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Mirage to Bravo prop upgrade pitch
Currently I can turn Mirage+ 23 & 25P to near RPM limit on 496HO-MAG. Both props run 5200 according to tach so I think I'm at the limiter. That said need some feedback if I go to Bravo 24 or 26p Do the bravo's turn more or less when compared to the Mirages+? Also going to lab....
270 Convincor thanks |
If both the 23 and 25 are turning 5200, what speeds are you seeing, respectively? Asking because if there’s no difference, something is askew. I went from bottom of my power band with a 23p M+ and 23 Tempest to a 22p Bravo (pro finish). I picked up too many RPM with the 1” drop, putting me close to the limiter when lightly loaded. The extra blade definitely seems to get more of the boat out of the water. Planning on a 24p for spring/fall and keeping the 22p for July/August/family days. Also, after reading a thread here recently, seems like having one as a spare is a good idea (cracked blades). I’m happy with the Pro finish, don’t think I want to tempt fate with thinner blades. Personally, I’d go 24p and see where it gets you. I think it’s better to go with a smaller pitch running close to the limiter than being overpropped and lugging it. Some of the Bravos come in odd pitches now, but I was told they are the smaller even diameter casting with more tip cup. Don’t know how that would work on a big hull that wants stern lift. |
I have a nice Bravo 1 24" I will let go for $ 350 + shipping. I needed the bow lift of the Rev 4. (Houston, Tx area-for now).
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Originally Posted by Speedracer29
(Post 4669081)
If both the 23 and 25 are turning 5200, what speeds are you seeing, respectively? Asking because if there’s no difference, something is askew. I went from bottom of my power band with a 23p M+ and 23 Tempest to a 22p Bravo (pro finish). I picked up too many RPM with the 1” drop, putting me close to the limiter when lightly loaded. The extra blade definitely seems to get more of the boat out of the water. Planning on a 24p for spring/fall and keeping the 22p for July/August/family days. Also, after reading a thread here recently, seems like having one as a spare is a good idea (cracked blades). I’m happy with the Pro finish, don’t think I want to tempt fate with thinner blades. Personally, I’d go 24p and see where it gets you. I think it’s better to go with a smaller pitch running close to the limiter than being overpropped and lugging it. Some of the Bravos come in odd pitches now, but I was told they are the smaller even diameter casting with more tip cup. Don’t know how that would work on a big hull that wants stern lift. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2d55b82cdd.jpg |
A few boats ago, 24 Superboat, 454 MAG MPI, went from a 25P Mirage+ to a 26P bravo. RPMs and speed stayed around the same but the handling was MUCH better with the bravo. With the Mirage+ I chine walked all over and couldn't stay hooked up in rough water. I later repowered with a 496HO and had to go to a 28P bravo.
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Can you feel the rev limiter with either prop? Feels like a miss, should come in at 5150. |
Originally Posted by Dave M
(Post 4669086)
A few boats ago, 24 Superboat, 454 MAG MPI, went from a 25P Mirage+ to a 26P bravo. RPMs and speed stayed around the same but the handling was MUCH better with the bravo.
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Originally Posted by Speedracer29
(Post 4669089)
That’s why I initially suggested a 24 Bravo..... but looking at his pics, if that 25 Mirage is stock, a 24 will be too short. If that tach is accurate, a 26 may be too short if he’s trying to get RPM down a bit (4600-5000 recommended). I don't think you want to choke the motor down to 4,600 rpm that is a lot of stress/lugging. My theory is you want to be able to turn it to max rpm where a bigger prop will start to bog it down. i.e. a 24 turning at 5200 wot and a 26 turning at 5000 wot I would go with the 24. This of course requires a lot of playing with props to get it right. The Bravo (which is over rated by about .7" pitch) should pull about the same as the next larger 3 blade, Mirage +, It should handle and pull from idle to past mid range much better with a LOT less slip. Just my experiences and .02. |
Originally Posted by GLENAMY 242SS
(Post 4669083)
I have a nice Bravo 1 24" I will let go for $ 350 + shipping. I needed the bow lift of the Rev 4. (Houston, Tx area-for now).
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PA if you want I can start another thread as not to hijack yours, just let me know.
Regarding the dia. diff you need to check the specs on BBlades or Merc site. The Rev4 comes in Odd pitch #'s and the Bravo in Even. The Rev4's are accurate to blade pitch as the Bravos are advertised bigger than reality. The Rev4 also has more rake than the Bravo and no defuser ring so a head to head on spinning I can't provide. I am still working on my final config but I did gain about 4 mpg (gps) with the Rev4 23" over the Bravo 22" both wot about 5200 rpm. I have a Rev4 25" and a Bravo 24" I have not yet tested but the Bravo and Mirage create too much bow porpoise. The Rev4 has none and much better slip #'s. I want to sell the Bravo 1 24" as I purchased it before I tried a Rev4. My boat really likes the Rev4 so I am sticking with that model hoping I can pull the 25" hence the sale of Bravo1 24". If you have specific questions please PM me your phone# and we can talk. Sorry about the long post and I hope this was helpful. Good Luck, Gary |
Originally Posted by liberator221
(Post 4669120)
GLENAMY, don’t mean to hijack thread here, but do you know or have experience with Bravo vs Rev4? Isn’t the Rev4 slightly bigger diameter? Do they spin about the same other than bow lift vs stern lift? Thanks |
Originally Posted by Speedracer29
(Post 4669088)
Can you feel the rev limiter with either prop? Feels like a miss, should come in at 5150. |
Forgot to ask, what are the Bravo 24 & 26p part numbers?
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Originally Posted by PA.WOODCHUCK
(Post 4669073)
Currently I can turn Mirage+ 23 & 25P to near RPM limit on 496HO-MAG. Both props run 5200 according to tach so I think I'm at the limiter. That said need some feedback if I go to Bravo 24 or 26p Do the bravo's turn more or less when compared to the Mirages+? Also going to lab....
270 Convincor thanks 23p and 25p should drop you down by at least 400 rpms stock props going with the 25p. If your pushing both props to the rev limiter, you should feel the 23p hitting quick and hard!! The rev limiter does not just stop rpms, the mag ho has a soft limiter at 5150 and a hard limit at 5250, either way your going to feel and hear it popping when it starts cutting fuel and spark. Another way of saying this is if your hitting 68 mph wiht the 25p, then technically if you could spin the 23p at a higher rpm to reach around 68mph as well if you didnt have the limiter and HP was constant above that. So, I would either get another prop for a baseline to see whats going on before spending money on labbing or more props or put the 23p back on and see if it was hitting it limiter as it should and you just didnt realize what was going on. Oh, make sure you not overtrimming the 23p with no speed just to get extra rpms. |
First thing I would do is check your tach for accuracy at higher rpms.
A 26 Bravo 1 will spin about 200rpms less than a 25 Mirage Plus. |
Both REV4 props are 14.75 diameter. Going to put this thread to rest until spring arrives and get some runtime and data. If I still have the Stingray then can test the REV4 props.
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I was backwards on prop diameters. The bravo is 15 1/4 and the Rev4 is listed as 14.75. Am I correct that a 25 Rev4 will act like a higher pitch than a 25 MIrage+ due to 4 blade vs 3 blade, or is it just different handling characteristics?
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Finally got some real test results over the last few weeks. I upgraded the tach... that said the mirage+ 25p runs 65(gps) but takes time to get there. tried the Hydromotive Q4-x-24p at 66(gps) and both showed 4700rpm. So my guess would need the hydromotive in 23P to add about 200rpm more. Had 3 onboard along with about 40gal fuel or more. I do like the feel of Hydromotive overall but need to figure out the sweet spot to reduce the porpoise under 50mph. I have seen some props have the "flare" removed... what's the +/-'s of the flare. What would be the general handling differenced between the Hydromotive and Bravo-1? Seems like a love hate 50/50% on which one works better?
thanks UPDATE: hydromotive not offered in 23P. |
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