2006 25 outlaw 496 HO
Who is a guru on 25 outlaw 496 HO?? This is my second 25 outlaw the first one had the 502 with lightning headers. I seen 68 with it. I can’t hit 60 with this 496 ho. X drive. 23 mirage plus. Won’t turn 5000 rpms. It’s like 45-47. Any suggestions or is this boat that much slower. Only has 300 hrs. |
Are you sure the engine is not in Guardian mode?
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I’m going to put it on the computer Wednesday. I was thinking if it was on guardian mode the rpms would be lower. Like 3-3500. Boat runs great no missing just seems like something is holding it back.
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I had a 2003 25 baja with a 496HO in it and it would go 67 with the same prop you are running and turn right at 5k rpms. sounds like if you aren't getting above 4500 rpms then the computer might be limiting that, you will be able to see why with the computer more than likely
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My buddy had one. It was 67-68 mph boat with the 496 HO. Should spin 5000. I think the rev limiter is 5150 or somewhere in that ballpark. Something is up.
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I think the same thing. Guardian mode. I’m going to put it on computer Wednesday, and check everything. Change spark plugs, and go from there. Thanks for all the input. |
How was your hole shot?
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Originally Posted by joketchum
(Post 4691321)
I had a 2003 25 baja with a 496HO in it and it would go 67 with the same prop you are running and turn right at 5k rpms. sounds like if you aren't getting above 4500 rpms then the computer might be limiting that, you will be able to see why with the computer more than likely
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Originally Posted by Mikeb6871
(Post 4691328)
how was your hole shot? |
Originally Posted by Sydwayz
(Post 4691331)
Never use “hole shot” and a Bravo/performance boat in the same thought. It’s not a jet boat/ski. That’s how you find yourself paddling in with a broken drive. |
Originally Posted by Mikeb6871
(Post 4691336)
I’m meaning that my 2000 502 came out of the hole and got on plane way faster, and wanting to know how others with 496 hos do. I used to run drag boats so I know the meaning of hole shot. |
my boat is not a Baja but I am on my third 496 boat and I experienced the exact same thing last spring with my current 32 Sunsation....took for ever to get on plane port motor would barely break 4000 RPM. Changed plugs that evening on both motors and fixed the problem boat runs as it should now and have not had any more issues. I experienced a similar problem on my 288 several years ago except you could hear the single engine make a popping noise out of the exhaust. Check it with a scanner just to be safe but plugs are a safe bet.
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gen 3 COOL FUEL and the paint and the injectors --- 1000 percent one of the issues on top of other issues with these 496s.
The 496s all have common issues thru out the years. 2006 OEM had gen 3 cool fuel but again engine serial number will show exactly the parts installed. engine serial numbers are a must if in fact GEN 3 cool fuel is on this app - I would bet there is some of the issues with the rails the fuel pumps - the regulator the injectors - I bet on it and for the ones I have taken care of on this board they surely know as well in the 100s of videos I have provided them. |
Any alarms? Check for a partial guardian mode. 80-90% allowed power would probably only let it get to the mid 4,000RPM's
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As stated above, could be as simple as plugs. I had two reduced RPM issues with my 496. Once was the number 2 plug wire fell off the plug. Second was at 300 hours one of the plugs shot craps. Both times RPMs at WOT were down about 300 - 400 RPM. Regardless if it turns out to not be plugs I'd replace them anyway as they are due. I'd do the wires as well given the age. BUP can set you up on the wires. Cheaper and better than Merc.
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Thanks ^^^^^^ have all that plug wires and the plugs ready to install.
Do not rule out the GEN 3 cool fuel paint peeling and injectors when was the last time the fuel filters have been changed and the water collector checked ??? Will agree plugs and wires AND the crank position sensor and lets not forget the dreaded IAC and the IAC needs the proper on time maintenance needed to keep that alive and the PCM alive. Bad IAC and or restriction in the IAC system will knock out your pcm. FYI no bull |
It’s all guessing until plugged in. You can eliminate a lot based on what scan reads |
Just wanted to add -- There can be misconceptions about scanning marine engines - Just some info to pass on --- A scan will not show any fuel related issues nor will it show fuel pressure and only half the time will show a completely bad IAC and there is a reason for that - does anyone know why ? Yes there is a reason why that happens.
A scan will not show a crank sensor signal going weak / bad until it goes completely bad with NO start - no tach or stalls the engine on its own. Its not going to show weak spark output either. Its not going to fault code for incorrect timing. Next info - The very first gen 496 s did not have crank and cam sensor fault codes - Since the IAC is one of the most failed - what is the parameters of the iac at start up and at IDLE and off idle to full throttle for this 496 ? How does the 496 IAC operate and what is it call for operation ? This can help to figure out if the IAC is an issue or not Scanning will not show a fault code if all those parameters are off for the IAC and like I said, a completely bad IAC will not show all the time.. Maybe some trivia for whomever to play along and think about, Hopefully help figure stuff out when scanning because there is alot more to it than looking for any fault codes listed.. 'Just throwing out some questions if anyone wants to play along. Is the IAC a sensor and is the IAC a 5 V ref part ? how do you check if your guardian mode ? what is the fault code and fault number for drive lube bottle what does it mean when a fault code list Hi or Low ? What would cause a MPR output fault ? what does this fault mean MAP idle err WHY does an overspeed fault code show at 3500 rpms when the MAX recommended engines rpms for the 496 HO is 5000 K rpms and for the 496 MAG is 4800 rpms ? How can that overspeed fault ? How many fault codes are there for Mechanical T & S PCM 555 for the 496 ? Is there more fault codes for the 496 HO than the 496 MAG ? Just to get some thinking about what can show up when scanning and possible to focus on. |
Wasn't saying that plugging in was definitive. I was just saying that some things can be eliminated and narrowed down. Baseline information. Then I usually start with easiest/cheapest and work from there. I would look at fuel and water separators,plugs, and wires after scanning if nothing found.
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Plugged it in to the computer just now at dealership. Had a few codes and an over rev for too long code. Also checked the throttle it was only showing 80- 90%. Went to moving it manually would jump to almost 100%. Adjusted the linkage, and cleared all codes. Hopefully that does it. He said that over rev code could’ve thrown it into guardian soft mode. Plus the linkage was off on throttle. Anyone had that? |
496ho with 23 mirage plus should plane pretty easily. Mine got up quick without any tabs with the 23 m+
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I would love to know the answers to your questions BUP?
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