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the older ones do have the pod to my knowledge...I have not been in a DCB M37R or any other dcb for that matter... i have seen a few videos of you running your cats cash LOL. excellent running attitude! ..were the M37R's the first true tunnel or did they build a few 44's first??? can't remember, but a true deep tunnel is the best rough water style cat is it not?
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I'm glad this thread blew up in the past few days I was away!! Thanks for all the info and insight everyone! Very informative REAL LIFE information!!
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Originally Posted by LAriverratt
(Post 4869800)
the older ones do have the pod to my knowledge...I have not been in a DCB M37R or any other dcb for that matter... i have seen a few videos of you running your cats cash LOL. excellent running attitude! ..were the M37R's the first true tunnel or did they build a few 44's first??? can't remember, but a true deep tunnel is the best rough water style cat is it not?
And, thank you, we love it and have really enjoyed the entire build and ownership period. |
Originally Posted by Bullhead
(Post 4869430)
Do you have a pic of your new 42?
Joe |
Originally Posted by Skater30
(Post 4869199)
I pay less for insurance on my 36/700 inboard cat than you do for your 36/450 outboard cat Joe - declared value and liability limits are probably very comparable. You can't really compare insuring a 170mph inboard cat to a 135mph outboard cat. Insurance costs on mild powered (600-700hp) inboard cats that are similar speeds to the 450 outboard cats are going to be comparable - that is my experience at least. The insurance costs really skyrocket when you start going over 150mph (my 30 was almost uninsurable when it had 800 Sterlings in it and ran 150++). I agree that fuel, maintenance and repair costs are higher on even a light-powered inboard cat, so that better ride is definitely coming at a cost. However, you can buy a used inboard cat for a lot less than a used 400 or 450 outboard cat, so the $100k+ you save on the purchase will go a long way on paying for those higher costs. As for losing your boat to downtime, unless you own spare gearcases for the 400 or 450 rigs, you'll be down as much or more than you will with an inboard cat (assuming it has #6 drives). I can't name a guy with a 400 or 450 rig that hasn't broken multiple propshafts and/or gearcases. In the past 5-6 years (since the 400 and 450 outboard cats have exploded in popularity), there have been numerous more outboard cat accidents than inboard cat accidents (both pleasure and race), so which one is safer has already been proven.
I have 2 400Rs, and 5 450s. Never broke a prop shaft yet but I run pretty easy from what I am told. They have around 1400 hours combined. **Note**-none of my boats have fixed jackplates so I don't come on plane with the same X dimension that run with. Joe |
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Originally Posted by BBYSTWY
(Post 4869196)
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This would be the ultimate for me but that's a lot of boat and hardware to maintain and think it's a little too much to use as a regular everyday pleasure boat. |
Owned my 450 cat for just under 2 years. Sold it in March. Broke 1 lower at about 130 hours. Had spares in the truck so was only down an hour or two. Then stuck #7 piston and threw a rod on other engine at about 155 hours. Took Merc 3 months or so to get the new long block sent out on the engine and 7-8 months to replace the lower. Hearing the new lowers coming out soon are a big improvement. Still have 2 brand new lowers if anyone needs them, haha!
Forgot, The longblock was readily available. We also needed the intake and blower as well and those took some time to get. |
Yikes! :eekdrop:
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Originally Posted by JPEROG
(Post 4869963)
I have 2 400Rs, and 5 450s. Never broke a prop shaft yet but I run pretty easy from what I am told. They have around 1400 hours combined. **Note**-none of my boats have fixed jackplates so I don't come on plane with the same X dimension that run with.
Joe |
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Originally Posted by SecondWind
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Originally Posted by SecondWind
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Originally Posted by tbanzer
(Post 4870061)
Whats that run mid 80s with hp500s?
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the one I am rerigging with bigger power ran 107 with bravo's and 625 hp.
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Originally Posted by hogie roll
(Post 4870047)
You have Jack plates on 5x450s? I’d like to see that !
Joe |
IMO, the issue isn't the boat, there's a false sense of security that develops when running a cat because its so stable and so forgiving (to a point)...next thing you know youre running 3' seas with ease at over 100 mph. The more seat time, the more confidence, the more cockiness. it's just human nature and a friendly lil' kitty...until the cat bites back.
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Originally Posted by SecondWind
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Originally Posted by jusabum
(Post 4870119)
IMO, the issue isn't the boat, there's a false sense of security that develops when running a cat because its so stable and so forgiving (to a point)...next thing you know youre running 3' seas with ease at over 100 mph. The more seat time, the more confidence, the more cockiness. it's just human nature and a friendly lil' kitty...until the cat bites back.
Cig Gladiators had that stigma for a long time where it was "known" to barrel roll but it was boat set-up (drives/tab settings) to conditions and task ie turning |
Originally Posted by tbanzer
(Post 4870061)
Whats that run mid 80s with hp500s?
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Originally Posted by JPEROG
(Post 4870066)
One of the boats is pictured above 36', also run a 20' LCB with a 450 and a 32 DW with 450s. 400Rs are on my tri-toon. All boats have Porta brackets as will the 42 DW when its completed.
Joe |
Every vessel that goes very fast is dangerous. Like guns, it’s about the driver/user. I would confidently ride the fastest cat driven by people like Jimmy Lee, Johnny Tomlinson, Marc Granet, and countless others over a moderately fast boat driven by a checkbook captain. My first move after buying my Gladiator was the Tres Martin driving course. It’s gives you peace-of-mind knowing the risks, how to mitigate them, and how your boat acts and responds.
If you are serious about getting a cat or fast V and you are asking these kinds of questions, your life is worth the price of the Tres Martin course. Good luck. (Tres, I accept PayPal, Venmo, and Bitcoin.) :riding: |
Originally Posted by speicher lane
(Post 4870124)
Cig Gladiators had that stigma for a long time where it was "known" to barrel roll but it was boat set-up (drives/tab settings) to conditions and task ie turning
Trust the builders and designers. Get the training. Operate it to your comfort and experience level, and properly judge the conditions, you will never be the subject of an accident thread on this site. |
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