Is america going to pot
 

Just wondered what other's think?

thats the least of our worries :D :rolleyes:

pots illegal
alcohol's legal
smokings legal

what two of three do you think does more harm to the health of people or has caused so many traffic fatalities?

No

I have never smoked pot, and I will never smoke pot.

However, I believe that it is no worse than alcohol, and should be legalized. I would rather have American farmers grow it and make money than have drug lords make the money.

Plus, put a big federal tax on it (just like cigarattes and alcohol) and wipe out the federal deficit! :p

Pot would bring a new dynamic to the whole party. It probably should be legal, but then there would be that little cancer problem since it is the same as tobacco in that respect. I must admit though society would be a lot more mellow-and way freekin stupid.

Isn't there a chemical in pot that stay's in the brain long after smoking that slows down the synaptic process. I was thinking it was months. That's how you could point out pot heads, they were always a little off. Burnout, that's the term I was looking for.

Alcohol can do bad things if used in excess. But it seems the usage of pot required to be a burnout is less than the usage of alcohol to cause, liver problems etc.

Well lets just say that it should be legal. Period.:D

I am not for legalization. I am not a user (willing to take a drug test 24/7)
With that being said:
Would you rather have your 16 year old driving drunk or stoned?
Less than 3 times legal limit of alcohol you're dead. Pot, you can't smoke enough to kill you. Estimate 1000 x
Only drug you build a reverse tolerance too. The more you smoke the less it takes to get you stoned. Ever see a stoney get buzzed just getting ready to light up? It happens stored THC gets activated just thinking about it. Pavlovian
Just finding out birth defect links.
No reason for a second way to ruin families like alcohol does.

skat

how can you justify one being legal and the other one not?

BTW i do not smoke pot and only rarely have a few drinks.

problems start when govt. makes laws that it cannot enforce. look at the crime that is caused by drugs, the more they fight it, the more expensive it becomes, the more it will lure somebody into growing or selling it, because profits are there. it's a visious circle.

european countries have legalized certain drugs and i dont see a problem there

Hmmm, I'll make the popcorn for this one, I have the munchies ;)

If the Us was to legalize pot, would it remove the crime factor? If it is legal, would people be killing each other over it? Probably not, Or would it be like beer, just go into the store and make your purchase and let Uncle Sam make his tax money...They say the war on drugs isn't working, so should we go with the "if you can't beat em, join em attitude?"

Skat, just what I want.....stored THC in my system....or the system of the guy behind me in driving the 18 wheeler. No, pot should not be legalized, no matter what efffect other drugs or alcohol have on the system. Can you make an arguement for it, yes you can. Is it convincing, yes somewhat. Does that mean it should be freakin legal...POT!?!?!?! No way guys, no way. Perhaps for medicinal purposes, not for recreational.

As was in another thread: Common Sense
Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not for govt. involvement in my life. Don't believe I should be told to wear a seat belt for my own good. Did you read my post? I don't think pot is worse than alcohol. I would rather have my child driving stoned (given the option of the two). I hope that their own Common Sense stops them from doing either. But why would we change the laws already in effect to make the problem worse? I don't think it would make it better. I have no desire to move to Europe and don't feel the need to emulate any of their cultural actions.

Obituary of Mr. Common Sense

Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common Sense.
Common Sense lived a long life but died recently in the United States. No
one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost
in bureaucratic red tape.

He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes,
factories helping folks get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness. For
decades, petty rules, silly laws, and frivolous lawsuits held no power over
Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to
know when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, and
that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more
than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not
the kids), and it's okay to come in second. A veteran of the Industrial
Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological Revolution, Common
Sense survived cultural and educational trends including body piercing,
whole language, and "new math." But his health declined when he became
infected with the "If-it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus.

In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of
well intentioned but overbearing regulations. He watched in pain as good
people became ruled by self-seeking lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated
when schools endlessly implemented zero tolerance policies.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a
classmate, a teen suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and
a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his
condition. It declined even further when schools had to get parental consent
to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the parent when a
female student was pregnant or wanted an abortion.

Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became
contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment
than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses in everything from the
Boy Scouts to professional sports.

Finally, when people, too stupid to realize that a steaming cup of coffee
was hot, were awarded a huge settlement, Common Sense threw in the towel.

As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept
informed of developments regarding questionable regulations such as those
for low flow toilets, rocking chairs, and stepladders.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his
wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is
survived by two stepbrothers: My Rights, and Ima Whiner. Not many attended
his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

I think that ah.......umm......what were we talking about?? Oh yeah, something about THC staying in the brain....was that right......??????:)

Actually, I don't smoke pot, cuts into my drinking time!;)

I get tarded and start seeing Egyptian Temples, and hearing farm animals.:(

Skat, I like that reading, I remember it from earlier this year.....I think it was this year, anyway, I remember reading it here on OSO.

I think you took my post wrong, or, I wrote it wrong. I should made a second paragraph. You and I agree totally, however, I was stating that THC, the main intoxifying chemical in pot, is a bad thing to have in your system, no matter how bad other things are for you. At that point I should have started a new paragraph because it appears I am still speaking to you, yet I am actually adddressing all the people ( refed to them as "guys") who are for legalization.

Sorry about the mix up, hope this clears it up. I too am for little to no government intervention in our lives. That's why I disagree with liberalism. Thanks, later, Allan

I agree Too Old but 1),2),3), get you to 4) Possession of x amount with intent to distribute. Where do you draw the line?
Cocaine a recreational drug, eXtacy...
We can have a heated face to face discussion (legally) but when you reach out and pop me, you've broken the law. It is all a matter of degree.

Allan4,
I was replying to Saber28 asking why alcohol and not pot, yea for Europe post. Not yours. I see the goods and evils of both sides just like you. I too just believe the evil out weighs the goods and therefore come down on that side.

That guy in the 18 wheeler riding your bumper is probably on stronger drugs just trying to stay awake. Wouldn't be surprised if he washed the pills down with a couple of beers and a shot.

I know a portion of the active ingredient stays with you for a while. A piss test will show pot for three to six weeks after smoking. The new test is to take a hair sample and check that. Depending on the length of your hair it can show drug use for the past six months.

I first had pot when I was fourteen. Smoked regularly up till about six years ago (I'm now 47). I only stopped because it got too expensive and Florida's "no tolerance" law is real stiff. I stand to loose everything I own over a couple of fingers of weed. It's just not worth it.

Legalize it?
Damn straight!
The majority of the world has decriminalized it, why shouldn't we?
Have it controlled just like alcohol and tobacco.

I'm with Clay legalize it, tax it ,Grow it!!!!I've always said I'd rather ride with a guy thats smoking than one thats Been drinking......you cant get to hurt at 25 mph.......

I think we should let this guy decide .....

Breaking News!!!
 

Breaking News!!!

Legalizing Cannibus/contemplating, whether or not to legalizing it....is all a HUGE waste of everyone's money.......

Plain & Simple....legalize it and concentrate on substance's that truely cause problems......ie; CRACK!!!!!!

The police in our town/city, won't do anything about the crack house's....I asked one of the officer's (whom I know on a friendly basis), why they aren't cracking down on the crack heads.....the officer said, "It's job security for me!!!"
They know who the crack-heads are and what they are doing.....but, I think they are too afraid or something......beside's that, from what I understand, 1/2 of the force are coccaine lover's themselve's and I think it's, that they don't want to loose their drug connections.

Anyways, "POT"........I've never heard of ANY crime's that had taken place where "POT" was involved!!!

Holy Chit "NOW THAT"S A DOOBIE!"....guys it's simple. They will never legalize it because they couldn't control the production of it to tax it. Every AA personality capitalist would have a hydroponic set-up cranking out the best herb they could and selling it cheaper than the next. So what's the GOV gonna do... grow stronger chit to compete? (Besides, look at all those criminal justice types that would be out of a job). Why the hell ya think they repealed probition? They couldn't stop it but they knew (and rightfully so...I'd rather get tanked on Crown Royal than old green teeth down the streets "shine"...hence they could control the manufacturing process, reulate it and viola...TAX BASE which = OK!

Personally haven't smoked the chit in twenty years but to spend BILLIONS and incarcerate thousands in an effort of futility smacks straight up of more government stupidity and waste. Face it kids it's a multi-billion dollar a year BUSINESS and NO ONE on EITHER side wants it legal. (Besides that, if your all honked about THC etc, etc look at what they put in the food you eat). The biggest crime is that a 18 year old kid busted for smoke is pretty much screwed in the grown up world of employment. Drug arrest on the ole' resume...don't think so, sorry kid try the carwash. Thankfully I grew up in a more enlightened time.

SO....back on them BOATS!

Legalize it, i dont care....its not gonna change much in this world about it. Most companys will still have their no drug policy so whats making this legal gonna do other then let the burger flippers have some fun? I mean alcohol is "legal" yet you cant come to work drunk or drink on the job...If your gonna be stoned your gonna loose your job.....i see it realy screwing up alot of people more then they are now. The ones who never have tried it will do so now out of curiosity, and the ones who have used it will do more. Unemployment may go up a tad due to everyone being couch potato's but the junk food companys will be banking! ;)
I have never tried it nor will i ever try it, legal or not. But the last thing i need is ti be getting a contact high in the bars on top of it all! :mad: its bad enough i smell like a chimney after a night out.

Legalize it!
 

Let's face it: You either smoke or you don't(won't)
That being said, simply legalizing it, won't make hordes of people pick up the habbit. Those who already do it, will continue and those who don't shouldn't care.

Health effects: No worse than alcohol...Different, but no better or worse.

Make and uphold similar driving laws as Drinking and driving.

Use it to generate revenue, meanwhile taking it away from shady dealers.

The criminal system is already too overburdoned as it is: Dope smokers don't need to be taking up jail space or wasting prosecution dollars!


It could very well be America's biggest Cash Crop...

WALLY'S right on the money

Remember when they used to say "pot leads to stronger drugs" or "pot leads to heroin addiction"?
Somehow I couldn't see making the jump from pot to heroin but it could happen, so could a lot of things. It's always up to the individual to move up the drug ladder. I have been offered all kinds of junk but never had anything stronger than weed. Never wanted to.
I have this reputation of never saying no, only when I've had enough. :D

That pic of the giant boobie reminds me of the joke about a guy that took a kilo brick, rolled it up in the Sunday Times. Looked like a roll of tarpaper with an ash. :D

Ever see the movie "Romancing The Stone"?
The fire in the downed drug plane? Where Michael Douglas says, as he tosses another kilo on the fire, "now that's what I call a campfire!" then proceeds to stick his face in the smoke.:D :D

or the porn version "Romancing the Bone" where she puts her head.........

:D :D :D

Damn, I missed that one.
I've seen Cinderella with her snapping pu**y and Pinocchio, it's not his nose that grows.:D :D

could someone pass the chips and cookies please:p

Who ya gonna sue when you are wasting away from lung disease? It won't be the tobacco industry. Who ya gonna sue when your wife is killed by a stoned motorist? It won't be the bar and bartender. Who ya gonna sue to fund anti- pot smoking adds? Who ya gonna sue when ya have a handicapped grandbaby?

Oh yea that doesn't happen because we are all personally responsible for our actions and after all "It's now Legal"

I smoked pot one night for a month:confused:

gas from hemp!!!!
 

HEMP FACTS
1) Hemp is among the oldest industries on the planet, going back more than 10,000 years to the beginnings of pottery. The Columbia History of the World states that the oldest relic of human industry is a bit of hemp fabric dating back to approximately 8,000 BC.

2) Presidents Washington and Jefferson both grew hemp. Americans were legally bound to grow hemp during the Colonial Era and Early Republic. The federal government subsidized hemp during the Second World War and US farmers grew about a million acres of hemp as part of that program.

3) Hemp Seed is far more nutritious than even soybean, contains more essential fatty acids than any other source, is second only to soybeans in complete protein (but is more digestible by humans), is high in B-vitamins, and is 35% dietary fiber. Hemp Seed does not contain THC.

4) The bark of the hemp stalk contains bast fibers which are among the Earth's longest natural soft fibers and are also rich in cellulose; the cellulose and hemi-cellulose in its inner woody core are called hurds. Hemp stalk contains no THC. Hemp fiber is longer, stronger, more absorbent and more insulative than cotton fiber.

5) According to the Department of Energy and Dr. Brooks Kelly, Hemp as a biomass fuel producer requires the least specialized growing and processing procedures of all hemp products. The hydrocarbons in hemp can be processed into a wide range of biomass energy sources, from fuel pellets to liquid fuels and gas. Development of biofuels could significantly reduce our consumption of fossil fuels and nuclear power.

6) Hemp grows well without herbicides, fungicides, or pesticides. Almost half of the agricultural chemicals used on US crops are applied to cotton.

7) Hemp produces more pulp per acre than timber on a sustainable basis, and can be used for every quality of paper. Hemp paper manufacturing can reduce wastewater contamination. Hemp's low lignin content reduces the need for acids used in pulping, and it's creamy color lends itself to environmentally friendly bleaching instead of harsh chlorine compounds. Less bleaching results in less dioxin and fewer chemical byproducts.

8) Hemp fiber paper resists decomposition, and does not yellow with age when an acid-free process is used. Hemp paper more than 1,500 years old has been found. It can also be recycled more times.

9) Hemp fiberboard produced by Washington State University was found to be twice as strong as wood-based fiberboard.

10) Eco-friendly hemp can replace most toxic petrochemical products. Research is being done to use hemp in manufacturing biodegradable plastic products: plant-based cellophane, recycled plastic mixed with hemp for injection-molded products, and resins made from the oil, to name just a very few examples.



what too old said!!

Cool hemp facts, but marijuana and the hemp you're talking about are not the same they're just members in the same family.

Better reread the Apache thread.:) :cool: :eek:

HEY! looks like Woody Harrelson is using lotoparty's id..........

The fact that any idiot can grow himself is a decent point, but we would always pay for convienence......i can bake chocolate chip cookies myself, but when i have the craving, i get a box of entemanns (sp?)........

Most people get mellow on pot, which is a strength. Ask any cop ( my dad just retired after 34 years) would you rather bust up a party full of drunks, or a party full of stoners........Answer will be the same every time..........

tuna is cool.

It sure is. In more ways than one