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ouch! goody76: are you refering to htm?
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maybe, not to put other builders down but these guys post alot of negative reviews about builders and don't look at the track record.
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WTC,
I am in sales and I am very good with people. As soon as I said I was from Ny state he started in on me. I believe there was more to it than I knew. I know that he and my dealer were having problems because he made that very clear, but you know what there was no exuse for his actions towards me. |
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Upper NY State, I assume.
Originally Posted by Tom McCann
WTC,
I am in sales and I am very good with people. As soon as I said I was from Ny state he started in on me. I believe there was more to it than I knew. I know that he and my dealer were having problems because he made that very clear, but you know what there was no exuse for his actions towards me. |
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Originally Posted by Tom McCann
I can finish this. I sold my brand new profile. I can speak from experience. I bought a brand new profile in 1996. I used it for one season and it needed alot of work. I dont want to slam profile becauses he is just a guy who likes boats and is trying to make a living, but I can not excuse the behavior of Randy Shultz when I personaly spoke to him on the phone about the problems with my boat. When I told him about the problems with the boat he statred to use profane language towards me and blamed me and everyone on the east cost that owns a profile that it was our fault with the problems. He also gave me details about the relationship between him and my dealer that I needed not to hear. In short he would not back his boat and I had to have my dealer arrange to fix the boat locally. Pretty good for a boat I bought brand new with a 5 year hull warranty. I should of just bought a used boat and took a chance. I was not the only one with problems with profile. There were 6 other people in my area that bought them and all of them had hull problems. Sorry to seem so digruntled about the situation but you know what, I am a very fare person and easy to get along with if that phone call I made to Randy went differantly I would not be so negative towards profile.
Tom, please contact me about your experience. [email protected]. We share a common experience, and I intend to stop it from happening to someone else. 270-554-0720 |
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I have ridden in two Profiles. A 28 cat with a 875 and a 29 with a 525. Both nice boats. I also love to go tubbin behind my buddies bayliner. So I cant say anything bad about either company.
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take a good look at the lines on deck/strakes ect ect are there any stright ones? wtc .that cat is an old red line mold that randy got about 12 yrs ago. my 27 fell apart and the repair was even worse. enough said
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I thought the cat hull was redone in 2000 or 2002?(I can't remember). There were a couple in our area and they looked like a nice boat. They definitely performed very well.
I have heard some things about the quality in the 90s. Obviously there are better quality boats out there but they seem to be a good bang for the buck. I think Caincando1 toured the plant and was very impressed with the facility and the boats. |
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Why bring back a three year-old thread??? :(
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I would guess that something triggered it. I have no love lost to seeing it.
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Keep in mind that Randy is no longer the owner of the company - he sold it.
What he did when he was the owner should not reflect on the current ownership and company or on the current product. |
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Originally Posted by MK
Keep in mind that Randy is no longer the owner of the company - he sold it.
What he did when he was the owner should not reflect on the current ownership and company or on the current product. Not so sure, I know that assertion has been made, but registered agent of the company has not changed, and two weeks ago (jan 18) he and Debbie signed legal documents under the name TNT Holdings/Profile Boats, and a phone call from an undisclosed person to the factory spoke with Randy and Debbie (after hearing that I did a little homework). The address has not changed, the phone numbers have not changed, and the address is also that of XXXX XXXX. If they sold it, they are still running it.... [I]clarification - it was brought to my attention there MAY be more than one "Profile Custom Power Boats" in existance, I have seen NOTHING of evidence to support this, but there MAY be. If so, I know nothing of the OTHER compnay using the same name, who may be getting upset that that the other comapny may get some negative hearsay. I only KNOW the orginal company is still licensed and operating in IA, and the orginal owners are still operating as if they own the whole things and have said nothing to contridict that statment. This is as of January 18 and Feb 11, 2006. IF this other company truly exist, I do not know them and have not make comment relating to them. |
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recent legal action showing Randy and Debbie Shultz as owners or otherwise responsible parties for the corp...
if it were sold over a year ago, wouldn't these things be changed? And if it were sold, but the same people still run it, what difference does it make? |
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I've spoken to Randy a few times, nice to speak to but with few words and right down to business (sales) I've looked at a 1990 ,96 and a 2001 both 26's and the 29' I wasn't impressed! seemed cheap! deck flexed when stepped on, unusual stresscracks on the older ones! I've heard good things and bad things thru the grapevine but from personal experience I'd stay away!!!!!!!!!!!!
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THnak God OSO wasn't around in 1996 :D
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ALL I have to say is talk to Dean!!!!!
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Originally Posted by dean51267
Tom, please contact me about your experience. [email protected]. We share a common experience, and I intend to stop it from happening to someone else.
270-554-0720 Dean it doesn't look like Tom is registered member any longer so he won't see it or get e-mail, you'll have to track him down |
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the problem is about 10% the boats, and 90% Randy Schultz.
Let me assure you if you have spoken with Randy and he left you with an impression he is compident, cared about his customers, could and would provide service after a sale, and was generally an honest guy, you have been fooled. Hundreds of documentated facts, independent third parties, arbitrations boards, court cases in numberous states, criminal charges for credit card fraud and perjury, and other independent sources make this claim, I am just repeating it (well, actually made it twice and an arbitration board agreed, twice). There is currently court proceedings in this matter, I will be glad to share the story off line. There are people on this board who have seen the documents, this is not hearsay, but is to much to post here... |
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Originally Posted by Tom McCann
I can finish this. I sold my brand new profile. I can speak from experience. I bought a brand new profile in 1996. I used it for one season and it needed alot of work. I dont want to slam profile becauses he is just a guy who likes boats and is trying to make a living, but I can not excuse the behavior of Randy Shultz when I personaly spoke to him on the phone about the problems with my boat. When I told him about the problems with the boat he statred to use profane language towards me and blamed me and everyone on the east cost that owns a profile that it was our fault with the problems. He also gave me details about the relationship between him and my dealer that I needed not to hear. In short he would not back his boat and I had to have my dealer arrange to fix the boat locally. Pretty good for a boat I bought brand new with a 5 year hull warranty. I should of just bought a used boat and took a chance. I was not the only one with problems with profile. There were 6 other people in my area that bought them and all of them had hull problems. Sorry to seem so digruntled about the situation but you know what, I am a very fare person and easy to get along with if that phone call I made to Randy went differantly I would not be so negative towards profile.
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Originally Posted by gsmith9898
You sold your boat 10 years ago and are still *****ing about it? Coming on here to vent about something from 10 years ago and brag about your bayliner is a waste of space. Get a life! If you are comparing a bayliner to ANY performance boat, your crazy and need to be medicated. :mad:
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Originally Posted by pull my trigger
Tom McCan didnt bring the thread back........
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03-04-2003, 01:56 PM :eek: :rolleyes:
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Re: Profile or Bayliner
Originally Posted by pull my trigger
Tom McCan didnt bring the thread back........
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hey guys, as a favor to me, for the next few days, drop the Profile issue. Something is fishy, I do not know for sure, but there is a POTENTIAL that someone else could get hurt out of this deal that is an innocent bystander... if that is the case I will apologize, if not, if thisis the case, the prior owners are even more dishonest than orginally stated, bt there is an innocnet bystander, or they are even MORE crooked than I think now.
So in the spirit of not damaging a reputation that may not deserve it, let's let this drop for a week or so. Once clarifed I will let everyone know the deal. |
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my bayliner will have 1000,s with blowers :eek: :eek: :drink:
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Walmart shoes or Payless
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Beware of ANY boat salesman who bad-mouths a competitive brand as part of his sales presentation. More deals have been blown with that mistake made than any other.
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remember "i shoulda had a v8"?
ishoulda bought a cigarette :evilb: |
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Originally Posted by dean51267
hey guys, as a favor to me, for the next few days, drop the Profile issue. Something is fishy, I do not know for sure, but there is a POTENTIAL that someone else could get hurt out of this deal that is an innocent bystander... if that is the case I will apologize, if not, if thisis the case, the prior owners are even more dishonest than orginally stated, bt there is an innocnet bystander, or they are even MORE crooked than I think now.
So in the spirit of not damaging a reputation that may not deserve it, let's let this drop for a week or so. Once clarifed I will let everyone know the deal. I truly hope you get everything worked out with your boat and Profile. I just hope in the wake you don't ruin someone elses business or character that had nothing to do with the issue. It could be too late unfortunately. |
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Originally Posted by TwinStepGun
This is a perfect example on why you shouldn't post your dirty laundry on a public forum without thinking first. You started 4-5 threads concerning Profile and got everyone stirred up. Now you can't stop the runaway train.
I truly hope you get everything worked out with your boat and Profile. I just hope in the wake you don't ruin someone elses business or character that had nothing to do with the issue. It could be too late unfortunately. |
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Ed,
Thanks for post # 67..... Hugh |
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Originally Posted by TwinStepGun
This is a perfect example on why you shouldn't post your dirty laundry on a public forum without thinking first. You started 4-5 threads concerning Profile and got everyone stirred up. Now you can't stop the runaway train.
I truly hope you get everything worked out with your boat and Profile. I just hope in the wake you don't ruin someone elses business or character that had nothing to do with the issue. It could be too late unfortunately. Believe me when I say no one "innocent" has been harmed... |
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its just like cars>>>i mean who really wants a kia.. cheap will always sell, because there will always be people who don't know any better or people who are more concerned about there payments!
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Originally Posted by dean51267
Believe me when I say no one "innocent" has been harmed...
Right...No one except the new owners of Profile, who bought the company after your bad experience. I would think that you as a master of everything accounting would know that Randy Schultz could still own TNT Holdings but not own Profile Boats. |
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Right...No one except the new owners of Profile, who bought the company after your bad experience.
I would think that you as a master of everything accounting would know that Randy Schultz could still own TNT Holdings but not own Profile Boats. according to the attached document, TNT holdings is still doing business as Profile.... see three and headers of each page...... at least they were last month..... if not, someone committed perjury.... |
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WOW this is an old thread. It's been three years since I've been to Profile and over a year since I've talked to Randy.
When I toured the plant three years ago things seems well. The material and contruction of the boats where up to par with most other builders. The quality was very nice too. Not excelent but still very nice. The bigger boats where still having problems with mold work, but the smaller ones where fine. I can't speak for the older boat, but seeing how they are built now, I'd say they have greatly improved over the 90's boats. I have no ideal what went on in the last few years. To bad there seems to be so much turmoil. |
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Everyone rags on Bayliner but they sure put a lot of people in boating.
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With Cheaper Insurance
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If you like to spend your time at the docks and drink beer...Bayliner is your ticket. :D
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I think the attacks on Profile and Randy are getting a little ridicilous. I'm not saying that I had the most pleasurable experience with him, but we did talk about our differences like men and resolve it.
I dont know of many boat manufacturers in which you actually speak with the owner of the company on all of your issues. He runs his company differently, but the way he wants to, sometimes he's a little rough around the edges in his conversations, but I'm sure that he is asked all kinds of stupid questions thats wasting his time( I know this because I asked alot of them when I first purchased my Profile) As far as the quality of construction, handling and ride. I think that it is EXCELLENT. If I didn't think it was a good hull then I wouldn't be putting in new 557's with new Arneson drives :D :D No, its not the best boat made and defenitley not the fastest Jud Shoup 1997 31' Profile-Offshore 1320 HP/ 1444 Ft Lbs (970) 376-3704 |
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