Perfectly written Brad!

Was trying to post similar last night but the site wouldn’t let me.

I was trying to find my white privilege card when I was 19 and living in an unheated garage here in Ohio one winter.
I remember it getting down to 9* at night.

Got fired from my job due to not hearing my alarm after spending the last 2 nights in my car.
Had too many blankets and sleeping bags on to hear it!

Funny, never thought to blame anyone but myself!

Ask the actor, Morgan Freeman what he thinks of opportunities to black folks here in the states!
Raised on a share croppers farm in Alabama!

He made a choice that he wasn’t satisfied w/that life and look what happened!

I have a nephew that I am proud to have been involved in getting him on his feet.

Although he is white, his surroundings and home life was the same as everyone else begging for govmnt hand outs.

His parents are both crackheads.

Mom is in jail and his dad wants nothing to do w/him.

None of his siblings have done any better.

When he became involved w/our niece (also from a ugly situation) he and I had a come meet Jesus meeting.

I told him of some of my challenges, bad decisions, struggles etc, while finding my way and you could see the light bulb come on!

Told him, every bad decision was mine and mine alone.
I never blamed anyone else.

Told him that I hated the saying that “people don’t change”.

He believed me when I told him that I knew if I didn’t make some lifestyle changes I would end up in jail or 6’ down!

Told him you don’t go apply for a job, you clean yourself up, go knock on a door and sell yourself.

He totally got it.

I almost cried when he told me how excited he was to have landed a job as a security officer at a Walmart!
Let that sink in a minute.

That was several yrs ago.

He has since, continued to advance, married our niece and has a 2 yr old baby girl!

He absolutely glows when we talk now.

Point being, he grew a set, made a decision, and changed his life!

Had fkg nothing to do w/his skin color!

Thx again Brad!

PS, my office sends me into the hood of Cols Ohio all the time and I absolutely hate it!

I feel like a recovering drug attic going into the devels den!

Seeing, meeting, dealing w/people that have absolutely no drive!
Just sucks the life out of me.

And then you see/hear the agenda of the left and it just infuriates you!

The local media is complicit.

Three black people shot by black people last night in Cols!
Averaging a shooting every night.

Again, black people shooting black people.

But when a white officer is involved w/apprehending a black thug, it’s all over the news for days!!

Last one was the armed, wanted thug, trying to get the officers gun!

Now they have a black truck driver who ran from the police for 20 mls before being pulled over, he had a record as well, he tried to run and one of the K9 officers turned his dog loose in him.

All the news has reported, non stop, for the wk since it happened is, “white K9 officer has his dog attack a black man”!
As in, non stop in the news.

He has now hired famous ambulance chaser, Ben Crump to attack the police dept!

They have already held protests (attended by ever woke, millennial aged white woman), released the home address of the cop, who has been fired!

Then after the station break the news reports Cols struggle w/the violence (guns fault) and lack of new police recruits!

Talk about hypocrisy…..

Was in my truck at a light in Cols yesterday and was watching these two thugs.
They we’re standing 10’ from my truck.

Poor picture but, the guy on the left has his hair done as Mickey Mouse and his buddy, holding his pants up, is wearing a black ski mask!

BTW, it was 94* in Cols yesterday!

What could possibly go wrong?

But you know if anyone says a word, they will be shouted at as a R A C I S…..


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Typical bull**** these days, each "side" digging in their heels unwilling to acknowledge the other side might have a point too. So predictable.

Topical Buzz,

The problem IS, in FACT, that the black community has not taken their bull by the horns and made themselves prosperous, but the Al Sharptons of the political sphere keep them thinking it's not their responsibility and obligation to do so. You're standing with them; those that riot instead of working on their own self-inflicted barriers to success. You're baldly asserting that we "Had this coming", as if we somehow contributed to their incentives to act like animals. So you, by your own admission, ARE, in FACT, part of the problem.

Understand that, when I say "you", I am directing the statement at a group of people, not at YOU, in specific. But, with the comments you've made, I'm certainly not excluding you, in specific, from the criticisms propelled. They absolutely apply.

Like Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman have repeatedly and truthfully stated, as soon as we stop making race the scapegoat to people's self-inflicted plights, the sooner those plights with evaporate. And, as so many of the black community's braver leaders have said, directed at their own; "Do better".

Thanks. Brad.

Indy,

Yeah.... I also dig in my heels when someone tries convincing me that 2+2=5. I am tired of being accused culpable for something that ended more than a hundred years before I was born, of for someone else's conscious choice to not advance themselves, despite being given the universe to do so. At some point, the truth HAS to prevail, and if it takes throwing an anchor and refusing to let the chain slip, so be it.

Thanks. Brad.

I always tell people "you live in the world you make". meaning your choices got you where you are and your choices can change where you end up. no hand out or free stuff or rehab or anything will help some one until they want to change where they are in life.

Fair question. First of all - what prompted my response was not the understandable disgust, anger and criticism levelled at the perpetrators of the incident. To be honest, once I saw that it wasn't really a "riot" or anything even close, I almost didn't even finish reading the thread. The two things that got my attention were the attempt to classify some idiots behaving stupidly as a "race riot" and the comments that went straight to the "animals! and kill them off" sentiments. So I reacted to the racial undertones of the general conversation from some and ended up reluctantly engaging with people like Brad Christy who reacted in turn to the admittedly inflammatory tone of my own reactionary response. So that's what happened. I was going to throw in my own reference to the pot-bellied, swastika and camo wearing critters who stormed the Capitol as a proper example of a animals throwing a riot, but I decided against that and I'll just keep that to myself, lol - just kidding around so put away the torches and pitchforks. :479:

The other thing is that the general issue of race relations that pollutes and saturates almost everything these days not an exclusively American topic and this is an international forum, so expect discussions and other points of view to happen on the odd occasion.

Bingo.

TropicalBuzz,

I wouldn't call the PIB incident a "race riot". It's just animals doing what animals do. It's prime example for why people feel the way they do. And, before you fling it out there, I'm not generalizing. I'm speaking directly to those who were there. It wasn't the black community, as a whole, who descended upon PIB and ruined an otherwise enjoyable environment (even for themselves). It was those who have elected themselves the representatives of the black community in the public eye.

FWIW, I now know what weekend to NOT make the run to PIB, and I'm sure I'm far from alone. And, if this sort of thing devolves into more of the same on other weekends, the PIB council will undoubtedly react, and will inevitably be labeled a racist. Which will only fuel more resentment toward those ACTUALLY culpable for racial tensions in the US. Typical reaction: Blame everyone other than those actually to blame, instead of fixing the problem by demanding better of their community.

And there was no riot at the capitol. This is purely Leftist hyperbole propaganda, curated for the gullible and those hungry for bias confirmation. Compare Jan6th to literally any day during the Summer of Love, and it doesn't even register on the Richter scale. Besides, any time I hear/read someone mention Jan6th, all I can think of is $1.84 for gas.

Thanks. Brad.

ROF...what a load of **** Thanks for proving my point.

Quite the opposite. Calling out the root of a problem is not "digging in". Capitulating is not helping. The end.

Brad, Slavery ended more than a hundred years before you were born but the systematic and officially sanctioned oppression of and discrimination against black American citizens continued long, long afterwards. While doors and opportunities were wide open for white families to build wealth and generations of solid family and support structures built on and emphasising education and rewards for good, honest work, black people of even the finest character and noble intent were systematically torn down and trampled on a massive social scale (NOT isolated individual cases like some of the triumphant - and commendable - success stories related here) no matter how hard they tried to do all the right things. Yes - some of you had it rough and overcame the challenges you faced and congratulations; but by far the vast majority of white people never faced having your best efforts kicked aside just because you visibly stood out as a member of a VISIBLE minority.

So - yes - none of this is YOUR FAULT and you're unable to relate to their perspective. I get that. You want to hear what I'm saying as excuses for doing nothing when that is not my message at all. My message is that there are historical and cultural factors that brought the entire situation to where it is today. Black people need to suck it up, straighten up and put the extra effort into overcoming life's challenges because the opportunities DO exist to do that in modern American society. White people who choose to be empathetic might feel a bit less angered and resentful of the inconvenient presence of of a growing, struggling and problem laden black population in their midst. They didn't all hop on boats and choose to come to america to f--k up the land of the free back then. They are as much a part of America as you are and the sooner both camps - yes, mostly them but others too - acknowledge that and turn a positive focus towards a fair and peaceful life for EVERYONE, then the problems will only get worse.

Lastly - I admit my original post was flippant and inflammatory, but it was directed at what I perceived as overtly racist commentary and the "race riot" thing, not ordinary folks like you and others righteously expressing anger and outrage at a group of people behaving like a--holes. I don't know what else to say, but I do enjoy debate and my perspective on history and its impact on the current dumpster fire of a social situation stands firm until I can be convinced otherwise. I guess we can only all go with what we know. Cheers :ernaehrung004:

That I'll agree on!!

Those "animals" elected themselves the representatives of the black community?? I thought they were just a bunch of unruly a--holes who happen to be black. So the big-bellied nazi-tattooed slobs who openly spout anti-semitic and white supremacy slogans at their public rallies can be accepted as elected representatives of the white community??? Where is all this stupidity and poorly thought out bull**** going to end?

As for there being no riot at the capitol on Jan 6th, I don't know what you were watching, but here goes a prime example of openly choosing political bias over truth and reality. I'm no lover of Joe Biden or the ridiculously extreme radical left elements in the Democratic party, BUTT - HERE'S SOME TRUTH FOR YOU - Trump friggin' lost. Him and the idiots in his "base" couldn't swallow it like men and tried to derail the process of a peaceful transfer of power. So much for all of the respect for the frigging constitution! Only when it's convenient or works for you - right? Once the discussion devolves into this blinders-on us-against-them bull--it, further debate becomes pointless.
What a bunch of utter :bsflag:

Me too!

Trump didn’t lose
Election wasn’t honest and accurate
Jan 6 wasn’t a riot or insurrection
People are responsible and accountable for their actions regardless of race gender social status or upbringing. No excuse for bad behavior.

​​​​​​Trump didn’t lose
Election wasn’t honest and accurate
Jan 6 wasn’t a riot or insurrection
SELF-DELUSIONAL NONSENSE

People are responsible and accountable for their actions regardless of race gender social status or upbringing. No excuse for bad behavior.
We agree on that.

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been going on for years. This from 2018.

While I do agree with the last paragraph of your post, you must wear a HUGE tinfoil hat if you truly believe the first three lines.

Tropical Buzz,

And yet, Literally millions of those supposedly systemically oppressed people have somehow become literally all levels of successful. It ain't that hard to comprehend, but some still cling to the delusion. There are literally ZERO pieces of legislation in place that are even minimally capable of preventing any individual from working to pursue their ambitions. Not. One. When you look at the Asian community (considerably more "oppressed" than the black community), overwhelmingly, they come to the US with nothing, not even the language, and, within ONE GENERATION, are financially independent. The primary difference is how they view their path to financial independence. The black community has been sold the lie that their plight is the Great White Buffalo's fault, when it's not, and the Asian community sees it as their own responsibility. There is about a universe between the conversations across the breakfast tables of these two communities. And therein lies the ENTIRE culpability for the plight of the black community. "My great-great-great-great grandpappy was held as a slave" has long, oft and deeply been debunked as a cause of individual languish. Period. The end.

There was no riot on the capitol on Jan6th. That's it. And there was no attempt at an insurrection. Show us a single weapon carried by anybody who showed up to have their voices be heard? We'll wait..... And, again.... If the Summer of love is Just "This is what democracy looks like", then so is Jan6th, only orders of magnitude less damaging to our communities and our democratic process.

Can you show us where ProudBoys (or the like) have incited even that first action of violence? Again.... We'll wait..... You can't. Because it's always the Left, who show up with bricks and bats, who incite the violence. Every. Single. Time.

Yes. They have elected themselves the representative of their community, because they do the same things in their own neighborhoods as they did in PIB, only worse. They are the ones who have burned their cities and then whined they had no place to live.

Here...Let me help you.... "I screwed up. I said something untrue and out of line. I apologize for attempting to place blame where it didn't belong in my effort to deflect and project from where it actually belongs. I'll do better". There. Is that so hard?

Thanks. Brad.

Yes, way to ruin a great weekend. As long as I can remember Summer Christmas was celebrated in July at the Bay. Boaters all getting together there, decorating their boats with Christmas lights and decorations and having a blast. Put in Bay eventually officially quit celebrating Christmas a few years ago due to this mess. So way to go, a group of people have managed to get a whole weekend canceled for everyone else.

Lol - you take two days to craft another reply and it's just a repetition of the same thing all over again. Comparing the life trajectory of Orientals or immigrants from any other race/culture, who VOLUNTARILY go to the US for the singular and sole purpose of crafting a better life, to an embedded racial minority originally dragged there for slave labor and then systematically oppressed and discriminated against as American citizens for several generations after abolition is just plain stupid - clutching at straws and established racial tropes in support of the point you want to make. Even the indentured and railroad labourers from the East predominantly used the indentureship as a means to work their way towards a goal of leaving the troubles of their homelands for a new frontier and new opportunities. I've already made my points and my position clear. You either can't grasp what I'm saying or you just want to keep spouting, so you keep pleasuring yourself and beating your drum that I'm trying to justify the behavior in PIB. Enjoy yourself - I hope you don't go blind, but I've lost interest in this - my point still stands and you will clearly keep on doing what you do. Yawn.

TropicalBuzz,

Sorry. I spent two days on a boat. I thought that's why we were all here..... YOU interjected yourself into a very legitimate complaint with a pile of garbage and keep beating the same long debunked dead horse. You've yet to make a valid argument in legitimate support of that flamethrower you opened up with, let alone your follow up to it.

No. Pointing out how individuals can make it, while others make excuses, is not stupid. There is a roadmap. It's colorblind. Follow it. It ain't hard.

Still stuck in the past, I guess. Nevermind the orders of magnitude better off ADOS have it today, vs what they'd be up against had their predecessors not been forced to make some significant sacrifices. I guess they could make it all worth it, and go back and try their luck in the Congo....? I mean, their ancestor's enslavers are STILL enslaving their African counterparts today.

No. Your point NEVER stood. Because you ABSOLUTELY justified the atrocious guttural behavior in PIB. What the Hell do you think phrases like "you had this coming" (paraphrasing) is supposed to mean? It isn't hard to grasp what you obviously meant.

I'm out.

Thanks. Brad.

Yep - go back to Africa - that's what people like you just can't wrap your heads around. Like they're all just a bunch of Africans who hopped on a boat and came came on over. They're as much American as you you are. Been there as long as any other group save the real Native Americans and have no home in Africa to "go back to" any more than you do. Yea - slavery, white slavery and other forms of slavery and human trafficking are still going on all over the world. I can't be bothered with all the other stuff you keep regurgitating over and over. Lol - Gotta love how people like you handpick and cling to little bits and pieces of knowledge here and there to self-affirm but either can't or are afraid to piece it all together in the hope of maybe seeing a bigger picture or at least a different perspective. Carry on. :rolleyes:

TropicalBuzz,

I didn't suggest anybody go back to anywhere. I acknowledged the obviousity of where the black Community of today would be had their ancestors not undergone the trials they did, of which nobody is attempting to diminish. And I'm not hand picking anything. The bigger picture is that the black community have been handed the keys to the universe and certain people keep conditioning them that they aren't capable of commanding those opportunities to their favor, and it sure as Hell ain't the white folk, aside for the rich white liberals who are making a killing off of the black community's languish. At your approval, apparently.

I know. I already said I'm out. And I am. I'm just not going to let someone put words in my mouth without straightening them out.

Back to the topic. As I said... I guess I know when NOT to go to PIB. I wouldn't want to get in the way of the generationally oppressed in their pursuit of atonement.

Thanks. Brad.

Quit wasting your time Brad. He’s gone.

Name all the Africans that are millionaires from sports, music or films back in Africa?

Now name the endless multi millionaire and billionaire African Americans that made their fortunes in sports or music and Hollywood ?

Quite a leg up for a few generations of suffering and any African American today has the same privilege as any white person if not more to acquire this same wealth or fame .

Argue that.

Words from the late Walter Williams.



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SO, NO Riot at the Capitol?? What would it be called then? A picnic??? Come on people- MFs stormed OUR Seat of power. The Capital of THE United States.
They didn't stand around peacefully and sing songs. They Broke INTO the building and ransacked it like a bunch of fuking thugs. Broke windows to gain entry, assaulted Po Po to gain entry. Yes, some just walked around like little kittens, but it is still called Trespassing.

Peacefull protests are OK. Trespassing - Not OK.
And for the Record I am Republican. And I was born in DC. Every one of them getting time deserve it.
And stole the election lol Fake News.
Time to move on and hope somebody New will run in the Republican party. Term Limits- Term Limits.

Flame On :cool-smiley-026:

Have you ever actually SEEN a riot....?

Conservatives rioted once. Liberals rioted all 2020. During liberal city riots, they entered and sometimes burned city hall, courthouses and police stations. Both sides riot? That is a false equivalency.

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This is a concept I have never really understood. How does one trespass on government owned property? Doesnt that mean we all own it?

Or an actual "insurection" .
Used to be called the Peoples House but under this Communist regime we the people are now subjects to be ruled, intiminated, locked up and government weaponized againts the oposing party.
and if anyone thinks this last election was a fair one you need to have your head examined.

What is really sad is that I saw some pictures of Detroit in 1920's and it showed all of the Black business owners all lined up along Livernois. It looked amazing, it's the Democrats that that are basically destroying the black community. It was a racist that started Planned Parenthood to kill off as many blacks as she could. That's why Democrats push abortion so hard. It's time to wise up to what is really going on. You have Soros funding these riots to destroy our country, talk about a terrorist.

Dan,

Yup. Typically, these sorts of events are armed events. And are actually violent.

Thanks. Brad.

ThisIsLivin,

This. Just so much this. The Democrat Plantation Party has been working feverishly to retain their slaves since Republicans stripped them of their ownership of them 160+ yrs ago. We even have LBJ famously proclaiming ownership of the black vote, via welfare programs. And they keep this oppression alive today, by calling literally anything Republicans do to actually HELP the black community as racist.

Thanks. Brad.

Interesting combination of truths, half-truths and outright desperately self-delusional BS being spoken here, lol! I suppose it makes for good, spirited debate and discussion and maybe some food for thought.

This is definitely one of the truths, lol:

And 2 wks later, the black trucker attacked by the police dog is still on Cols TV news everyday!

They always forget the part of the 20 mile chase and resisting arrest!

Wonder how long it would have been in the news if he was white?

40 yrs ago I told a white Cols cop I was thinking about joint the force.
He talked me out of it.

Said all the tests for promotions were aimed at supporting the blacks.
Said guys scoring lower than a passing grade for him were getting promoted due to being black!

They’re now doing the same for pilots and doctors!
Let that one sink in….


And now w/all of Cols’s police management being black, the crime rate is ten times worse!

Every ****tt hole city has black police chiefs and mayors!
Some get brownie points for being women.

Coincidence?

Cracked me up that they just banned menthol cigarettes and Vap’s due them targeting youths and blacks.
So their telling you you are no smarter than a kid and we will tell you what is safe!

Doh!

A judge awarded a 1.8 billion $ settlement to black NY teaching applicants who failed their tests.

No signs of racism but white and Asian applications had 85% passing grades while blacks only had 55%.
Must be racism?

Awarded one guy that failed the test repeatedly $1.8 million!

"Riot" - as defined by Webster. - A violent disturbance of the peace by a Crowd. Just saying

And Yes, the BLM fuks that burned **** should be prosecuted also. But those were in chit holes like Oregan where you can just part an RV or pitch a tent and do some Smack without consequences.

See ya on the Water.

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