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marks86 07-26-2021 04:49 PM

Fast small hulls
 
I have a badass 502 sitting in my garage that I’m looking to drop in a fast hull, I’m gonna use this boat mainly for poker runs, and ripping around, not concerned with radios or cup holders

If I could pick I’d find a 24 progression LD ex race boat. But progressions arnt easy boats to find as it is

any other fast 24’ ish hulls out there, love to find an ex race boat that’s still in decent shape

Padraig 07-26-2021 06:25 PM

A tad smaller but a 22 Velocity would do what you want. There was one without power and drive in the classifieds.

Padraig

marks86 07-26-2021 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4799062)
A tad smaller but a 22 Velocity would do what you want. There was one without power and drive in the classifieds.

Padraig

awesome boats for sure but I agree on the tad small size, I had a 22 progression with a 300xs loved the boat but I think 700hp and 24’ has a nice ring to it.

Looking 07-26-2021 06:52 PM

Saw this Magnum on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...f-e87193e92531

marks86 07-26-2021 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Looking (Post 4799070)

no 24/7 boats, badass looking yes, badass in rough water of course, not the fastest hulls out there

SB 07-26-2021 07:58 PM

????

https://www.tuffboats.com/tuff-24-inboard

resurrected 07-27-2021 06:12 AM

There is a 28' twin step Donzi bare hull in the swap shop. No idea on performance though

Dave M 07-27-2021 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by marks86 (Post 4799074)
no 24/7 boats, badass looking yes, badass in rough water of course, not the fastest hulls out there

The 24 Superboat I owned went close to 80 with a stock 496HO.

boostbros 07-27-2021 07:35 AM

We built what you are thinking of doing we used an 24 or 25 active thunder hull that was like new used a hi performance xr transome a bravo XR 380 tabs and close to 800 hp natural aspirated we use a 26p bravo prop and run it deep the hull has no steps its the most fun turn key does not break can carry 8 people and get on plane it really winds out up to 6800 on a very cool day. when we built the engine we killed the low end torque and put it on top like a truck puller....its just the most fun bang for your buck i have ever been involved with it runs into the 90s we call it thunder therapy and it sure is after a long week.... enjoy your build! and yes we could go faster but you start to lose driveability as you raise the drive and get into custom props it ended up being driver ed to teach my son how to drive fast in all conditions as we are restoring an 388 with big power but not so forgiving to learn on......just to show how old school i am we have never left the dock with out every one wearing a life vest! you can build a simple reliable fun predictable boat just think it out....you are welcome to come for a ride if you are in the lake ontario area

marks86 07-27-2021 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Dave M (Post 4799127)
The 24 Superboat I owned went close to 80 with a stock 496HO.

I definitely like those boats, I don’t have actual experience with a 24/7 boat but I’ve Hurd they are a handful above 90

marks86 07-27-2021 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by boostbros (Post 4799128)
We built what you are thinking of doing we used an 24 or 25 active thunder hull that was like new used a hi performance xr transome a bravo XR 380 tabs and close to 800 hp natural aspirated we use a 26p bravo prop and run it deep the hull has no steps its the most fun turn key does not break can carry 8 people and get on plane it really winds out up to 6800 on a very cool day. when we built the engine we killed the low end torque and put it on top like a truck puller....its just the most fun bang for your buck i have ever been involved with it runs into the 90s we call it thunder therapy and it sure is after a long week.... enjoy your build! and yes we could go faster but you start to lose driveability as you raise the drive and get into custom props it ended up being driver ed to teach my son how to drive fast in all conditions as we are restoring an 388 with big power but not so forgiving to learn on......just to show how old school i am we have never left the dock with out every one wearing a life vest! you can build a simple reliable fun predictable boat just think it out....you are welcome to come for a ride if you are in the lake ontario area

thanks man I appreciate it, my goal is to have a lightweight boat that I really have to drive, my goal is to achieve 100mph. I know the motor I have doesn’t make the most power but I’d like it to be reliable and fun.

Dave M 07-27-2021 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by marks86 (Post 4799148)
I definitely like those boats, I don’t have actual experience with a 24/7 boat but I’ve Hurd they are a handful above 90

Ya, I really didn't have a great desire to go any faster in that boat. I like the idea of decent speeds with a stock, low maintenance motor.

Liquid Fix 07-27-2021 10:25 AM

I have a little 25' cat with IMCO drive, hydraulic steering, big tube headers, etc. that I would let go of pretty cheap.

marks86 07-27-2021 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Liquid Fix (Post 4799165)
I have a little 25' cat with IMCO drive, hydraulic steering, big tube headers, etc. that I would let go of pretty cheap.

what 25’ hull? Any pics

Slippery 07-27-2021 12:36 PM

27 Fountain is about 24' lol

Sorry. I know I deserve any heat I get for that shot, but I have an almost pavlovian compulsion to swing at stuff going slow over the middle of the plate.

+1 RE Tuff Boats, they're badass, but I'm thinking you're looking for an older boat to re-power ?

There's a few still around & If you could find one, Challenger Boats out of MI made a pretty cool 24 which ran well..

Personally, I think I'd lean toward some sort of air entrapment boat ...there's a Talon I/O by me that runs good & I've always loved the old classic Eliminator Daytona hulls like their 23'..... I think Stoker made a cool I/O but it might be only 22'.

If you're not into air entrapment, don't forget west coast stuff - Laveycraft, Hallett, Nordic, etc ...I think Warlock made a 24ish V as well...my perception is they're all a "smaller water go fast hull"

The real trick right now is finding a used hull the owner doesn't think a bag of gold is hidden in.

Good luck




Liquid Fix 07-27-2021 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by marks86 (Post 4799181)
what 25’ hull? Any pics


PM me your number and I can text you some pics

RaggedEdge 07-27-2021 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Slippery (Post 4799186)
27 Fountain is about 24' lol

Sorry. I know I deserve any heat I get for that shot, but I have an almost pavlovian compulsion to swing at stuff going slow over the middle of the plate.

+1 RE Tuff Boats, they're badass, but I'm thinking you're looking for an older boat to re-power ?

There's a few still around & If you could find one, Challenger Boats out of MI made a pretty cool 24 which ran well..

Personally, I think I'd lean toward some sort of air entrapment boat ...there's a Talon I/O by me that runs good & I've always loved the old classic





Eliminator Daytona hulls like their 23'..... I think Stoker made a cool I/O but it might be only 22'.

If you're not into air entrapment, don't forget west coast stuff - Laveycraft, Hallett, Nordic, etc ...I think Warlock made a 24ish V as well...my perception is they're all a "smaller water go fast hull"

The real trick right now is finding a used hull the owner doesn't think a bag of gold is hidden in.

Good luck

Boy you have all the answers to all the questions / problems. Exactly what Big Azz Mo Fo Ball Buster rig do you run on every regular Sunday?????????????????

You surely must run 200+ at your normal cruse. You got some real hot 180 Bagliner with a 4 cyl perf chit motor?

Spill the beans here, What is your secret to the max speed !!!!!!!!

Oh! Just a little bit of advise here, If you can not afford to own a real FOUNTAIN ,,,,,,, Them just shut the Fock up and buy the chit fock you can.

onesickpantera 07-27-2021 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by RaggedEdge (Post 4799234)
Boy you have all the answers to all the questions / problems. Exactly what Big Azz Mo Fo Ball Buster rig do you run on every regular Sunday?????????????????

You surely must run 200+ at your normal cruse. You got some real hot 180 Bagliner with a 4 cyl perf chit motor?

Spill the beans here, What is your secret to the max speed !!!!!!!!

Oh! Just a little bit of advise here, If you can not afford to own a real FOUNTAIN ,,,,,,, Them just shut the Fock up and buy the chit fock you can.

Huh?

marks86 07-27-2021 06:05 PM

I think he was giving you the heat you deserve for the fountain comment lol

Stuckonstupid 07-27-2021 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by RaggedEdge (Post 4799234)
Boy you have all the answers to all the questions / problems. Exactly what Big Azz Mo Fo Ball Buster rig do you run on every regular Sunday?????????????????

You surely must run 200+ at your normal cruse. You got some real hot 180 Bagliner with a 4 cyl perf chit motor?

Spill the beans here, What is your secret to the max speed !!!!!!!!

Oh! Just a little bit of advise here, If you can not afford to own a real FOUNTAIN ,,,,,,, Them just shut the Fock up and buy the chit fock you can.

What’s a fake fountain?

SB 07-27-2021 07:35 PM

Must be newer people. The fountain length shortcomings and fountain skank comments ran rampant around here, even by fountain owners. It was funny stuff by all.

Either way, watching someone get triggered is funny too. Lol.

apex svt 07-28-2021 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by boostbros (Post 4799128)
We built what you are thinking of doing we used an 24 or 25 active thunder hull that was like new used a hi performance xr transome a bravo XR 380 tabs and close to 800 hp natural aspirated we use a 26p bravo prop and run it deep the hull has no steps its the most fun turn key does not break can carry 8 people and get on plane it really winds out up to 6800 on a very cool day. when we built the engine we killed the low end torque and put it on top like a truck puller....its just the most fun bang for your buck i have ever been involved with it runs into the 90s we call it thunder therapy and it sure is after a long week.... enjoy your build! and yes we could go faster but you start to lose driveability as you raise the drive and get into custom props it ended up being driver ed to teach my son how to drive fast in all conditions as we are restoring an 388 with big power but not so forgiving to learn on......just to show how old school i am we have never left the dock with out every one wearing a life vest! you can build a simple reliable fun predictable boat just think it out....you are welcome to come for a ride if you are in the lake ontario area

Which 388?


OP a 27 Activator would be a rocket, they are pretty “small” 27’s with their narrow beam 7’6” I believe. If you were able to find a twin step model you’d be flying. They’ve been mid 80’s with a 525 in those.

boostbros 07-28-2021 08:01 AM

Hustler 388 with arnson drives

96scarab 07-28-2021 08:05 AM

Apache scout!!!

apex svt 07-28-2021 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by boostbros (Post 4799293)
Hustler 388 with arnson drives

Black Cloud?

Team Archer 07-28-2021 12:24 PM

Look for a 26 Larry Smith Scarab 700 will push it to about mid to upper 90s Last one we built runs 83 with a 540 and 100 gallons of gas and 4 people

hogie roll 07-28-2021 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by marks86 (Post 4799149)
thanks man I appreciate it, my goal is to have a lightweight boat that I really have to drive, my goal is to achieve 100mph. I know the motor I have doesn’t make the most power but I’d like it to be reliable and fun.

With a 502?

boostbros 07-29-2021 07:48 AM

BlackCloud....... is coming back to life! Blackcloud Rising.....lol its a lot of work but an awesome boat!

Slippery 07-29-2021 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by RaggedEdge (Post 4799234)
Boy you have all the answers to all the questions / problems. Exactly what Big Azz Mo Fo Ball Buster rig do you run on every regular Sunday?????????????????

You surely must run 200+ at your normal cruse. You got some real hot 180 Bagliner with a 4 cyl perf chit motor?

Spill the beans here, What is your secret to the max speed !!!!!!!!

Oh! Just a little bit of advise here, If you can not afford to own a real FOUNTAIN ,,,,,,, Them just shut the Fock up and buy the chit fock you can.


1- It's "cruise"

2 - Apologies man, I didn't mean to piss in your Cheerios, all the real FOUNTAIN owners I know aren't seriously sensitive about the beak. I won't tell the story, but it's out there, of an owner who was so insensitive when class rules were changed he applied a sawzall to a nearly new fountain to get his OAL within limits. FWIW I'm a fan, I love what RF did for both the industry and the sport, and the beak and platform were genius from both a marketing standpoint AND for insurance purposes RE HP per length calculations.

3 - I can afford one, left hand sticks don't work for me. And 200 ? No. Not 200.

4 - Seriously, I don't want to turn this into a pissing contest and it wasn't my intent to hurt anyone's feelings. If I ever bring one of the boats to NY the first round is on me by way of apology.

s


Too Stroked 07-29-2021 04:07 PM

I just have to correct Slippery's sig line. He states that: There are 2 types of people in this world:

1. Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

Truth be told, there are three types of people in this world. Those that can count and those that cannot.

larslindroth 07-30-2021 12:53 AM

A good choice might be a Michael Peters' designed Maelstrom 23. A couple per year usually come up for sale. In other words, they are rare, but not impossible to find.

One is for sale in Lake Havasu now and that's kind of far to go for you, but if you stuck your motor in that you'd see triple digits. They're famous for providing a stable

ride and handle chop well. Length almost 24' and a wide 8'6" beam.

1990 23? Maelstrom Closed Bow ? The Boat Brokers

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...171901f83b.jpg


plavutka 07-30-2021 04:05 AM


Spyder V24 from Germany

Slippery 07-30-2021 02:26 PM

Just thinking out loud, but the ski race crowd stuffs big power in relatively small hulls and they go ridiculously fast pulling a pair of skiers. (check out the Bridge to Bridge race if you really want to fall down a rabbit hole)

Think 1350 hp in front of a 6 drive - or 2 - in a 7.14 meter boat @ 120 mph

We've already established that boat length is fairly open to interpretation lol but I believe due to class requirements I'm guessing they get as much done in a small hull as anyone while handling the power and being controllable.

If you could find one of those hulls from someone changing class or retiring ? You'd have something unique and may have a boat with "real" race history. I'd think a healthy 502 would push one of those hulls well enough to blow your hair back.

I don't know all the hulls, but Bernico is a big player and is nearly 24', and Nordic in CA makes a 21 Cyclone (which is smaller than you want) but has no platform and a short deck meaning - without throwing any rocks or bruising any egos - your real running surface might be comparable to a "larger" boat with a built in platform and more deck.

cheers




onesickpantera 07-30-2021 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by larslindroth (Post 4799539)
A good choice might be a Michael Peters' designed Maelstrom 23. A couple per year usually come up for sale. In other words, they are rare, but not impossible to find.

One is for sale in Lake Havasu now and that's kind of far to go for you, but if you stuck your motor in that you'd see triple digits. They're famous for providing a stable

ride and handle chop well. Length almost 24' and a wide 8'6" beam.

1990 23? Maelstrom Closed Bow ? The Boat Brokers

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...171901f83b.jpg

Good call on the Maelstrom. Those are cool little boats and seem to be fast hulls.

RaggedEdge 07-30-2021 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by Slippery (Post 4799472)
1- It's "cruise"

2 - Apologies man, I didn't mean to piss in your Cheerios, all the real FOUNTAIN owners I know aren't seriously sensitive about the beak. I won't tell the story, but it's out there, of an owner who was so insensitive when class rules were changed he applied a sawzall to a nearly new fountain to get his OAL within limits. FWIW I'm a fan, I love what RF did for both the industry and the sport, and the beak and platform were genius from both a marketing standpoint AND for insurance purposes RE HP per length calculations.

3 - I can afford one, left hand sticks don't work for me. And 200 ? No. Not 200.

4 - Seriously, I don't want to turn this into a pissing contest and it wasn't my intent to hurt anyone's feelings. If I ever bring one of the boats to NY the first round is on me by way of apology.

s


Apologies back at you as well. Bad day at work, tad too much Crown?

Went off for no good reason, for so long on here Fountains have been bashed for any and every reason known to man. Hell some hate the boats cause Reggie used hair dye.

I have owned two over a period of 16+ years and have never suffered from all the problems claimed to be so common to the brand.

I'm a Reggie fan to the core, love the look, love the Beak / and there is a reason for it's design not at all related to go fast chit . I love my boat, and though I do not use it as much as in years past I just do not seem to find a boat that I would replace it with.

Frosted Mini Wheats are the cereal of choice here. :-}

marks86 07-30-2021 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4799377)
With a 502?

yes sir

apex svt 07-31-2021 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by boostbros (Post 4799432)
BlackCloud....... is coming back to life! Blackcloud Rising.....lol its a lot of work but an awesome boat!

Tried pm’ing you, inbox is full. Very interested in this project as we have a asd 388 as well (Bravo conversion, not 8’s). If you care to share.

boostbros 07-31-2021 08:06 PM

i emptied the box out kinda strange in todays world it only holds 10 messages Blackcloud has been a very hard charging beast id love to share info

hogie roll 07-31-2021 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by marks86 (Post 4799642)
yes sir

Gonna have to be a wild one, or the latest and greatest hull

marks86 08-01-2021 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4799775)
Gonna have to be a wild one, or the latest and greatest hull

a 502 with Canfield heads and a whipple on top should be around 700hp, with the right hull and setup I should be very close to my goal


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