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Joestlaachmkr 10-05-2019 05:55 PM

A sad ending to a great boat
 
Found some pics at another forum of the old Tencara Callan Marine.. it`s rotting away somewhere down in Deland,FL. Just think of what a great pleasure/poker run boat this could have been?https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...899f869472.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...bb19a844a8.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...159c19aff8.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...c94d9b9aac.jpg

Joestlaachmkr 10-05-2019 05:59 PM

Here`s a picture from 1997 when it ran as JollyMotors, Laith & JT became world champions with this boat that year.https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f9bc518627.jpg

gmhdfan 10-05-2019 06:08 PM

The old Lucas boat use to sit in the same yard.

jeff32 10-05-2019 06:28 PM

Sank ? What the hell can cause a boat to be in such shape in such a short period !

CT River Baja 10-05-2019 06:33 PM

Looks like it hit something with that amount of damage ...or they stuffed it hard maybe ???

Joestlaachmkr 10-05-2019 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by gmhdfan (Post 4709505)
The old Lucas boat use to sit in the same yard.

So it`s a graveyard for old race boats in other words? It`s doubtful that this Tencara is repairable now it seems like it has been sitting out there for quite some years, but i think a guy like Gary Stray could have fixed the damage it got in Key West 04 within 1-2 weeks if the boat had been in better condition.

gmhdfan 10-05-2019 07:28 PM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e8c84768c.jpeg
Here is a picture I took of it running in Key West

gmhdfan 10-05-2019 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by Joestlaachmkr (Post 4709508)
So it`s a graveyard for old race boats in other words? It`s doubtful that this Tencara is repairable now it seems like it has been sitting out there for quite some years, but i think a guy like Gary Stray could have fixed the original damage the boat got in Key West 04 within 1-2 weeks if the boat had been in better condition.


It’s someone’s yard. Don’t remember the details but I think he transported Nigel Hooks boat. Think I remember seeing the 6 door Lucas tow vehicle. It’s not far from Mystic so if someone wanted to fix it they could.
That picture I posted was before it stuffed in Key West.

Joestlaachmkr 10-05-2019 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by gmhdfan (Post 4709514)



It’s someone’s yard. Don’t remember the details but I think he transported Nigel Hooks boat. Think I remember seeing the 6 door Lucas tow vehicle. It’s not far from Mystic so if someone wanted to fix it they could.
That picture I posted was before it stuffed in Key West.

Alright. Is the boat still owned by John Cosker? i noticed the cockpit was gone maybe he cut it off for a mold? I`m not a naval architect nor a boat builder but i imagine it must be a real nightmare trying to repair this boat now since the materials are weakened after so many years outdoors. A real shame, hate seeing great boats end up like this. Great pic btw.

gmhdfan 10-05-2019 09:25 PM

It’s been awhile but we usually ride past it during Bike Week/Biketoberfest. Probably going in a couple of weeks might take a ride past if I get time.

gmhdfan 10-05-2019 09:34 PM

I’m sure John still owns it, he had it for sale soon after it came back from Key West. It sure would make a great back yard bar with some sawzall trimming😎

speicher lane 10-06-2019 07:22 AM

Didn't the damage of this 48 speed up the design/build/debut of the 50 that is the next gen of Cosker boats?? - which is better known as the Mystic C5000R

Joestlaachmkr 10-06-2019 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by speicher lane (Post 4709555)
Didn't the damage of this 48 speed up the design/build/debut of the 50 that is the next gen of Cosker boats?? - which is better known as the Mystic C5000R

Idk if the damage on this boat speed up the building of the C5000 Callan had his Miss Longlite out pretty early in 05, but the Mystic C5000 was a copy of this Tencara.

Joestlaachmkr 10-07-2019 02:24 AM

It seems like John Cosker still owns the Tencarra, atleast according this old thread from 2007: offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/159455-callan-marine-tencara-sale.html. But why in the hell did he not fix the boat before trying to sell it ???

f_inscreenname 10-07-2019 09:29 PM

Couple 2x4's from Depot for structure and a roll or two flex seal tape and it would be good to go.

Griff 10-07-2019 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by Joestlaachmkr (Post 4709642)
It seems like John Cosker still owns the Tencarra, atleast according this old thread from 2007: offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/159455-callan-marine-tencara-sale.html. But why in the hell did he not fix the boat before trying to sell it ???

Because it could not be repaired to be safe at high speeds. I believe it had something to do with the type of original layup material that was used.

Joestlaachmkr 10-08-2019 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4709808)
Because it could not be repaired to be safe at high speeds. I believe it had something to do with the type of original layup material that was used.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7f895e0e78.jpg
Really? that sounds very strange to me. The Spirit of Norway team in UIM class 1 repaired their boat inhouse in less than 10 days after a crash and this boat was a sister to the Callan Marine Tencara. I think the guys at Mystic could easily have fixed the boat and converted it to a pleasure boat if they had wanted to do so.

B38 10-08-2019 12:12 PM

My neighbor owns it. $15k buys it.
if you want pm me for #.

f_inscreenname 10-08-2019 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by B38 (Post 4709868)
My neighbor owns it. $15k buys it.
if you want pm me for #.

And that's why it's sitting there. :confused:

Joestlaachmkr 10-08-2019 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by B38 (Post 4709868)
My neighbor owns it. $15k buys it.
if you want pm me for #.

Is your neighbour John Cosker? However, I`m certainly not interested in buying this half rotten boat. But if your buddy had used something like $10k to fix the boat and re-rigged her into a pleasure boat when the boat was in better shape then i`m pretty sure he would have got around $35-40k for it.

gmhdfan 10-08-2019 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Joestlaachmkr (Post 4709642)
It seems like John Cosker still owns the Tencarra, atleast according this old thread from 2007: offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/159455-callan-marine-tencara-sale.html. But why in the hell did he not fix the boat before trying to sell it ???

He probably was more interested in promoting his own brand and if the repair had any problems it would be a negative against him. Some times you need to hold them, some times you need to fold them. Plus the Norway team had a race in a couple of weeks after this. Being able to pull a mould off of this hull to make it easier to repair with the help from a few of the Victory guys. Still impressive, but apples and oranges...

speicher lane 10-08-2019 04:51 PM

Mystic also went ahead and outright replaced the original JBS hull (not boat) vs. repair the damage.

Running at 200mph is not the time to question if the crew doing the repair actually knew what they were doing and FIXED the full extent of the delam

Boatlesss 10-08-2019 05:42 PM

hadnt this boat been repaird before? its junk now and mabe it could be a good road side sign like the old 46 skater was for sloppy joes.

Joestlaachmkr 10-08-2019 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by speicher lane (Post 4709896)
Mystic also went ahead and outright replaced the original JBS hull (not boat) vs. repair the damage.

Running at 200mph is not the time to question if the crew doing the repair actually knew what they were doing and FIXED the full extent of the delam

First of all i would like to say that John Cosker seems like a nice guy, but he has been a bit classless in my opinion. First he scanned the Tencara where he made some minor adjustjustments and then he claimed the Mystic C5000 was entirely his work and denied the mold was a scan from the Tencara, then we had this story with the JBS Mystic. Doesn`t sound like a great "Naval architect" to me.

gmhdfan 10-08-2019 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Joestlaachmkr (Post 4709907)
First of all i would like to say that John Cosker seems like a nice guy, but he has been a bit classless in my opinion. First he scanned the Tencara where he made some minor adjustjustments and then he claimed the Mystic C5000 was entirely his work and denied the mold was a scan from the Tencara, then we had this story with the JBS Mystic. Doesn`t sound like a great "Naval architect" to me.

replaces the hull and is classless? Wow! Because he was the only person in the industry to tweak/improve a hull? Jeff had so much drama, couldn’t even buy himself a reality show...

Joestlaachmkr 10-08-2019 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by gmhdfan (Post 4709914)


replaces the hull and is classless? Wow! Because he was the only person in the industry to tweak/improve a hull? Jeff had so much drama, couldn’t even buy himself a reality show...

I did not write that it was classless of Cosker to take a mold of another boat that has happened thousands of times before, but i think it`s classless to claim that the boat was his design and denying the fact that the Mystic C5000 was a copy of the 43 Tencara. Dave Scott once said the reason as to why he decided to order his C5000 was because the design was based on the Callan Marine Tencara. I agree that Jeff overreacted a bit, but i think most if not all would have been pissed by shuch a ****ty treatment.

speicher lane 10-08-2019 07:47 PM

BTW - the 50'performance report card is one helluve tweek imho if that is all the credit John deserves

.... besides, I always thought it was that the mentor is supposed to be exceeded by the student just as the next gen of high performance boat/ car or ??? is supposed to exceed the safety and performance targets of its predecessor..even for the damage that MY WAY incurred hitting the cruiser wake - it's still running hard but the damage wasn't on the running surface if I remember correctly like the Tencara has

tmmii 10-08-2019 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by gmhdfan (Post 4709914)


replaces the hull and is classless? Wow! Because he was the only person in the industry to tweak/improve a hull? Jeff had so much drama, couldn’t even buy himself a reality show...

lmfao on the jbs part. I think he is still waiting on that ten million dollar check from a tiki bar.

ive searched but can’t find any of the old threads on the callan/Cosker split. any chance anyone can find any of them? it’s messier than Apache.

tmmii 10-08-2019 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by f_inscreenname (Post 4709889)
And that's why it's sitting there. :confused:

right? it’s been sitting there rotting for 15 years. like someone said earlier, for free would be a cool conversation piece as a bar or something of the sort.

Quinlan 10-09-2019 06:06 AM

What ever happened to the big azz V he built? I remember it running LOTO early 2000s. Beast

gmhdfan 10-09-2019 07:07 AM

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thisistank 10-09-2019 09:45 AM

I think its personally pretty classless to criticize someone on a forum based on information you're not personally privy too in depth. Second hand info, "what you heard", etc. isn't exactly the facts. I'm guessing you've never actually had a conversation with Cosker. If you had, you'd never use the word "classless" to describe him. One of the most approachable, laid back, cool mo-fo's you'll ever meet. Come on down to the tree bar in Key West during the worlds / poker run in November and tell him how classless he is for whatever reason. I can tell you, it wouldn't be the first time some hater sat there and talked sh!t not knowing they were talking sh!t to the very guy that built the boat they're talking sh!t about. But you'd never known it, cool as always, John just let the guy talk, never saying a word. But that's another story and a hilarious one at that. But if you really wanted to know the history of Callen, where the inspiration for the Mystics came from, why he chose not to repair certain boats, etc. he just might tell you if the timings right. He's not one to toot his own horn but catch him at the right time, say over dinner, he just may tell you personally all about it.

Jupiter Sunsation 10-09-2019 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 4709969)
I think its personally pretty classless to criticize someone on a forum based on information you're not personally privy too in depth. Second hand info, "what you heard", etc. isn't exactly the facts. I'm guessing you've never actually had a conversation with Cosker. If you had, you'd never use the word "classless" to describe him. One of the most approachable, laid back, cool mo-fo's you'll ever meet. Come on down to the tree bar in Key West during the worlds / poker run in November and tell him how classless he is for whatever reason. I can tell you, it wouldn't be the first time some hater sat there and talked sh!t not knowing they were talking sh!t to the very guy that built the boat they're talking sh!t about. But you'd never known it, cool as always, John just let the guy talk, never saying a word. But that's another story and a hilarious one at that. But if you really wanted to know the history of Callen, where the inspiration for the Mystics came from, why he chose not to repair certain boats, etc. he just might tell you if the timings right. He's not one to toot his own horn but catch him at the right time, say over dinner, he just may tell you personally all about it.

I think this is Darr trolling:

1. Goofy screen name...........check
2. Instant knowledge.............check
3. Off the wall comments.......check
4. Misspellings.......................check

thisistank 10-09-2019 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4709972)
I think this is Darr trolling:

1. Goofy screen name...........check
2. Instant knowledge.............check
3. Off the wall comments.......check
4. Misspellings.......................check

I was actually thinking the same thing. But even so, not gonna just sit back and read someone bashing a guy for no reason that I'm glad to call a friend.

payuppsucker 10-09-2019 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 4709974)
I was actually thinking the same thing. But even so, not gonna just sit back and read someone bashing a guy I'm glad to call a friend.

Why not? Me and Jason let each other bash you on the regular. lol

thisistank 10-09-2019 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4709983)
Why not? Me and Jason let each other bash you on the regular. lol

I said friend dude...Come on.




:funnypost:

Joestlaachmkr 10-09-2019 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 4709969)
I think its personally pretty classless to criticize someone on a forum based on information you're not personally privy too in depth. Second hand info, "what you heard", etc. isn't exactly the facts. I'm guessing you've never actually had a conversation with Cosker. If you had, you'd never use the word "classless" to describe him. One of the most approachable, laid back, cool mo-fo's you'll ever meet. Come on down to the tree bar in Key West during the worlds / poker run in November and tell him how classless he is for whatever reason. I can tell you, it wouldn't be the first time some hater sat there and talked sh!t not knowing they were talking sh!t to the very guy that built the boat they're talking sh!t about. But you'd never known it, cool as always, John just let the guy talk, never saying a word. But that's another story and a hilarious one at that. But if you really wanted to know the history of Callen, where the inspiration for the Mystics came from, why he chose not to repair certain boats, etc. he just might tell you if the timings right. He's not one to toot his own horn but catch him at the right time, say over dinner, he just may tell you personally all about it.

John Cosker seems like a genuinely nice guy from what i have/read eventhough i have never had pleasure of meeting him, thing is most people within the boat industry were not impressed by Cosker when he claimed the Mystic C5000 was his own design and denied it was a scan of the Tencara and i would not have liked to be one of his customers given how he handled the whole JBS-saga.

Joestlaachmkr 10-09-2019 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4709972)
I think this is Darr trolling:

1. Goofy screen name...........check
2. Instant knowledge.............check
3. Off the wall comments.......check
4. Misspellings.......................check

I`m certainly not trolling. The reason as to why i started this thread was because i hate seeing great boats like this one in such conditions and i just wanted to share it, there`s lots of history to this boat.

Jupiter Sunsation 10-09-2019 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Joestlaachmkr (Post 4710026)
I`m certainly not trolling. The reason as to why i started this thread was because i hate seeing great boats like this one in such conditions and i just wanted to share it, there`s lots of history to this boat.

So you admit to "not trolling" but you don't deny you are Jim Darr?

Joestlaachmkr 10-09-2019 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 4710049)
So you admit to "not trolling" but you don't deny you are Jim Darr?

Yeah, whatever.


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