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Tborisch 12-02-2017 02:24 PM

Phenomenon - Dirt cheap and still not worth it.
 
Wow, talk about the worst investment ever. I can't imagine the dollars they had into that beast.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/56ft-Powerboa...YAAOSwUchaICr3

class6 12-02-2017 03:22 PM

Check out the Great American Concept. Kind of a cool 28'

999JAY 12-02-2017 03:34 PM

Wonder how it would perform with just two T55s as apposed to four?

AB From Windsor 12-02-2017 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by Tborisch (Post 4597135)
Wow, talk about the worst investment ever. I can't imagine the dollars they had into that beast.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/56ft-Powerboa...YAAOSwUchaICr3


Phenomenon wasn't an investment, it was the dream of a millionaire and Legendary Offshore Powerboat Racer "Al Copeland". What a beautiful looking boat, there is nothing like it, it is a one of a kind and it is to bad that some Millionaire doesn't buy it and finishes Al's dream with maybe different power, it would make one heck of Poker Run/Pleasure boat.

SB 12-02-2017 05:32 PM

AB Totally agree.

Tborisch 12-02-2017 05:43 PM

I guess investment is the wrong term. It's just a total waste of money. For what they had into it, I would think they could have done WAY better. What a disaster.

Jupiter Sunsation 12-02-2017 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Tborisch (Post 4597175)
I guess investment is the wrong term. It's just a total waste of money. For what they had into it, I would think they could have done WAY better. What a disaster.

Boat was supposed to be the ultimate "one off" tribute powerboat. While I agree the boat was ok and a huge expense both in time and resources consider what Al Copeland spent on powerboats over his lifetime and this thing probably wasn't a drop in the bucket!

Give the hull away for free and you could still probably not sell it for what it would cost to re-rig it with piston power.

Skater30 12-02-2017 06:35 PM

From the little that I heard about the project, the problems they were having mostly were with the drive components/configuration. I think if they were to reconfigure the boat from four turbines/drives to twin late model T55s (4,800shp) and large BPM/Arneson drives, the boat might accomplish what they set out to do with it.

rak rua 12-02-2017 07:38 PM

https://www.offshoreonly.com/classif...ft-o71347.html

I think it's a horrendous waste of money but some would say the same about my boating history.
It's all relevant to how much $$ you can afford to waste/enjoy!

RR

Cash Bar 12-03-2017 05:22 PM

I wonder if you could fill the tunnel/deck and make it twins and have it run properly. Amazingly cool creation to have just rot away.

outonsafari 12-03-2017 05:47 PM

good deal if your looking for a custom built poker run boat, saving a million dollars would make it o.k. if it wasn't the fastest.

outonsafari 12-03-2017 05:50 PM

good deal if your looking for a custom built poker run boat, saving a million dollars would make it o.k. if it wasn't the fastest boat

cash bar yes it could be done all the buyer has to do is call glass dave and say your gonna need a bigger shop

Keith Atlanta 12-03-2017 06:40 PM

Why doesnt it run? Cant the canard carry the bow? What does it weigh?

flat rate 12-03-2017 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by Tborisch (Post 4597135)
Wow, talk about the worst investment ever. I can't imagine the dollars they had into that beast.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/56ft-Powerboa...YAAOSwUchaICr3

not judging but from the outside you seem to change your ideas of boating like some change pants. I’d guess percentage wise with there net worth it might be close. Just sucks they didn’t finish it. But I get it.

Tborisch 12-03-2017 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by flat rate (Post 4597350)
not judging but from the outside you seem to change your ideas of boating like some change pants. I’d guess percentage wise with there net worth it might be close. Just sucks they didn’t finish it. But I get it.

I don't follow your post? I think I am pretty steadfast in my opinions and idea on boating. Maybe you can explain what you mean?

offshorexcursion 12-03-2017 10:03 PM

I understand where you are coming from TBorisch, and agree, alot of money and time spent, especially to go slower than what many mystics have easily achieved. I didn't interrupt your post as negative, just interesting boating conversation, which is what this site is supposed to be about!

Honestly I wish there was more info about this boat, the testing, design, etc. But unfortunately they kept everything private, and my guess is because they were embarrassed by the results and were waiting for success to go public, which I don't blame them. Hey it's cool that they tried, and if they succeeded that would have been awesome!

I also know where you are coming from better than most after you took me for a 191mph ride in Low Altitude through rough water turning at 140!!!! There's really nothing like a mystic and until you experience it first hand it's hard to fathom!

Knot 4 Me 12-04-2017 07:06 AM

I think the real question here is if I buy it, will XR's hold up?

It is a shame to see the project abandoned. Hopefully somebody can do something with it and get it on the water where it belongs.

Jupiter Sunsation 12-04-2017 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 4597405)
I think the real question here is if I buy it, will XR's hold up?

It is a shame to see the project abandoned. Hopefully somebody can do something with it and get it on the water where it belongs.

I think tripple digits needs this hull.......his alpha drives and secret HP recipe will surely get Phenomenon the big number it was shooting for!

Boat sadly will probably end up in SW FL at that guy's shop that parts out boats then tries to sell the hull/trailer for too much! I think it is too big (to trailer), too big to run fast (needs 4 turbines!) and the rigging/new power alone will cost more than a brand new Mystic/Skater complete!

Keith Atlanta 12-04-2017 08:40 AM

What will it run with 1350's?

luke81 12-04-2017 08:55 AM

Very interesting design. I'd think someone listing something on ebay for over 100 grand would at least have pics I can enlarge though! :)

thisistank 12-04-2017 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta (Post 4597335)
Why doesnt it run? Cant the canard carry the bow? What does it weigh?

That's my question. Did shortening the tunnel screw up the air entrapment / ability to lift? I'd be a little sketched out running that thing in any type of rough water with that huge "hole" in the deck.

Ryan Beckley 12-04-2017 09:21 AM

From my understanding, she was overbuilt. Meant to be able to crash at 300 mph and not come apart. I was told 6" thick in some parts and DOUBLE the initial target weight.

WARPARTY36 12-04-2017 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 4597371)
I understand where you are coming from TBorisch, and agree, alot of money and time spent, especially to go slower than what many mystics have easily achieved. I didn't interrupt your post as negative, just interesting boating conversation, which is what this site is supposed to be about!

Honestly I wish there was more info about this boat, the testing, design, etc. But unfortunately they kept everything private, and my guess is because they were embarrassed by the results and were waiting for success to go public, which I don't blame them. Hey it's cool that they tried, and if they succeeded that would have been awesome!

I also know where you are coming from better than most after you took me for a 191mph ride in Low Altitude through rough water turning at 140!!!! There's really nothing like a mystic and until you experience it first hand it's hard to fathom!

Call Scott at the number in the ad. I'm sure he'll tell you anything you want to know. He's a straight shooter.

pm203 12-05-2017 03:22 PM

Cut the top off and rig it for outboards. Perfect boat for Jupiter.

sprsptr 12-05-2017 04:04 PM

Outboards !
 

Originally Posted by pm203 (Post 4597735)
Cut the top off and rig it for outboards. Perfect boat for Jupiter.

A couple of Tohatsu 90's hidden inside and a big stereo making turbine sounds. Just take it out trolling in the "no wake " zones. LOL!

DWES 12-05-2017 08:27 PM

Interesting project if I had time. Be a fun safe boat with 4 1000's ,4 ASD-8.

phragle 12-06-2017 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley (Post 4597432)
From my understanding, she was overbuilt. Meant to be able to crash at 300 mph and not come apart. I was told 6" thick in some parts and DOUBLE the initial target weight.

With the school bus canopy???

tbirdusa 12-06-2017 10:13 AM

Claustrophobic should be the name of that boat. That interior is submarine tight. F that.

f_inscreenname 12-06-2017 12:11 PM

One mans dream is another's nightmare.

underpsi68 12-06-2017 02:00 PM

Did the owner of this boat get sick and pass away? If so I remember reading about it.

Zach F100 12-06-2017 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4597911)
Did the owner of this boat get sick and pass away? If so I remember reading about it.

Yes. Al Copeland

rak rua 12-06-2017 08:13 PM

Al Copeland passed away before the boat was finished but to fulfill his vision, Al Copeland junior and his crew completed the project.

http://www.copelandsphenomenon.com/about.htm

underpsi68 12-06-2017 08:27 PM

Very sad

FASTTIMES 12-06-2017 08:42 PM

Who actually built the hull and was it documented anywhere?

jusabum 12-07-2017 07:36 AM

All these stupid questions, remarks and comments.
If you look at the boat and don't get it, then you are clueless to offshore history and "the" late/great Al Copeland, and what he "personally" did for the sport of offshore racing.
Sad to say the least.

thirdchildhood 12-07-2017 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by FASTTIMES (Post 4598005)
Who actually built the hull and was it documented anywhere?

Yeah, that^^. Not a stupid question at all and I was wondering the same thing.

Jupiter Sunsation 12-07-2017 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by jusabum (Post 4598045)
All these stupid questions, remarks and comments.
If you look at the boat and don't get it, then you are clueless to offshore history and "the" late/great Al Copeland, and what he "personally" did for the sport of offshore racing.
Sad to say the least.

hey Elvis might have been the King but by the same token not all of his ideas were home runs either!

The Sheik ran the fastest turbine boat out there but I don't think he won the best paint award that weekend!

Moral of the story: one man's dream (no matter how great the man) isn't always the best idea!

LAriverratt 12-07-2017 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by jusabum (Post 4598045)
All these stupid questions, remarks and comments.
If you look at the boat and don't get it, then you are clueless to offshore history and "the" late/great Al Copeland, and what he "personally" did for the sport of offshore racing.
Sad to say the least.

not everyone here knows all about offshore history......Al Copland grew up here in Louisiana and all I knew when I was young was he was the rich Bastard who stated with nothing, busted his AZZ and made it in the fried chicken biz...damn good chicken too LOL. some of these younger guys along with the older newbies DON"T know...don't brow beat em for that LOL.

love the winter time threads :lolhit:

thirdchildhood 12-07-2017 09:58 AM

So what kind of boat is it? Is it a one off "homemade" hull? If it was built for the sole purpose of running greater than 220 mph (a number blown away by the Sheikh when he ran 244) why does it have the ridiculous school bus cockpit?

cagedlx 12-07-2017 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 4598067)
why does it have the ridiculous school bus cockpit?

For all Al's *****es


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