Cigarette Planning To Unveil New Model In Miami
 

But what is it going to be? https://speedonthewater.com/cigarett...odel-in-miami/

An OB catamaran or a PWC come to mind….if not that, a surf boat or 3 log pontoon, that seems to be what sells;)

Over/under on the number of "Cigarette" logos on the boat: 20

I'll take the over.lol

Hate to spoil the drama, but it's an outboard cat. With everyone in the powerboat world knowing everybody else in the powerboat world through social media, texting, etc.... you can't keep this stuff a surprise anymore lol

Did they slap a sticker on someone's else's again or come up with their own?

dont forget about the yacht

I'm going to take the over too.

Did they give back the deposits for the pwc ?

Another generic 5 or 6+ outboard CC? Who could have seen that coming! How far the brand has fallen, hopefully this one will at least be competitive with others on the market

this is a rough crowd !!

Overs. Definitely the overs.

I’m not a prospect to buy a new Cigarette; however, I’ve loved this brand my whole life and I still do and I always will!

I was told they cut the deck off of this abomination, trimmed it down, grafted it onto the two unfinished Cigarette PWC prototype hulls; and BAM: the new Cigarette Mini-Catamaran.
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Definitely been some missteps under the new ownership
yikes. I’m not thrilled about another outboard cat in an already saturated market. But I guess if the dollars pencil out from cad drawings to R&D to build, and they can recoop their money and sell a few boats to people that would otherwise buy an MTI or DCB or skater then I guess it’s worth it for them. We’ll see. Whole market has shifted like everything does but like I said, not to thrilled about another outboard cat to the market.

id actually be excited about something different. Lead the pack, not follow. Since outboards are all the rave, How about a 30-35 performance vee with outboards? Something different. Stick to their roots.

I always loved Ciggy's too, but the new ownership took some of the shine off the brand IMO.

once they FINALLY get it through their heads they’re going to have to repaint that atrocity of a cafe racer to match the beautiful interior, new power and drives, it’ll sell. I’m thinking classic white with a red and maybe grey stripe at the water line. Timeless. Clean.

I don't know man, I'd much rather see that crazy painted Cig on the water ANY day than another copycat vanilla outboard cat!! :evilb:

Every month or so it blows my mind to see another new manufacturer enter the 30' and up outboard cat market. There can't possibly be enough buyers to profitably sustain them all. There must be 30+ different manufacturers building 30' and up outboard cats now, we'll see how many are still around 10 years from now.:food-smiley-007:

Yet the prices are still insane!
supply/demand doesnt seem to be working.

I’m glad I can say I own one before new ownership took over. Like someone said earlier in this post some of the luster is gone since the new ownership bought in.

It reminds me of the Jetboat craze of the 90’s almost every builder out there cooked up a jetboat design.

Cc imo are the yuppie boats
after a while they all look izod

Bring back the styles that set the pace
That goes for all
Formula, cigarette, scarab
But I am old and miss the 80s and 90s
Of go fast, sleek long noses
rumble out back

I find it hard to believe all the OB cats as well, and the prices even for used ones. Add in insurance costs and they are over the top.

Yet OB performance V's just do not seem to sell either, outer limits tried it in the 29 and a 37 I think. Was one of the bigger ones and maybe 2 of the 29's.

DONZI showed drawings of one but never built it. No one seems to want to build them.

I feel there is a stigma around outboards that no one knows how to work on them. When i talk to people about boats, around here in Chicago anyway, you mention outboards and its all kind of the same story...they grew up on boats and their parents had a small boat with maybe a 15hp outboard on it, but when it broke there was no one to fix it. On the other hand with an Inboard it basically a car engine so any yahoo that knows some basics of any car engine can work on it. Funny thing is all the same exact principles apply to outboards. I think they got a bad rap when they were two strokes and have never really been able to shake that off...

That and there's just something visceral about an open exhaust on an inboard engine that you just dont get with the outboards....dont get me wrong they have their own "sound" to them which i can appreciate...but still doesn't put a tingle in the berries like a nice healthy Big Block engine will :D

I get it, grew up in N Indiana.

Down here, NO ONE will work on a I/O, very few if any shops will touch them anymore. It is wild how it has flipped.

Concept, Amp and STR are introducing 40ft Cats. Now Cigarette?

Found It.
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Just not cats but numerous boat manufacturers in general. Went to a RV show last weekend, same story with 100s of manufacturers

At this point with the outboard cats, there are so many models at such high prices. If they sell a couple a year, I think they're still making good money with those big margins.

My question is why no one has entered the market on the budget side of things to undercut competitors. The only one I can think of is the Trick 23, but that boat is too small for many. Hellkats looks to have been value oriented, but prices seem to have gone up quite a bit under their new ownership. I get that fixed costs are high, but there's gotta be some room in the market between a $350k PP 280 and a $135k Trick 23.

its just like everything that has shot up in price from automobiles to a decent hotel . people keep paying it so it keep going up.

reminds me of Key West Worlds. It's always been pricey but became OUT OF CONTROL during covid. When Covid was over, people kept coming and kept paying ridiculous prices, so the prices stay stupid.

So did this actually happen? What did we miss if so?

The introduced a revamp of the 42 Huntress. Not sure what happened to the new model release "plans," but nothing new was revealed.

lol add this to the list along with the PWC and cat

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Considering the cost to build a boat and keep the lights on, the prices are NOT insane.

For roughly $1.5M–$2.5M, you’re typically getting:

• A fiberglass hull pulled from an existing mold (the biggest R&D cost was paid off years ago).
  
• Hand-laid composite construction — skilled labor, yes, but largely unchanged manufacturing methods since the 1990s.
  
• Off-the-shelf propulsion:
  • Mercury Racing outboards or sterndrives
    
  • ECU, controls, and driveline supplied by Mercury
    
• Limited original engineering — most builders are integrators, not developers.
  
• Minimal crash, durability, emissions, or regulatory testing compared to automotive.
  
• Tiny supplier ecosystem — many parts are marine-adapted versions of existing tech.
  
• Interiors that are custom-trimmed but mechanically simple.
  
• Essentially: a semi-custom assembly of existing components around a legacy hull design.
  

Once the mold exists, every additional hull is just material + labor + margin.




For the same money in the automotive world, you’re buying something fundamentally different:

• Clean-sheet engineering programs costing hundreds of millions.
  
• Fully developed bespoke powertrains (Koenigsegg builds its own engines; Rimac builds its own battery and motor systems).
  
• Carbon fiber monocoques produced with aerospace-level tolerances.
  
• Robotics, autoclaves, CFD validation, crash simulation, and physical testing.
  
• Vehicles engineered to survive:
  • Global homologation
    
  • Crash standards
    
  • Emissions laws
    
  • NVH targets
    
  • Thermal durability cycles
    
• Millions of dollars spent on software, controls, aerodynamics, and validation.
  
• Components designed from scratch — not selected from a catalog.
  

A hypercar company is fundamentally an engineering firm that also happens to sell cars.

Hypercar manufacturers spend their money designing things that have never existed before.
Boat manufacturers mostly spend their money building things we already know how to make.

For 2 million I can get a bunch of fiberglass bathtub , some electronics and hang 5 bolt on engines in the back.
For the same price I can get a pretty bad ass hypercar.

You`ll never convince me a Boats is hard or expensive to build.

How about the trend away from fiberglass and more towards carbon/Kevlar? Or the trend away from cheap wood and towards more expensive composite material? Or the price of an outboard motor today vs 10 years ago? Have you seen the price on a qc4v package? How about the quality of interiors vs 10 years ago? How about the quality of sound systems vs. 10 years ago?