the pits while on the active race course, directly into the path of the CT boat behind them; a fundamental and catastrophic mistake that was lucky not to have killed anyone. There is no "pit lane". The reason for the rule to turn infield is so that there is NOT a collision which would send a boat into the spectators; which this very well could have. There are no "right turns" off the race course in Key West. The infield is where rescue and mechanical (towing/sinking) assistance is waiting for competitors, not the pits. To enter the pits, you come off plane into the infield, get permission to cross, and then enter the pits, period. Similarly, that's the way EVERY race is ended as well. Even if the orange CMS boat was taking on water, he would sit out in the middle and sink without permission from Race Control to leave/cross the active race course to enter the pits.
I can see why they made the mistake, and can say if it were me; I might have made the same one. They were off the pace due to mechanical failure further back down the race course, and likely thought they would just tuck into the pits and call it a day. These race teams have spotters as well, and this was a breakdown on several levels, unfortunately. Regardless of where the CMS boat was on the course, the CT boat "knew" according to the rules that they were to pass on the outside. When CMS banged the right, that's when things went haywire. If CMS was behind a bouy like was once mentioned, there would not have been a lane for the white CT Team boat to have been in.
I was told by two different reliable resources that CMS conceded fault to the CT Team afterward; and is working with them on replacing the deck of the CT boat with a spare that they had.
Also, look how close this is to spectators; and the actual Race Control tower. A few feet, a few seconds, a different breeze, or a different last second rudder adjustment; this could have been massively tragic.
https://www.rt.com/usa/409675-superb...e-crash-video/
Last edited by Sydwayz; 11-13-2017 at 11:09 PM.
11-14-2017, 04:43 AM
#28
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Pasting in some info I put on FB in another conversation:
When you break down, you turn infield and wait for permission from Race Control for a clear path to cross the active race course into the pits. That's the rules, which they all know and sat through a daily briefing on.
Instead, CMS opted to bang an immediate right into the pits while on the active race course, directly into the path of the CT boat behind them; a fundamental and catastrophic mistake that was lucky not to have killed anyone. There is no "pit lane". The reason for the rule to turn infield is so that there is NOT a collision which would send a boat into the spectators; which this very well could have. There are no "right turns" off the race course in Key West. The infield is where rescue and mechanical (towing/sinking) assistance is waiting for competitors, not the pits. To enter the pits, you come off plane into the infield, get permission to cross, and then enter the pits, period. Similarly, that's the way EVERY race is ended as well. Even if the orange CMS boat was taking on water, he would sit out in the middle and sink without permission from Race Control to leave/cross the active race course to enter the pits.
I can see why they made the mistake, and can say if it were me; I might have made the same one. They were off the pace due to mechanical failure further back down the race course, and likely thought they would just tuck into the pits and call it a day. These race teams have spotters as well, and this was a breakdown on several levels, unfortunately. Regardless of where the CMS boat was on the course, the CT boat "knew" according to the rules that they were to pass on the outside. When CMS banged the right, that's when things went haywire. If CMS was behind a bouy like was once mentioned, there would not have been a lane for the white CT Team boat to have been in.
I was told by two different reliable resources that CMS conceded fault to the CT Team afterward; and is working with them on replacing the deck of the CT boat with a spare that they had.
Also, look how close this is to spectators; and the actual Race Control tower. A few feet, a few seconds, a different breeze, or a different last second rudder adjustment; this could have been massively tragic.
https://www.rt.com/usa/409675-superb...e-crash-video/
When you break down, you turn infield and wait for permission from Race Control for a clear path to cross the active race course into the pits. That's the rules, which they all know and sat through a daily briefing on.
Instead, CMS opted to bang an immediate right into the pits while on the active race course, directly into the path of the CT boat behind them; a fundamental and catastrophic mistake that was lucky not to have killed anyone. There is no "pit lane". The reason for the rule to turn infield is so that there is NOT a collision which would send a boat into the spectators; which this very well could have. There are no "right turns" off the race course in Key West. The infield is where rescue and mechanical (towing/sinking) assistance is waiting for competitors, not the pits. To enter the pits, you come off plane into the infield, get permission to cross, and then enter the pits, period. Similarly, that's the way EVERY race is ended as well. Even if the orange CMS boat was taking on water, he would sit out in the middle and sink without permission from Race Control to leave/cross the active race course to enter the pits.
I can see why they made the mistake, and can say if it were me; I might have made the same one. They were off the pace due to mechanical failure further back down the race course, and likely thought they would just tuck into the pits and call it a day. These race teams have spotters as well, and this was a breakdown on several levels, unfortunately. Regardless of where the CMS boat was on the course, the CT boat "knew" according to the rules that they were to pass on the outside. When CMS banged the right, that's when things went haywire. If CMS was behind a bouy like was once mentioned, there would not have been a lane for the white CT Team boat to have been in.
I was told by two different reliable resources that CMS conceded fault to the CT Team afterward; and is working with them on replacing the deck of the CT boat with a spare that they had.
Also, look how close this is to spectators; and the actual Race Control tower. A few feet, a few seconds, a different breeze, or a different last second rudder adjustment; this could have been massively tragic.
https://www.rt.com/usa/409675-superb...e-crash-video/
Bob and Randy have a combined 60 years experience in offshore racing. How much experience did the driver of the white boat have at the time? He picked a very, very, very dangerous line roaring into the harbor, and attempted a blind pass of a slower boat with people and concrete everywhere. Still, this was a racing accident. It happens. CMS will fix its boat and the owner of the white boat will have to fix his. Thank goodness everyone was safe.
11-14-2017, 08:33 AM
#30
I'm guessing there's a 3rd story out there somewhere. But It's racing, accidents happen. Let's cheer to the fact that they "all" walked away from this and we don't have to be wishing them to RIP..
