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Originally Posted by Indy (Post 4874905)

ROF...what a load of **** Thanks for proving my point.

Quite the opposite. Calling out the root of a problem is not "digging in". Capitulating is not helping. The end.

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Originally Posted by Brad Christy (Post 4874892)

Topical Buzz,

The problem IS, in FACT, that the black community has not taken their bull by the horns and made themselves prosperous, but the Al Sharptons of the political sphere keep them thinking it's not their responsibility and obligation to do so. You're standing with them; those that riot instead of working on their own self-inflicted barriers to success. You're baldly asserting that we "Had this coming", as if we somehow contributed to their incentives to act like animals. So you, by your own admission, ARE, in FACT, part of the problem.

Understand that, when I say "you", I am directing the statement at a group of people, not at YOU, in specific. But, with the comments you've made, I'm certainly not excluding you, in specific, from the criticisms propelled. They absolutely apply.

Like Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman have repeatedly and truthfully stated, as soon as we stop making race the scapegoat to people's self-inflicted plights, the sooner those plights with evaporate. And, as so many of the black community's braver leaders have said, directed at their own; "Do better".

Thanks. Brad.

Brad, Slavery ended more than a hundred years before you were born but the systematic and officially sanctioned oppression of and discrimination against black American citizens continued long, long afterwards. While doors and opportunities were wide open for white families to build wealth and generations of solid family and support structures built on and emphasising education and rewards for good, honest work, black people of even the finest character and noble intent were systematically torn down and trampled on a massive social scale (NOT isolated individual cases like some of the triumphant - and commendable - success stories related here) no matter how hard they tried to do all the right things. Yes - some of you had it rough and overcame the challenges you faced and congratulations; but by far the vast majority of white people never faced having your best efforts kicked aside just because you visibly stood out as a member of a VISIBLE minority.

So - yes - none of this is YOUR FAULT and you're unable to relate to their perspective. I get that. You want to hear what I'm saying as excuses for doing nothing when that is not my message at all. My message is that there are historical and cultural factors that brought the entire situation to where it is today. Black people need to suck it up, straighten up and put the extra effort into overcoming life's challenges because the opportunities DO exist to do that in modern American society. White people who choose to be empathetic might feel a bit less angered and resentful of the inconvenient presence of of a growing, struggling and problem laden black population in their midst. They didn't all hop on boats and choose to come to america to f--k up the land of the free back then. They are as much a part of America as you are and the sooner both camps - yes, mostly them but others too - acknowledge that and turn a positive focus towards a fair and peaceful life for EVERYONE, then the problems will only get worse.

Lastly - I admit my original post was flippant and inflammatory, but it was directed at what I perceived as overtly racist commentary and the "race riot" thing, not ordinary folks like you and others righteously expressing anger and outrage at a group of people behaving like a--holes. I don't know what else to say, but I do enjoy debate and my perspective on history and its impact on the current dumpster fire of a social situation stands firm until I can be convinced otherwise. I guess we can only all go with what we know. Cheers :ernaehrung004:

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Originally Posted by Brad Christy (Post 4874906)

The end.

That I'll agree on!!

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Originally Posted by Brad Christy (Post 4874903)

TropicalBuzz,

I wouldn't call the PIB incident a "race riot". It's just animals doing what animals do. It's prime example for why people feel the way they do. And, before you fling it out there, I'm not generalizing. I'm speaking directly to those who were there. It wasn't the black community, as a whole, who descended upon PIB and ruined an otherwise enjoyable environment (even for themselves). It was those who have elected themselves the representatives of the black community in the public eye.

FWIW, I now know what weekend to NOT make the run to PIB, and I'm sure I'm far from alone. And, if this sort of thing devolves into more of the same on other weekends, the PIB council will undoubtedly react, and will inevitably be labeled a racist. Which will only fuel more resentment toward those ACTUALLY culpable for racial tensions in the US. Typical reaction: Blame everyone other than those actually to blame, instead of fixing the problem by demanding better of their community.

And there was no riot at the capitol. This is purely Leftist hyperbole propaganda, curated for the gullible and those hungry for bias confirmation. Compare Jan6th to literally any day during the Summer of Love, and it doesn't even register on the Richter scale. Besides, any time I hear/read someone mention Jan6th, all I can think of is $1.84 for gas.

Thanks. Brad.

Those "animals" elected themselves the representatives of the black community?? I thought they were just a bunch of unruly a--holes who happen to be black. So the big-bellied nazi-tattooed slobs who openly spout anti-semitic and white supremacy slogans at their public rallies can be accepted as elected representatives of the white community??? Where is all this stupidity and poorly thought out bull**** going to end?

As for there being no riot at the capitol on Jan 6th, I don't know what you were watching, but here goes a prime example of openly choosing political bias over truth and reality. I'm no lover of Joe Biden or the ridiculously extreme radical left elements in the Democratic party, BUTT - HERE'S SOME TRUTH FOR YOU - Trump friggin' lost. Him and the idiots in his "base" couldn't swallow it like men and tried to derail the process of a peaceful transfer of power. So much for all of the respect for the frigging constitution! Only when it's convenient or works for you - right? Once the discussion devolves into this blinders-on us-against-them bull--it, further debate becomes pointless.
What a bunch of utter :bsflag:

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Originally Posted by Indy (Post 4874909)

That I'll agree on!!

Me too!

Trump didn’t lose
Election wasn’t honest and accurate
Jan 6 wasn’t a riot or insurrection
People are responsible and accountable for their actions regardless of race gender social status or upbringing. No excuse for bad behavior.

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Originally Posted by liberator221 (Post 4874913)

Trump didn’t lose
Election wasn’t honest and accurate
Jan 6 wasn’t a riot or insurrection
SELF-DELUSIONAL NONSENSE

People are responsible and accountable for their actions regardless of race gender social status or upbringing. No excuse for bad behavior.
We agree on that.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/cr...d/95-577514730
been going on for years. This from 2018.

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Originally Posted by liberator221 (Post 4874913)

While I do agree with the last paragraph of your post, you must wear a HUGE tinfoil hat if you truly believe the first three lines.

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Originally Posted by Tropical Buzz (Post 4874908)

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Originally Posted by Tropical Buzz (Post 4874910)

Tropical Buzz,

And yet, Literally millions of those supposedly systemically oppressed people have somehow become literally all levels of successful. It ain't that hard to comprehend, but some still cling to the delusion. There are literally ZERO pieces of legislation in place that are even minimally capable of preventing any individual from working to pursue their ambitions. Not. One. When you look at the Asian community (considerably more "oppressed" than the black community), overwhelmingly, they come to the US with nothing, not even the language, and, within ONE GENERATION, are financially independent. The primary difference is how they view their path to financial independence. The black community has been sold the lie that their plight is the Great White Buffalo's fault, when it's not, and the Asian community sees it as their own responsibility. There is about a universe between the conversations across the breakfast tables of these two communities. And therein lies the ENTIRE culpability for the plight of the black community. "My great-great-great-great grandpappy was held as a slave" has long, oft and deeply been debunked as a cause of individual languish. Period. The end.

There was no riot on the capitol on Jan6th. That's it. And there was no attempt at an insurrection. Show us a single weapon carried by anybody who showed up to have their voices be heard? We'll wait..... And, again.... If the Summer of love is Just "This is what democracy looks like", then so is Jan6th, only orders of magnitude less damaging to our communities and our democratic process.

Can you show us where ProudBoys (or the like) have incited even that first action of violence? Again.... We'll wait..... You can't. Because it's always the Left, who show up with bricks and bats, who incite the violence. Every. Single. Time.

Yes. They have elected themselves the representative of their community, because they do the same things in their own neighborhoods as they did in PIB, only worse. They are the ones who have burned their cities and then whined they had no place to live.

Here...Let me help you.... "I screwed up. I said something untrue and out of line. I apologize for attempting to place blame where it didn't belong in my effort to deflect and project from where it actually belongs. I'll do better". There. Is that so hard?

Thanks. Brad.