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Instead of a control surface at the rear of the tunnel, or maybe in addition to it, how about a large vent at the top of the hull's tunnel controlled hydraulically by accelerometers, ground radar. and pressure sensors?

after thinking a bit aeroplanes do have control surfaces but still crash most often due to pilot error maybe we should teach do not let yourself get into this situation where trouble is likely (strong headwind) one of airplane terms is coffin corner know your and the boats limits and stay within them!

and ironically it's the same people flapping....

How about instead of all this crazyness they just build a heavier cat with a narrower tunnel and less compression and emphasis on safety rather than top speed?
Again, not a single Nor-tech 3600 has ever blown over and it has none of these crazy equipment/sensors.
It`s not that hard when you put safety before speed.

I think a 4-6’ “wheelie bar” behind the boat with shovel pointed down and angled forward could save a lot of blow overs. Boat rears up and at 10-20* angle it hits the water and slows the boat. Not sure how to make it not ugly.

Hook and roll, you’re on you’re own there.

I have not made a comment in this thread regarding the accident, the facts surrounding the accident nor what has been posted in this thread or in the news; however, if members of OSO would like to discuss what could be done to prevent future similar accidents that result in injury or death to the driver or passengers in a performance boat then it is absolutely good to talk about it in this thread and on this platform.

The “keyboard warriors” as you have labeled them have had some very interesting points and bought information that I was unaware of in this thread, such as multiple accidents in the same make and model boat.

I would rather learn and be alive, rather than being uninformed and unfortunately putting me and or my passengers at risk.

I’ve been on this site for over 25 years and I like learning, as do the other people on OSO.

And…I’ve learned from you,in some posts, that you made throughout the years, so keep posting and educating the OSO members when you can.

One factor is the speed. 140mph is almost double the velocity of many small aircraft require for lift off.

Add an unexpected gust of wind, you could be in the air before you even realize.

The F-14 had about 25% lift from the wide fuselage structure.

You can make whatever you want, you have to be able to sell it. People want good looking boats that go fast.

This week during a run the new 4000 hit a cruiser wake and stood up so straight others could see the floor inside the boat. Didn`t blow over.
IMOP It`s a good looking boat that still goes 140+ SAFELY. I think the 3600 and 4000 speedster are both good-looking boat that go fast . I make under 1100hp.

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Making a narrower tunnel with less compression isn`t going to make a cat look bad. but if speed is your thing then a 390X is for you . Good luck with that.

Love the look of that new quad Nortech!

Also, I believe the Doug Wright 39 has the exact same size tunnel width as the 390x. The 390x hasn’t posted speeds near what the DW39 and others are running.

I hate to say it but I love my Bayliner, 1989 2755 pulled the skanky ford and cobra drive, put my tall deck 496 aluminum heads roller cam Holley commander 950 Efi, Volvo penta dp with 1.78 gears. sure not the best made boats but use it for boat camping and touring lakes and ocean, handles great has good inside space for size, not a formula but they are ok

Just having fun after sydwaz refered to Bayliners being the pinto of boats, seen a couple super fast v8 pintos LOL

Sad to hear. Prayers for the families. Wish a full recovery to the survivor.


Love the look of the Nortech cats. Especially the 3600. Liked them since they first came out. To me it has a very aggressive, fast, pissed off look to it sitting still.

Nor-Tech cats look great.

While I am not a fan of humps I think the hump on a Nor-Tech looks much better than the hump on an MTI.

everyone remember the freedom one cat that made a run into a strong head wind?

True. I’m always fully trimmed in at WOT.

I think this was about wings popping out or something, though.

390's ride slightly less than neutral --- Bow high. No doubt about it they are a drivers boat.

DW's, at least the 360s, are ran negative.

that **** show had nothing to do with wind !

I was there and it was windy as hell that day... there may be other reasons but that sure didn't help. :rolleyes:

ZERO Testing !!!for one. Myric won’t get back in dirty duck 438 at 215 ! Freedom has a death wish and that fact they don’t know how lucky they are is ridiculous!

Well...I wasn't going to say it, there is that, and it sure looked like some V hull trim thrown in to the mix but no expert here lol

Would like to add the shootout at DS has been called off (or postponed until a wind free run could be made) for a lot less wind the times I have been there.

Good news;

I spoke to Kirby today and he is on the road to recovery. Still very sore (broken ribs, sternum, and re-built hip that was shattered). There will be a ton of physical therapy and rebuilding but he seemed to be in good spirits and is very thankful for the girl and her crew that gave him CPR and pulled him from the water. If we can learn anything from this it is to wear a jacket in their honor.

Joe

Thanks for sharing. I cannot imagine what he is going through both physically and mentally.

Great to hear the good news Joe, I hope he makes a fast and full recovery. My life jackets rules changed after Stefan's accident when we lost Nancy (neither of them was wearing life jackets), and I hope others do as well after this tragic accident where 3 lives were taken too early and 1 life will be changed forever.

Thank you for that, Dale.

Lifelines save lives. Including, most likely, mine.

Thank you for the update and the words of wisdom.

Thank you Joe for the update on Neal. Great news!

I'd be interested in hearing that story ..

Derailed still?

Yeah a car car can read an unmoving/changing road 10’ ahead of it.
Yay.

At WFO in a boat we are reading/processing moving/changing water 50 to a 100 yds in front of us @ a buck plus????

Sorry but the best technology for that is still between our ears.

Process what we see, set the boat up for it and when we get there it’s changed.

I knew that you’re a jack of all trades, but did not know that you are a expert in image recognition, too.

It would be helpful if you could share with us a perspective of the current state of the art.

I am sure it's possible, we have or could come up with the technology to do it. Heck we can land a tube dropping from space unto a barge bouncing around in the ocean.

The cost of development and ROI is what the issue is.

I think DD was running negative trim and the bow lifted after they let off and lost the downforce!

whats going to happen when everyone starts using the motec 750 kits.........

FAA will require a pilot's license for a 390X .
All around more casualties and much higher insurance rates would be my guess.

I`ve already solved the problem.
Some REDBULL and go

EPIC!!! :evilb:

I am not going to call myself an expert but I have raced outboard cats in offshore, I have owned 15+ outboard cats ranging from 19ft to 42ft, and I currently have 6 of them. That being said, I have the MoTec and Kong add-ons on my 36 Wright Performance. The boat will run 140 at will and the acceleration is absolutely impressive for an outboard. The best comparison I can offer is like driving a 24 Skater with 280s but on steroids- "if you don't have your s*** together, it will bite you". I see all of the liquid courage that is consumed on the fun runs, poker runs, and at various spots on the lake. At this point, it is totally our opportunity to ruin. I truly pray that guys use their heads and wear lifelines in these lightweight boats that are going to be capable of 150 to 160 mph-believe me, (we are there with built up internals and increased RPM capability). This a double edged knife and it is night and day compared to stock 500s so please use your head and have a plan before you attempt to just lay the sticks on the dash. All of this stuff is only fun if you can continue to do it again.

Joe

I wonder how that setup would feel propped down to go about 120. It would still be a lot to handle though. But the acceleration would be something.