Sniper caught? Breaking news..
 

Here in Richmond...White VAN at gas station on Broad. **** load of police puled up, dragged man out and arrested him.

All hell is breaking loose..check out the news...developing...

Looks that way.....SWAT surrounded a phone booth next to a white van, and arrested an individual.

let's hope it is the sniper.

get a rope.............................................. .......

Detained in handcuffs is different than being arrested.

If the news reporter said arrested its probably because they dont know the difference. We all know you need probable cause to arrest someone, a suspicious person isn't enough probable cause .

Just some FYI so people arnt running around saying that officers are arresting everyone with a white van, ya know how some people love to start stuff.

Lets hope this is the guy. Like Puder said, get the rope.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark in So. MD
[B]Detained in handcuffs is different than being arrested.

Good call Mark.

There is a BIG difference between being detained with the use of handcuffs for *officer safety* and being "under arrest".

Lets just hope that this is the guy and not just some freek show copy cat jerk off or some serious mistake. The worse thing to do would be to get everyone all relaxed and find out that there was more then one of them!!!!

Jon

..just read on CNN Headlines...the 2 men detained in the white van are not involved with the sniper attacks...:mad:

Breaking News!!!!


The police captured the wrong people!!!

"Sniper Please Call Again"

Talk about having a bad day in a foreign country...

"They described the men as undocumented workers -- a Mexican and a Guatemalan -- who "may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time," according to CNN Justice Correspondent Kelli Arena."

SG...nice avatar... are they real???:D :D

It is no different. The moment of arrest occurs when when a person is no longer free to leave. You do not need to be handcuffed to placed under arrest. Also, just because you get arrested does not mean that you have to be charged with a crime. Being handcuffed for officer safety is still technically an arrest.

That's really splitting some fine hairs Griff. You can dispute that all day in court if admissible evidence was at stake. For all intense purpose, in N.Y., you are not under arrest until the officer udders the words "you are under arrest".

Sh%t! Looks like that scumhole is still out there!

great 2 illegal persons that didn't belong here anyway. Goes to show you what is in this country.

Hey Speedgirl, can I answer this question????:rolleyes:


Doesn't sound like the guys they captured today are the sniper. Bummer.:mad:

I wasn't gonna weigh in, but thanks for doing it for me. It is rare to find ANYONE that knows what an arrest is anymore.:cool:

Its my job to know when the arrest occurs. :) If I didn't know, I'd be violating a lot of dirtbag's civil rights:D

Griff, if the subject is not told he/she is under arrest, he/she is not under arrest.

I can look up what article states what is an arrest and post it tomorrow if you would like a long read.

Please don't :D

you think you can!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: ;) :eek: :eek: :eek:

This stuff is getting too close for comfort. That gas station is only a couple miles from my house and Ashland is not too far either.
I've seen people running serpentine paths to their cars.

Last labor day I spent 20 hours in a jail cell, 6x8 with 2 other smelly adults, 1 named Bubba (wondering where my boat was)was cuffed, finger printed, mug shots taken, went to court 4 times, hired a lawyer, spent $1,200 bucks missed 5 days of work. For a boating DUI that I gave blood and the results were 0.03 (0.10) is legaly drunk and all charges were pressed by state fish and game commision officers here in Phila.pa. The charges were Finaly dropped by a judge. NOT, The cops who arrested me. THey refused to drop the charges> BUT I was never arrested, I was told this when I tried to sue for harrassment. :D


AHHHHHH but life is good!:D

CAP,
damm crooked cops:D :D :D

but really they seem like they are asses there and need to become more professional and get their chit straight

:D :D SO I WENT OUT AND BOUGHT A FASTER BOAT! :p :p

For the inquiring minds that would like to know when an arrest occurs. Click on the attached link.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/a100.htm

Or you could just take our word for it since we both agree and he is a cop and I am a criminal defense attorney. (I promise we wouldn't agree unless we were absolutely certain!:D )

The inquiring minds can narrow it down to reading CA v Hodari D. and Florida v Bostic.

BTW Griff -- Don't try citing any source in court that contains words written in purple.:cool:

I was wonderin when you were going to chime in on this thread. Just figured I stir the pot a little:D

I stand corrected on my previously quoted statement and agree with you completely. Investigatory stops, Terry stops and Traffic stops do not apply and are not arrests, even though the person is not free to leave. They are "stops" or as you said "seizures" of an investigatory nature for a reasonable amount of time.

The only thing that bothers me about Troutly's post is it's dependence on the definition of "reasonable". Given the recent post "Death of Common Sense", it's probably only a matter of time before someone drives a bus through that potential loophole. Troutly - how may of the prople you have "seized" would you classify as "reasonable"? ;)

Didnt he strike again this morning??

yes. Hyper kid.....

He killed a bus Driver...

:mad: :(

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troutly
[B]

[COLOR=blue]Actually, this is not true.

Many times a person can be detained and is not free to leave, yet and arrest has not technically occurred. Even the link you provided proves this point.


Thanks for the backup Troutly. :cool:

Like I said, This can be argued all day in court. But.......just because you are "in custody" does not mean you are "under arrest".

My bio might state Computer Tech, but it if I told you my previous career, I would have to kill you. ;) :D :D

Anyone see the latest? They've "detained" two "persons of interest" who were sleeping in their car in a Maryland rest stop. They may not be the guys, but it looks like it might be real progress. Once they find the right people, they should tie them to a stake and let the victim's families blast away...

Just heard on the radio that they're sure the two guys arrested this morning are the shooters. They're waiting for a search warrent to open the cars trunk and seach for weapons. Cops won't make final announcement till they're positive it's them.

I hope so.
I can hear the sigh of relief all the way down here.:)

And it looks like Muslim Extremeists! BOMBS AWAY!

Shane you got that right. However unfortunatly how many more of these wacko extreamists so we still have in this country? THOUSANDS. If they all take note of the havick these one or two guys have made then they get all excited!!! It is real scarry if you think about it. I mean how many extreamist do we have in Government??? Just about every Democrat as I see it :D:D

Tie 'em up to a stake and sell tickets to take shots. Victims family members shoot free, of course.

Use a bb gun, everyone gets one shot, rounds continue until it's over...It might take days. Proceeds go to benefit a worthy charity or dispursed to the victims' family members!

BASTARDS! :mad: :mad:

But remember Jon, we cannot OFFEND them. It is not their fault they are here killing people. Allah has sent them. We need to embrace them, and love them as one of us. :mad: :rolleyes:

Baja Daze-

How funny! On my drive in this a.m., I felt real disturbed. :mad:
I was thinking about what should be done with this sicko whack job that has devastated the lives of these innocent families. After I came up with the perfect punishment, I thought chit........am I a sicko myself?? :confused: .......Then I came in and read your post. Almost word for word what I came up with! Thanks! At least I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. :D :D

Yes Shane, let's be carefull not to offend anyone. We wouldn't want to hurt THEIR feelings. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad:

This/these guy/guys is/are not a "Islamic Extremeist(s)"... the only thing this guy was trying to do was line his pockets. Doing things for a cause that you believe in, well that's one thing... doing things because you're whacked out of your skull, well that's another thing, too. But killing innocent people for the sole purpose of greed (and making it look like some serial killer on top of it) is waaaayyyy beyond low.

Being stuck in the middle of all this (it felt soooo good to be able to walk out of the house this morning and not be worried about being shot) it's hard to even come up with a way to feel about it all.

Let's just hope that this is the end of it.