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Old 06-28-2022 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 1983ScarabIII
Yes, St Clair is down from the last few years, but it's still a lot above average.

https://www.lre.usace.army.mil/Missi...-Water-Levels/

Ha! You beat me to it LOL
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Old 06-28-2022 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ThisIsLivin
Still can't see the other side from my place on Lake Huron. No water issues here. People panic when the level drops a few feet.
I don't know all the details because it was kept pretty quiet I guess, but I talked to a guy the other day who said MI and surrounding states dodged a bullet a few years ago with proposed legislation to sell Gr Lakes water to AZ...studies allegedly indicated the lakes would have been a desert within 20 yrs. Story is UM, MSU, some Native American tribal councils, Canada, and others all got together to defeat the legislation.

I only vaguely remember something about it...it sure didn't make the news like all the "ban the pipeline" stories.

Lake Nacimiento in CA is in a bad way as well from what I understand




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Old 06-28-2022 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Slippery
I don't know all the details because it was kept pretty quiet I guess, but I talked to a guy the other day who said MI and surrounding states dodged a bullet a few years ago with proposed legislation to sell Gr Lakes water to AZ...studies allegedly indicated the lakes would have been a desert within 20 yrs. Story is UM, MSU, some Native American tribal councils, Canada, and others all got together to defeat the legislation.

I only vaguely remember something about it...it sure didn't make the news like all the "ban the pipeline" stories.

Lake Nacimiento in CA is in a bad way as well from what I understand




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That is the Great Lakes Compact and their function is to protect those waters.
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Old 06-29-2022 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Slippery
I don't know all the details because it was kept pretty quiet I guess, but I talked to a guy the other day who said MI and surrounding states dodged a bullet a few years ago with proposed legislation to sell Gr Lakes water to AZ...studies allegedly indicated the lakes would have been a desert within 20 yrs. Story is UM, MSU, some Native American tribal councils, Canada, and others all got together to defeat the legislation.

I only vaguely remember something about it...it sure didn't make the news like all the "ban the pipeline" stories.

Lake Nacimiento in CA is in a bad way as well from what I understand




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While I certainly believe the idea was defeated for good reason, there is no way the great lakes would be dry in 20 years. The lakes are simply too big (too much water) and they simply couldn't move that much water in such a short period of time. One article noted if the Alaskan pipeline was used 24/7 with no interruptions, it would take 800 days to refill Lake Mead (2.2 years) and that is the biggest pipeline in the US.

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Old 06-29-2022 | 07:34 AM
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With the seas rising according to the climate change specialists, now is the time to make desalination plants and they can keep the rising seas in check, and water their lawns all in the same day. just more BS govt.

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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
While I certainly believe the idea was defeated for good reason, there is no way the great lakes would be dry in 20 years. The lakes are simply too big (too much water) and they simply couldn't move that much water in such a short period of time. One article noted if the Alaskan pipeline was used 24/7 with no interruptions, it would take 800 days to refill Lake Mead (2.2 years) and that is the biggest pipeline in the US.

That was my first thought as well; at the end of the day when you apply the laws of physics it's still a math equation re flow and volume, and the pipe big enough to drain the lakes would be an incredible feat of engineering. I don't know what the current total outflow of the Great Lakes water to the Ocean via river is, but the pipe would have to be able to handle several times the current outflow, correct?

On the other hand, when I see the several feet Lake MI has fluctuated in the last 20 years without a giant pipeline to AZ (and who knows where else, once the project is completed ?) it doesn't take a lot of imagination to conjure visions of bad things, especially if you ignore the realities of physics or common sense. Especially common sense.

I've lived on a small inland lake all my life, and the examples of knee jerk hysteria RE lake levels never ceases to amaze me. I've heard people blame high lake levels on "all the new homes, and all the new boats, and all those new boats floating are to blame, like too many dishes in the sink". We had a low water situation several years ago and we had an over zealous resident successfully get a DNR officer to our association meeting to "consult" about the low water levels. The resident was convinced it was due to all the "new homes" and all the underground sprinkling. Even after the DNR officer patiently explained that evaporation rate was several times that of sprinkling (and reminded her much of the sprinkling water rejoined the watershed) and the fact that a warm (for us) winter and relatively dry spring resulted in late ice and early thaw - meaning the lake had more opportunity than normal for evaporation to affect the level, and not enough rain didn't produce sufficient replenishment, our resident wanted to argue with the DNR because she didn't get the answer she wanted.

Sorry to sidetrack..

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Old 06-29-2022 | 02:38 PM
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So they`re trying to live in desert and want my Lake Michigan water ?!
GTFO
Here`s an idea, don`t live in a desert.
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Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL
So they`re trying to live in desert and want my Lake Michigan water ?!
GTFO
Here`s an idea, don`t live in a desert.
Will you stop making sense!!!!!
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Old 06-29-2022 | 06:01 PM
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How important is it to keep the Great Lakes accessible from the ocean? 5.9 million cubic feet of water flow over Niagara Falls every minute and then through Lake Ontario and on to the ocean via the St. Lawrence River. Build a dam somewhere on the river like maybe way up by Quebec City. We'd still have a navigable river and great lakes shipping would continue but not for ocean going vessels, most of which are too large for the Great Lakes shipping channels anyway. Now we can potentially divert 5.9 million cubic feet of fresh water per minute that is now destined to flow into the Atlantic Ocean. Just a thought...
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Old 06-29-2022 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by offshoredrillin
because california knows oh so much about preservation... they did it to themselves.

And may they wallow in in it till they turn prune. They tell the rest of us how we should run our lives as they make a fock mess of theirs and then want all of us to bail their sorry azzes out of their self inflicted mess.
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