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Miami show photos
Here are some photo from the Miami show. Also the new Cigarette wave runner. It could not be displayed as a complete unit until it has been Coast guard approved per Alex Ruiz.
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Thanks for the great pics.
I guess things come and go and I get the appeal but the outboards….ugh, over them. Lol |
Originally Posted by thisistank
(Post 4859493)
Thanks for the great pics.
I guess things come and go and I get the appeal but the outboards….ugh, over them. Lol I was talking to a guy who sells Fountains, he told me they will not even build a Lightening unless it is sold with big bucks down and a contract like building a new house with payouts as they go. If you want a center console with outboards no problem. Or you can buy the new 300+ hp wave runner from Cigarette for 42 G. |
Originally Posted by 1Zoom
(Post 4859496)
you can buy the new 300+ hp wave runner from Cigarette for 42 G.
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Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 4859498)
ROF...there are some retards out there that will buy these things.
Why didn't Alex Ruiz just say........we are displaying what we finished! The coast guard could care less what is on display as long as it isn't in the water! Think about the electric Cig 38 TG, that was a boat that was built for display (by AMG) so did the Coast Guard come inspect that electric boat? The 42K price for a single ski is going to be basically 100K a pair on the trailer out the door. Sure hope they are reliable as Yamaha/SeaDoo offerings. This is giving me H/D Live Wire (electric Harley) vibes, significantly more expensive than the competition and not what the market wants. Nice pics, thank you for posting. |
Nice pics!
Thanks |
I thought the PWC was meant to be electric?
On the Cigarette front, I was looking on their Facebook and they have a new section “Up to Speed”(was released at start of February). I felt awkward just watching it 😳 |
Originally Posted by 1Zoom
(Post 4859487)
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I was last at the Miami show in '05. I don't remember seeing any outboard equipped boats then. I'm sure there might have been some somewhere but if so I certainly paid them no attention. My how times have changed.
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Originally Posted by Smarty
(Post 4859636)
Thank you for the post. I arrived in Miami last night and I am headed to the show this morning.
Did you get to the Venetian Marina part of the show? What did you think? |
Cigarette Jet Ski at MIBS
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4859530)
Here are some photo from the Miami show. Also the new Cigarette wave runner. It could not be displayed as a complete unit until it has been Coast guard approved per Alex Ruiz.
Why didn't Alex Ruiz just say........we are displaying what we finished! The coast guard could care less what is on display as long as it isn't in the water! Think about the electric Cig 38 TG, that was a boat that was built for display (by AMG) so did the Coast Guard come inspect that electric boat? The 42K price for a single ski is going to be basically 100K a pair on the trailer out the door. Sure hope they are reliable as Yamaha/SeaDoo offerings. This is giving me H/D Live Wire (electric Harley) vibes, significantly more expensive than the competition and not what the market wants. Nice pics, thank you for posting. I want to add some context in regards to the Cigarette jet ski on display. I was at the show yesterday and reviewed it in person, up close. I'm not sure what stories exactly Alex or anyone from Cigarette was telling people, but the facts on this jet ski do not match what everyone is discussing here. The jet ski on display in their booth was the hull/engine portion of a Bellasi Burrasca. You can see what their completed product looks like here... https://www.belassi.com They had attempted to cover up every Belassi logo on the ski with Cigarette vinyl stickers. They also duct-taped over the VIN number. It was clever, and they did a pretty good job, but if you know anything at all about jet skis; it was easy to see what you were looking at. Belassi jet skis are not USCG approved, and therefor cannot be imported into the US. They do not market to the US market. This is the reason why it was not a complete unit. Also, if it was a complete unit, it obviously wouldn't look anything at all like the "Cigarette designed" jet ski they kept showing in their advertising. That was probably the weirdest part, was that all of their advertising and even the TV playing directly in-front of the ski kept showing their Cigarette designed jet ski, which the hull, pump, exhaust, etc looked literally nothing like the jet ski that was right in front of your eyes. Cigarette had not done any "work" on this ski, beyond having it imported into the US. There really was no one to talk to or ask about this, as everyone in the booth was either just salesman or selling clothing at the time I was there, so I don't really know what the plan is with this project going forward. Are they just going to try to get the Belassi Burrasca approved for US sale and put Cigarette stickers all over it and sell them? Did they just buy a Belassi to reverse engineer it and see how a jet ski is made? Did they just want to display something for the show, but in reality the project has been shelved? Time will tell. It was definitely a bold move in my opinion to bring half, of another company's product, to the show and cover it in Cigarette stickers. Designing and manufacturing a PWC from the ground up is incredibly complicated. It is an enormous task, that few have ever successfully accomplished. Even major corporations like Honda and Polaris have found it to be so difficult they've given up and stopped trying after a few years of constant failure. To produce them, even in small quantities, is an even bigger task. There is a reason only 3 companies successfully make them, and even those 3 major corporations continue to have issues year-after-year, no matter how much they spend on R&D, manufacturing, hull design, etc. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...89579df231.jpg Belassi Burrasca on display https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...68fc73df0b.jpg Cigarette stickers shown on the reverse bucket, rear shroud, and the black duct-tape over the VIN plate. |
That defies belief. The least they could’ve done is made up a story that they were buying Belassi and then the deal falls over.
Originally Posted by MERCURYSONIC
(Post 4859868)
I want to add some context in regards to the Cigarette jet ski on display. I was at the show yesterday and reviewed it in person, up close. I'm not sure what stories exactly Alex or anyone from Cigarette was telling people, but the facts on this jet ski do not match what everyone is discussing here.
The jet ski on display in their booth was the hull/engine portion of a Bellasi Burrasca. You can see what their completed product looks like here... https://www.belassi.com They had attempted to cover up every Belassi logo on the ski with Cigarette vinyl stickers. They also duct-taped over the VIN number. It was clever, and they did a pretty good job, but if you know anything at all about jet skis; it was easy to see what you were looking at. Belassi jet skis are not USCG approved, and therefor cannot be imported into the US. They do not market to the US market. This is the reason why it was not a complete unit. Also, if it was a complete unit, it obviously wouldn't look anything at all like the "Cigarette designed" jet ski they kept showing in their advertising. That was probably the weirdest part, was that all of their advertising and even the TV playing directly in-front of the ski kept showing their Cigarette designed jet ski, which the hull, pump, exhaust, etc looked literally nothing like the jet ski that was right in front of your eyes. Cigarette had not done any "work" on this ski, beyond having it imported into the US. There really was no one to talk to or ask about this, as everyone in the booth was either just salesman or selling clothing at the time I was there, so I don't really know what the plan is with this project going forward. Are they just going to try to get the Belassi Burrasca approved for US sale and put Cigarette stickers all over it and sell them? Did they just buy a Belassi to reverse engineer it and see how a jet ski is made? Did they just want to display something for the show, but in reality the project has been shelved? Time will tell. It was definitely a bold move in my opinion to bring half, of another company's product, to the show and cover it in Cigarette stickers. Designing and manufacturing a PWC from the ground up is incredibly complicated. It is an enormous task, that few have ever successfully accomplished. Even major corporations like Honda and Polaris have found it to be so difficult they've given up and stopped trying after a few years of constant failure. To produce them, even in small quantities, is an even bigger task. There is a reason only 3 companies successfully make them, and even those 3 major corporations continue to have issues year-after-year, no matter how much they spend on R&D, manufacturing, hull design, etc. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...89579df231.jpg Belassi Burrasca on display https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...68fc73df0b.jpg Cigarette stickers shown on the reverse bucket, rear shroud, and the black duct-tape over the VIN plate. |
Simply shocked, I tell you.
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Wow, the post about them using another company's PWC is hilarious. I hope that goes viral.
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Originally Posted by PremierPOWER
(Post 4859898)
Wow, the post about them using another company's PWC is hilarious. I hope that goes viral.
Mercury Sonic sure knows his jet skis! Bringing a 1/2 model of an Italian jet ski to the show and adding CRT stickers is kind of like bringing a used/borrowed Doug Wright catamaran and putting CRT stickers on it? :D I can imagine the dealers excitement on having to stock/repair/warranty those fine Italian skis............parts will be fun too! I'm picturing engineering manuals in Italian, specialty tools etc. Followed by an irate client that blew 100K on a pair of skis on a trailer that don't run as promised. |
Mmmmmmmm Cig stickers on someone else's product. Never heard that before. :party-smiley-004:
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Just sad really. Is there any R&D left at Ciggy?
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4859899)
Mercury Sonic sure knows his jet skis!
Bringing a 1/2 model of an Italian jet ski to the show and adding CRT stickers is kind of like bringing a used/borrowed Doug Wright catamaran and putting CRT stickers on it? :D I can imagine the dealers excitement on having to stock/repair/warranty those fine Italian skis............parts will be fun too! I'm picturing engineering manuals in Italian, specialty tools etc. Followed by an irate client that blew 100K on a pair of skis on a trailer that don't run as promised. I agree, but weren't they at least 99% about to buy Doug Wright and merge it with Cig? |
Originally Posted by PremierPOWER
(Post 4859906)
I agree, but weren't they at least 99% about to buy Doug Wright and merge it with Cig?
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GatorOne's new 50' MTI-V is a work of art. So many little details you can miss if you're aren't really looking. typical one-off stuff that he always likes to have too.
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It is said that the new owners of Cigarette feel the need to deceive customers by creating stories. Sooner or later it is going to come back and bite them. Marketing is a big part of any successful business, with the net, informed people such as Mercurysonic and forums such as this, the word travels quickly. I would have thought after last years debacle with Doug Wright they would have learned. I heard Alex tell a gentleman that the engine and pump was completely engineered by them. He also told me they were taking refundable deposits for orders at the show, with a delivery date later this year. Seems like another Doug Wright deal.
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Pic from Belassi's website. Sure looks like their engine!
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Maybe they have some agreement, if not is that even legal?
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Originally Posted by Hoodoo 2.0
(Post 4859918)
Maybe they have some agreement, if not is that even legal?
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Who wants to shoot of an email to Belassi corporate to inquire about their new "partnership" with Cig USA?
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Originally Posted by Cash Bar
(Post 4859912)
GatorOne's new 50' MTI-V is a work of art. So many little details you can miss if you're aren't really looking. typical one-off stuff that he always likes to have too.
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Ugly graphics?
Were the graphics on the hulls really that ugly, or is it just that they don’t look good in the showroom?
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I'll make sure to let everyone know what I find out lol...
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:poopoo:
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oh snap
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New thread time?
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Wow that is nuts.
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I don't think I have enough money to even get into that show ;) Maybe when the wife eventually goes back to work as a public school teacher we'll step it up and get one of those 50' CC :D
Interesting deal on jet ski. Someone has to know. Dare I say, no way they just took a page out of China's book. |
Originally Posted by PremierPOWER
(Post 4859928)
I'll make sure to let everyone know what I find out lol...
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Originally Posted by Stuckonstupid
(Post 4859957)
I don’t understand anything about the law, except to try and not break it, but it has to make one wonder if this may be a bait scheme by cigarette? The owner of cigarette is a lawyer, owns a law firm, and has access to a legal team that wins super bowls. If Belassi is in fact in the dark on this, and pursues legal action and loses, could Ruiz potentially end up owning it through default?
when I looked at MSP a year or two ago I seem to remember them claiming like billions in potential bookings but 0 actual revenue. based on the prior comments about cigarette tripling revenue, now that revenue is up 50% (big miss on the estimate!) and yet looking like they’ve built only like 3 boats in the last year…kinda tracks! |
Originally Posted by PremierPOWER
(Post 4859928)
I'll make sure to let everyone know what I find out lol...
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How stupid to have half a jet ski there even if it was their complete design and build. Somewhat hope I’m wrong but these people sure seem like con artists that don’t have a f’n clue what they’re doing.
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The whole thing just makes you shake your head. Makes it seem like a lazy student who forgot their homework was due.
You would have thought a company with their resources, both financial and human could have at least done a mock up of their own design. Especially with the acquisition of Vectorworks. To me it also reflects badly on their listed business. If “they” do that here, what are they doing there? |
No specifics, but sounds like there may be some partnership.
https://www.jetdrift.com/cigarette-racing-e-jet-review/ “The ski also borrows some design elements from the famous Italian Belassi Burrasca. This is not a coincidence, as Cigarette Racing is designing the E-JET in collaboration with Alberto Mancini Yacht Design and Navigazione Generale Italiana (NGI).“ |
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