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Apache 22 setup!
Hi!!
I just bought an Apache 22 -1988 with 225hp Johnson outboard. Boat has long bracket with swim tab and i have now 4" hydraulic jackplate in garage to put on it. My guestion is that is it going to be too long set back with 4" jackplate? Outboard is now guite low and there is also one holes to lift it up but for best results i am willing to put jackplate on it. Old owner has drive 58mph with 14.25*19 (Viper) propeller and i have 14*26 propeller waiting to get tested when summer is coming.. |
Originally Posted by Antti
(Post 4719431)
Hi!!
I just bought an Apache 22 -1988 with 225hp Johnson outboard. Boat has long bracket with swim tab and i have now 4" hydraulic jackplate in garage to put on it. My guestion is that is it going to be too long set back with 4" jackplate? Outboard is now guite low and there is also one holes to lift it up but for best results i am willing to put jackplate on it. Old owner has drive 58mph with 14.25*19 (Viper) propeller and i have 14*26 propeller waiting to get tested when summer is coming.. |
Now way you'll be able spin a 26" prop if you are even close to correct rpms with the 19"
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ScreamandFLy.com is the best outboard forum for that boat. Lots of SOB (single outboard) info and knowledge over there. Good luck!
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Our 24CC is based off that hull as we bought the mold way back when Apache went away. Our set back is 24" and some customers use a hyd jack plate either for performance or shallow water. Typically we run a 21" Mercury Tempest for good all around performance.
Hope this helps! Jay Pilini |
Thank you all for answers.
Previous owner couldn't tell if rpm's was on point because cauge didn't work. Info was that it was running 58mph like solid train. I have also little doubts about 26 prop and will get something between those 19-26 to try. Ofcourse hydraulic jack plate will help to get some props work but too much is too much =) Cant post pics because less than 10 messges..... |
Much is going to ride on how healthy (or sick) your motor is. If it were healthy and set up for just for top end, I'd guess mid 60's is about right. I'd also guess it's down a few ponies from new too.
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I did test run last week and it was 58mph very solid ride. Little problems with power trim so during winter need to check it up that also. =) When the spring comes will do more test with different propellers. I think that mid 60´s very possible with that old Johnson....
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You might want to read through this thread:
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...che-scout.html What you'll find is an exhaustive first hand description of how one of our members (J-Bones) took a boat just like yours from a basket case to what has to be the nicest 22 Apache Scout on the planet. (Maybe even the nicest 22' SOB on the planet!) |
Yeah! I have read that couple times and i surely can agree! =) Impressive work and dedication.......very very nice maybe the nicest 22SOB!
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Originally Posted by Too Stroked
(Post 4720328)
You might want to read through this thread:
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...che-scout.html What you'll find is an exhaustive first hand description of how one of our members (J-Bones) took a boat just like yours from a basket case to what has to be the nicest 22 Apache Scout on the planet. (Maybe even the nicest 22' SOB on the planet!) |
I am truly humbled by all the kind words about my build. Thanks Tom and Indy! As for set up, I still don’t have much input, I am still running some random OMC prop pulled from a buddies barn. It got my RPMs in range and got me to 56mph. I am bummed with the performance but have had no time to do anything about it = 3 kids. I am hoping this spring to tow up to B-Blades and try a bunch out. I would love to go with a bigger engine but the 200hp is healthy and running. I can’t see spending more cheese as I will want to someday get a bigger boat. I will keep running it til it pukes... Good luck on your quest. They are not the fastest 21’s but do ride good. I was out on Erie coming back in 3 to 4’s and we got thru it, kids actually fell asleep. I was a little, ready to get docked, but the boat ran thru it still on plane ;)
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Antti,
post some pics of your new boat! |
Originally Posted by J-Bonz
(Post 4720625)
I am truly humbled by all the kind words about my build. Thanks Tom and Indy! As for set up, I still don’t have much input, I am still running some random OMC prop pulled from a buddies barn. It got my RPMs in range and got me to 56mph. I am bummed with the performance but have had no time to do anything about it = 3 kids. I am hoping this spring to tow up to B-Blades and try a bunch out. I would love to go with a bigger engine but the 200hp is healthy and running. I can’t see spending more cheese as I will want to someday get a bigger boat. I will keep running it til it pukes... Good luck on your quest. They are not the fastest 21’s but do ride good. I was out on Erie coming back in 3 to 4’s and we got thru it, kids actually fell asleep. I was a little, ready to get docked, but the boat ran thru it still on plane ;)
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Originally Posted by Antti
(Post 4720632)
You should be humbled! Lot of work and effort you have put on it and it is nice...very nice! =) Well i am quite satisyed to speed and like the way it handles but let´s see if can get the +60mph with this old -88 225 Johnson. I like it when you can go wot and it is perfect still to handle and ofcourse in rough conditions...that´s the main thing to me. And need to remember there is always someone who is faster unless on nice weather unless you spend whole lot a money. ;) I will post when my 10 messages are accomplished! =)
Did you get your ten posts in yet? I wanna see some pics of this boat already :) |
Originally Posted by J-Bonz
(Post 4721486)
thanks for the kind words. I definitely agree. The boat runs great in the chop and even when it gets bigger. As for speed, I was kind of downing it but, with a family of 3 all below 8yrs old I am ok with it. It’s great to run faster than most and have confidence on how it performs. Heck, I put the oldest on the sticks and my middle kid sitting on my lap stearing and have a blast. Yes I have a hand on both, steering and throttle but it’s great letting them feel the fun!
Did you get your ten posts in yet? I wanna see some pics of this boat already :) Definetly it´s great that they feel the fun also....and get to boats from very young and learn to drive. Hey what kind of prop you are using? Question for everybody here!? Is it worth to put trim tabs to Apache with long bracket?? I have smart tabs on my little boat about 15-16feet with 115hp and they work perfect on that...there is no bracket and it is light as hell only 250-300kg. |
Originally Posted by Antti
(Post 4721494)
Not yet, on my count now i have couple more messages left =D I try to go and talk **** in the forum.
Definetly it´s great that they feel the fun also....and get to boats from very young and learn to drive. Hey what kind of prop you are using? Question for everybody here!? Is it worth to put trim tabs to Apache with long bracket?? I have smart tabs on my little boat about 15-16feet with 115hp and they work perfect on that...there is no bracket and it is light as hell only 250-300kg. |
Originally Posted by Too Stroked
(Post 4721499)
If you want to go fast in rough water, I always recommend trim tabs. In this case they're not needed to get the boat on plane. What they are needed for is controlling the attitude (and thus altitude) of the boat in flight. Properly selected and installed, a good set of tabs will effectively lengthen the hull running surface by the length of the tab. And since the tab is the last thing water sees as it rushes under your hull, the tabs can effectively "trip" the bow back down coming off a big wave as opposed to having it "reach for the sky." Just my 2 cents.
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NOW 10 is completed! Here is when i bought it. Now doing some cleaning and upgrades during winter.. |
Originally Posted by Antti
(Post 4721500)
Yes i do want to go fast in rough waters and having quite safe performance in rough waters. Your 2 cents was a very good 2 cents.....any recmmendation from tabs?
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Nice boat. They need lots of setback. Jack plate will be great for adjusting. You said it already has tabs? Let's see a pic of the transom. They are heavy, and if yours has been retaining water it might really heavy.
You could start by running the prop shaft 2 inches below the pad, and work up from there in half inch increments, depending on the propeller. Something like a Trophy or even a Raker will be good to try for overall use. I'd guess you're going to use a 21 to 23" pitch, depending. Weigh it. Inspect for rot. If it doesn't already have tabs, get it dialed in before you add them, and you may not want them. I would go without tabs on that boat. More pics! |
Originally Posted by blacktruck
(Post 4721678)
Nice boat. They need lots of setback. Jack plate will be great for adjusting. You said it already has tabs? Let's see a pic of the transom. They are heavy, and if yours has been retaining water it might really heavy.
You could start by running the prop shaft 2 inches below the pad, and work up from there in half inch increments, depending on the propeller. Something like a Trophy or even a Raker will be good to try for overall use. I'd guess you're going to use a 21 to 23" pitch, depending. Weigh it. Inspect for rot. If it doesn't already have tabs, get it dialed in before you add them, and you may not want them. I would go without tabs on that boat. More pics! Boat was ok and i didn´t find any rot from nowhere thank god! It has been stored in boat house. |
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I'm thinking the trailer is a little too small.
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Originally Posted by Gary C
(Post 4721722)
I'm thinking the trailer is a little too small.
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Originally Posted by Too Stroked
(Post 4721724)
I'm thinking the trailer is waaay too small. (Both in length and capacity.)
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Originally Posted by Antti
(Post 4721725)
Hahhaaaaa damn it is in perfect balance there. 😄 It is only short time in trailer other times it is in the water or in storage with stands.
That one has a 6" jack plate, The engine has built in setback of about 4" and a 7" notched transom. The sweet spot for these boats is around 16" of setback, give or take depending on engine weight, boat weight etc. Make sure your hull is straight! That trailer is dangerous. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f5803464_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...405a8c7f_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...90e60cc1_b.jpg |
Yes i have seen that Activator on Instagram and it is a cool boat!! I didn`t know that activator is also heavy boat. I thought it was same kind like Velocity so nice to know it works fine with hard set back. Really looking forward summer and get to test few props. But before that i have some few little things to do...for example wrapping the deck and creating a small wind shield. =)
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Scout got some tapes....
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Looks awesome. Love these 21-22ft powerboats.
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Some little cosmetic job done during the winter. Now waiting for warmer days to hit prop testing...i have read that Trophy 24-26p has been quite good in this set up. Now what i have upcoming is 3-blade Mirage plus 23, 4-blade Bravo1 lab finished 24p, 3-blade Raker 26p, 3-blade Ballistic 26XL and 4-blade Turbo TXP 24.....opinions please!!? |
Looks good, any updates?
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Yeah, Curious on how this boat is running for you also!! Summertime is hear, you should be in the water and enjoying!
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Originally Posted by J-Bonz
(Post 4744944)
Yeah, Curious on how this boat is running for you also!! Summertime is hear, you should be in the water and enjoying!
Some little planning to 300hp on next summer 😄 Lets see how long my old Johnson is pushing forward.... How are you guys? Been cruising a lot? |
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64 mph sounds pretty good for that boat & Engine combo! Apache’s are known to be the heaviest of the 21’s
jr |
Originally Posted by J-Bonz
(Post 4745628)
64 mph sounds pretty good for that boat & Engine combo! Apache’s are known to be the heaviest of the 21’s
jr https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...dbfab6b6d1.jpg |
Sounds like your runs in the rough just as well. Crazy it made it that far from south Florida. I am pretty impressed with the ride in mine, I was out in som 3 to 4’s on lake Erie’s and we moved along nicely. Heck, the two kids fell asleep coming back from one of the islands
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Hi all!
Now when summer is almost over is time for BIG question😁 gettin that old V8 omc hanging in the apache ass or some new 300hp engine....mercury or yamaha. What you guys think?? Old v8 would be quite handsome in the bracket in my opinion. Ofcourse it is not as Light weighted than new ones but still....i am very curious to hear opinions and experiences. 😎 |
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