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Phenomenon - Dirt cheap and still not worth it.
Wow, talk about the worst investment ever. I can't imagine the dollars they had into that beast.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/56ft-Powerboa...YAAOSwUchaICr3 |
Check out the Great American Concept. Kind of a cool 28'
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Wonder how it would perform with just two T55s as apposed to four?
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Originally Posted by Tborisch
(Post 4597135)
Wow, talk about the worst investment ever. I can't imagine the dollars they had into that beast.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/56ft-Powerboa...YAAOSwUchaICr3 Phenomenon wasn't an investment, it was the dream of a millionaire and Legendary Offshore Powerboat Racer "Al Copeland". What a beautiful looking boat, there is nothing like it, it is a one of a kind and it is to bad that some Millionaire doesn't buy it and finishes Al's dream with maybe different power, it would make one heck of Poker Run/Pleasure boat. |
AB Totally agree.
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I guess investment is the wrong term. It's just a total waste of money. For what they had into it, I would think they could have done WAY better. What a disaster.
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Originally Posted by Tborisch
(Post 4597175)
I guess investment is the wrong term. It's just a total waste of money. For what they had into it, I would think they could have done WAY better. What a disaster.
Give the hull away for free and you could still probably not sell it for what it would cost to re-rig it with piston power. |
From the little that I heard about the project, the problems they were having mostly were with the drive components/configuration. I think if they were to reconfigure the boat from four turbines/drives to twin late model T55s (4,800shp) and large BPM/Arneson drives, the boat might accomplish what they set out to do with it.
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https://www.offshoreonly.com/classif...ft-o71347.html
I think it's a horrendous waste of money but some would say the same about my boating history. It's all relevant to how much $$ you can afford to waste/enjoy! RR |
I wonder if you could fill the tunnel/deck and make it twins and have it run properly. Amazingly cool creation to have just rot away.
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good deal if your looking for a custom built poker run boat, saving a million dollars would make it o.k. if it wasn't the fastest.
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good deal if your looking for a custom built poker run boat, saving a million dollars would make it o.k. if it wasn't the fastest boat
cash bar yes it could be done all the buyer has to do is call glass dave and say your gonna need a bigger shop |
Why doesnt it run? Cant the canard carry the bow? What does it weigh?
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Originally Posted by Tborisch
(Post 4597135)
Wow, talk about the worst investment ever. I can't imagine the dollars they had into that beast.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/56ft-Powerboa...YAAOSwUchaICr3 |
Originally Posted by flat rate
(Post 4597350)
not judging but from the outside you seem to change your ideas of boating like some change pants. I’d guess percentage wise with there net worth it might be close. Just sucks they didn’t finish it. But I get it.
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I understand where you are coming from TBorisch, and agree, alot of money and time spent, especially to go slower than what many mystics have easily achieved. I didn't interrupt your post as negative, just interesting boating conversation, which is what this site is supposed to be about!
Honestly I wish there was more info about this boat, the testing, design, etc. But unfortunately they kept everything private, and my guess is because they were embarrassed by the results and were waiting for success to go public, which I don't blame them. Hey it's cool that they tried, and if they succeeded that would have been awesome! I also know where you are coming from better than most after you took me for a 191mph ride in Low Altitude through rough water turning at 140!!!! There's really nothing like a mystic and until you experience it first hand it's hard to fathom! |
I think the real question here is if I buy it, will XR's hold up?
It is a shame to see the project abandoned. Hopefully somebody can do something with it and get it on the water where it belongs. |
Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me
(Post 4597405)
I think the real question here is if I buy it, will XR's hold up?
It is a shame to see the project abandoned. Hopefully somebody can do something with it and get it on the water where it belongs. Boat sadly will probably end up in SW FL at that guy's shop that parts out boats then tries to sell the hull/trailer for too much! I think it is too big (to trailer), too big to run fast (needs 4 turbines!) and the rigging/new power alone will cost more than a brand new Mystic/Skater complete! |
What will it run with 1350's?
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Very interesting design. I'd think someone listing something on ebay for over 100 grand would at least have pics I can enlarge though! :)
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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
(Post 4597335)
Why doesnt it run? Cant the canard carry the bow? What does it weigh?
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From my understanding, she was overbuilt. Meant to be able to crash at 300 mph and not come apart. I was told 6" thick in some parts and DOUBLE the initial target weight.
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Originally Posted by offshorexcursion
(Post 4597371)
I understand where you are coming from TBorisch, and agree, alot of money and time spent, especially to go slower than what many mystics have easily achieved. I didn't interrupt your post as negative, just interesting boating conversation, which is what this site is supposed to be about!
Honestly I wish there was more info about this boat, the testing, design, etc. But unfortunately they kept everything private, and my guess is because they were embarrassed by the results and were waiting for success to go public, which I don't blame them. Hey it's cool that they tried, and if they succeeded that would have been awesome! I also know where you are coming from better than most after you took me for a 191mph ride in Low Altitude through rough water turning at 140!!!! There's really nothing like a mystic and until you experience it first hand it's hard to fathom! |
Cut the top off and rig it for outboards. Perfect boat for Jupiter.
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Outboards !
Originally Posted by pm203
(Post 4597735)
Cut the top off and rig it for outboards. Perfect boat for Jupiter.
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Interesting project if I had time. Be a fun safe boat with 4 1000's ,4 ASD-8.
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Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley
(Post 4597432)
From my understanding, she was overbuilt. Meant to be able to crash at 300 mph and not come apart. I was told 6" thick in some parts and DOUBLE the initial target weight.
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Claustrophobic should be the name of that boat. That interior is submarine tight. F that.
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One mans dream is another's nightmare.
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Did the owner of this boat get sick and pass away? If so I remember reading about it.
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Originally Posted by underpsi68
(Post 4597911)
Did the owner of this boat get sick and pass away? If so I remember reading about it.
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Al Copeland passed away before the boat was finished but to fulfill his vision, Al Copeland junior and his crew completed the project.
http://www.copelandsphenomenon.com/about.htm |
Very sad
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Who actually built the hull and was it documented anywhere?
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All these stupid questions, remarks and comments.
If you look at the boat and don't get it, then you are clueless to offshore history and "the" late/great Al Copeland, and what he "personally" did for the sport of offshore racing. Sad to say the least. |
Originally Posted by FASTTIMES
(Post 4598005)
Who actually built the hull and was it documented anywhere?
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Originally Posted by jusabum
(Post 4598045)
All these stupid questions, remarks and comments.
If you look at the boat and don't get it, then you are clueless to offshore history and "the" late/great Al Copeland, and what he "personally" did for the sport of offshore racing. Sad to say the least. The Sheik ran the fastest turbine boat out there but I don't think he won the best paint award that weekend! Moral of the story: one man's dream (no matter how great the man) isn't always the best idea! |
Originally Posted by jusabum
(Post 4598045)
All these stupid questions, remarks and comments.
If you look at the boat and don't get it, then you are clueless to offshore history and "the" late/great Al Copeland, and what he "personally" did for the sport of offshore racing. Sad to say the least. love the winter time threads :lolhit: |
So what kind of boat is it? Is it a one off "homemade" hull? If it was built for the sole purpose of running greater than 220 mph (a number blown away by the Sheikh when he ran 244) why does it have the ridiculous school bus cockpit?
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Originally Posted by thirdchildhood
(Post 4598067)
why does it have the ridiculous school bus cockpit?
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