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Old 06-24-2025 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 36Tango
If yours was horrific, it was better than mine! Amazing how much money is on the water and they cannot get it together. The real cost of ****ty coverage is that any potential sponsors see boat racing as a joke with no chance of any ROI. It surprises me that Monster has become such a big sponsor.
due to the infighting Monster pulled their sponsorship from this event, as was explained to me.
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Old 06-24-2025 | 01:57 PM
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I was hoping to watch.
Even afterwards, couldn't really fwd through.

Sad news about Monster.
Hope for improvement!!
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Old 06-24-2025 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HuskerPerformance
Let’s recap, Did you watch the broadcast? If you did I guess you approved with the remaining 8 of us say it was poor. I hope Xinsurance folks are reading this. It’s called Quality Assurance and a way to IMPROVE! This isn’t Rocket science and the sport back in the days of the OPT and even with SBI was done at a level which makes this production look amateurish. Constant camera shots from the helicopter that were blocked due to cameraman error. Constant camera shot of the pilots thighs, WTF! If they want to show leg give me a hot hooters girl in the copilots seat. First time ever for me I turned the channel.
Didn't watch at all, I live at LOTO so....

Lets RECAP.... Obviously coverage isnt a money maker for the promoters so they go with what is available.

I'm wondering how many would be willing to have a "pay per view" type of event? How much would you be willing to pay and how many would actually pay to see if it is viable economically? It comes down to cost vs return?

I agree completely that coverage would be nice, quality coverage would be even better, but it costs money....

Bottom line: Would you be willing to pay, and if so, how much? Then lets talk what you would like/expect and go from there.....
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Old 06-24-2025 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bajaholic
Didn't watch at all, I live at LOTO so....

Lets RECAP.... Obviously coverage isnt a money maker for the promoters so they go with what is available.

I'm wondering how many would be willing to have a "pay per view" type of event? How much would you be willing to pay and how many would actually pay to see if it is viable economically? It comes down to cost vs return?

I agree completely that coverage would be nice, quality coverage would be even better, but it costs money....

Bottom line: Would you be willing to pay, and if so, how much? Then lets talk what you would like/expect and go from there.....
You're touching on a great point. Does the sport have enough viewer appeal—hence advertising appeal—to sustain coverage beyond livestream, which to be kind struggled this time around, I don't have answer.

What I have heard, mostly from optimists, are things like, "Hell, if people will watch drone racing they will watch offshore racing."

But that statement and others like it are built on two fundamentally flawed assumptions:

1. People watch shows like drone racing the professional corn hole tour (yeah, it's a thing, brilliantly sponsored by Johnsonville (the encased meat giant that definitely knows its core audience) out of desperation—as if there's nothing else to watch. Incorrect by a lot. Which leads me to the second flawed assumption.

2. Streaming services such as Netflix and its supporters haven't done their market research. Even more incorrect. Netflix isn't thriving because it makes poor programming decisions.


Pay-per-view is another tricky animal, I am told, but one I know nothing about. Nothing to offer.

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Old 06-24-2025 | 07:40 PM
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Motorcycle racing went through all this in the past, I’m sure other motorsports as well. MotoAmerica did a great job with it and seem successful, but it was also a rough start and took a few years to get there.

Offshore boat racing is hard to follow in person and difficult/expensive to film from what I’ve seen. They also capture almost zero spectator money compared to other sports.

Scrapyard media’s Super Cat series should have been continued & expanded, it was great film making and storytelling.

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Old 06-24-2025 | 07:58 PM
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We went to the race Saturday in person and the viewing in person was pretty bad tbh to me. I actually was watching the live stream from my phone in my boat, but it wasn’t great either. But I also don’t have the answer. We actually only stayed about 1.5 hours before we had enough and left on Saturday and didn’t return Sunday.
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Old 06-24-2025 | 08:53 PM
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First off the RWO announcer sucks terribly. He is the worst of all the boat racing entities. Second they need to quit with the multiple heats. They don’t have a boat count to have seven or eight races most people that don’t follow the sport like we do, don’t know who’s who they just wanna see boat race you are not going to gain interest by having two or three boats out there at a time running around the circle. back when there was only three races in Key West and unlimited was the last everybody lost interest because all the unlimited boats would break and there was no competition if they want people to pay money and have sponsors they need to have multiple classes out there at once because the general public that is anchoring out to watch has no idea what boat is and what class they just think it’s a bunch of boats racing!the last time I raced was 2007. 127 boats in ke and 14 in p4 alone. All done in 3 races. That’s a better show than this dragging it out all dst imo. Also it’s a dead flat no wake zone. It’s not like watching cocoa beach or KW. Etc. I appreciate what everyone does and love the sport but i don’t think this format is it.

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Old 06-24-2025 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by flat rate
First off the RWO announcer sucks terribly. He is the worst of all the boat racing entities. Second they need to quit with the multiple heats. They don’t have a boat count to have seven or eight races most people that don’t follow the sport like we do, don’t know who’s who they just wanna see boat race you are not going to gain interest by having two or three boats out there at a time running around the circle. back when there was only three races in Key West and unlimited was the last everybody lost interest because all the unlimited boats would break and there was no competition if they want people to pay money and have sponsors they need to have multiple classes out there at once because the general public that is anchoring out to watch has no idea what boat is and what class they just think it’s a bunch of boats racing!the last time I raced was 2007. 127 boats in ke and 14 in p4 alone. All done in 3 races. That’s a better show than this dragging it out all dst imo. Also it’s a dead flat no wake zone. It’s not like watching cocoa beach or KW. Etc. I appreciate what everyone does and love the sport but i don’t think this format is it.
Nothing to do with the race course with this comment, but I can tell you that getting to the race was certainly not a no wake. It was extremely rough LOL. I talked to some guys at PBC and they called it unboatable. Idk who else on here made the trek, but typically I’d avoid those kind of waters.
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Old 06-25-2025 | 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bajaholic
Didn't watch at all, I live at LOTO so....

Lets RECAP.... Obviously coverage isnt a money maker for the promoters so they go with what is available.

I'm wondering how many would be willing to have a "pay per view" type of event? How much would you be willing to pay and how many would actually pay to see if it is viable economically? It comes down to cost vs return?

I agree completely that coverage would be nice, quality coverage would be even better, but it costs money....

Bottom line: Would you be willing to pay, and if so, how much? Then lets talk what you would like/expect and go from there.....
Pay Per View? Really? LOL The answer is looking back to what attracted fans in the past. It all starts with the video capture. I can deal with dopey announcers as long as the video gives me the action. For Xinsurance, as I mentioned earlier, recruit an icon of offshore video Jeff Gerardi Freezeframe video as a consultant, if he still is alive and able. His videos to date, bar none, were indeed the best. Yea, at times his commentators were not the best, but he knew how to capture and get THE shot! Imagine this, Jeff pioneered on board cameras a decade before GoPros were around. He would hardwire rig the cameras painstakingly to our boat and de rig when we were finished. Only caveat was if we crashed we had to pay $600 for the setup.

Get the video capture under control then concentrate on the commentators. Back in the day, one, if not the best commentators, was Rich Luhrs. Besides being comfortable in front of the camera, he knew race boats, engines, equipment, history, development. In short he knew the sport. Often in the chopper he would include another expert who either was a racer, engine builder or race boat rigger which added more expert information to the viewers. Stan Lane and Jim Hendricks for Superboat International, although goofballs at times, were not experts but could hold their own and keep the flow of the race story interesting. Recently, Bob Teague commentates on shootouts. I look forward to hearing Bobs opinion on each run as a trusted and proven expert.

Being an ole fart who has been involved in this sport from the mid 1970s, Its great seeing relatively new sponsorships get into OUR sport and I wish them the very best. I hope they heed recommendations because the garbage I saw this weekend is hurting OUR sport.

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Old 06-25-2025 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Twodocs
Motorcycle racing went through all this in the past, I’m sure other motorsports as well. MotoAmerica did a great job with it and seem successful, but it was also a rough start and took a few years to get there.

Offshore boat racing is hard to follow in person and difficult/expensive to film from what I’ve seen. They also capture almost zero spectator money compared to other sports.

Scrapyard media’s Super Cat series should have been continued & expanded, it was great film making and storytelling.
I certainly wouldn't argue with you. In my highly biased opinion, it was the best series to come out of offshore racing to date. But as the co-producer, I can tell you it cost more than $100,000 to produce. Not bad for four 30-minute episodes, but still significant based on where the sport is now.

Now, imagine Netflix or some other streaming service with a production company comes in and produces a series. How much do you think that will cost? Is there enough legitimate viewership to attract the kind of big-dollar investment needed? It's a tall order, for sure.
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