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Old 06-23-2003, 07:50 PM
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Travis, one meter back, one meter up. That's the test in Michigan. And they cannot be behind the boat when they do it.

By the way, unless you turn your idle down, you are probably not legal in Michigan.
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are you saying my boat is alittle loud foul?

I can get it to idle down to about 600 rpm and its a little quieter or i could just fill the bilge with water until the exhaust go under the water
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Here is doc SAE J2005. It was originally in Acrobat but i don't know how to post it in the format. If you would like to have the original give me a email.


J2005
ISSUED
DEC91
1991-12 Issued
400 Commonwealth Drive, Warrendale, PA 15096-0001
SURFACE
VEHICLE
RECOMMENDED
PRACTICE
Submitted for recognition as an American National Standard
STATIONARY SOUND LEVEL MEASUREMENT PROCEDURE FOR PLEASURE MOTORBOATS
1. Scope—This SAE Recommended Practice establishes the procedure for determining if pleasure motorboats
have effective exhaust muffling means when operating in the stationary mode. It is intended as a guide toward
standard practice and is subject to change to keep pace with experience and technical advances.
1.1 Purpose—This document specifies guidelines for stationary sound level measurements for boats with abovewater
exhaust systems.
References 2.
2.1 Applicable Publication—The following publications form a part of this specification to the extent specified
herein.
2.1.1 ANSI PUBLICATION—Available from the American National Standards Institute, Inc., 11 West 42nd Street,
New York, NY 10036-8002.
ANSI S1.4-1983 and S1.4A-1985—Specifications for Sound Level Meters
2.2 Related Publications—The following publications are provided for information purposes only and are not a
required part of this document.
2.2.1 SAE PUBLICATION—Available from SAE, 400 Commonwealth Drive, Warrendale, PA 15096-0001.
SAE J34—Exterior Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Pleasure Motorboats
2.2.2 ANSI PUBLICATIONS—Available from the American National Standards Institute, Inc., 11 West 42nd Street,
New York, NY 10036-8002.
ANSI S1.1-1960(1976)—Acoustical Terminology
ANSI S1.13-1971(R1986)—Methods for the Measurement of Sound Pressure Levels
SAE Technical Standards Board Rules provide that: “This report is published by SAE to advance the state of technical and engineering sciences. The use of this report is entirely
voluntary, and its applicability and suitability for any particular use, including any patent infringement arising therefrom, is the sole responsibility of the user.”
SAE reviews each technical report at least every five years at which time it may be reaffirmed, revised, or cancelled. SAE invites your written comments and suggestions.
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SAE J2005 Issued DEC91
Instrumentation—The following instrumentation shall be used for the measurement required: 3.
3.1 A sound level meter which meets ANSI Standard S1.4-1983 Type 1 or Type 2 Specification for Sound Level
Meters.
3.2 A microphone windscreen that does not affect the overall reading by more than ±0.5 dB(A).
3.3 A sound level calibrator. (See 5.3.)
Procedure 4.
4.1 Measurement Site—A suitable site is a body of water free of large obstructions or reflective surfaces such as
buildings, boats other than those involved in this procedure, large embankments or breakwaters, etc. for a
minimum distance of 8 m (25 ft) from the boat being measured. The boat being tested shall either be moored
to a dock or lashed to another boat. If moored to a dock, the dock shall be of open construction so that it
presents a minimum of reflecting surfaces. If the measurement is made in open water, the boat being
evaluated shall be lashed to the measurement boat to prevent relative motion and to allow positioning of the
microphone in the prescribed location. The measurement boat shall be positioned to minimize reflected
sound.
4.2 Boat Operation—The engine shall be operated at low idle speed within the engine manufacturer's
recommended operating range, in neutral gear if so equipped. For motorboats without a neutral gear, the
engine shall be operated at its lowest operational speed. The engine shall be operated for a sufficient amount
of time to allow water to flow through the exhaust system before taking measurements.
4.3 Measurements
4.3.1 The microphone shall be placed at a distance of 1.2 to 1.5 m (4 to 5 ft) above the water and no closer than
1 m (3.3 ft) from the vertical projection of any part of the boat in the area adjacent to the exhaust outlet(s).
4.3.2 The meter shall be set for slow response and the A-weighting network.
4.3.3 The observer reading the meter shall not be closer than arm's length from the microphone to minimize sound
reflections.
4.3.4 The applicable reading shall be the average sound level measured during a period when the background
sound level is at least 10 dB lower than the measured sound level. Background sound level includes wind
effects, noise from boats other than the one being measured, wave action, boat wakes, and other extraneous
noises. Peak readings of intermittent sound levels created by wave slaps or changes in sound level due to
wave action and/or engine speed variation shall not be included in the applicable reading.
4.3.5 The observer shall record the applicable reading and the background sound levels taken immediately before
and immediately after the applicable reading.
General Requirements 5.
5.1 The measurements shall be conducted only by persons qualified by training to perform these measurements.
5.2 Proper use of all test instrumentation is essential to obtain valid measurements. Operating manuals or other
literature furnished by the instrument manufacturer should be consulted for both recommended operation of
the instrument, and precautions to be observed.
5.3 Proper acoustical calibration shall comprise the complete measurement system including extension cables,
etc. Field calibration shall be performed immediately before and after each test sequence.
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SAE J2005 Issued DEC91
5.4 A measurement shall be invalid if changes in the background sound level affect the applicable reading.
5.5 The use of the word "shall" in the procedure is to be understood to be mandatory, while the word "should" is to
be understood as advisory.
PREPARED BY THE SAE MARINE SOUND LEVEL SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE SAE MARINE TECHNICAL
COMMITTEE AND THE SAE SPECIALIZED VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT SOUND LEVEL COMMITTEE
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SAE J2005 Issued DEC91
APPENDIX A
This procedure has been developed as a guide for governmental agencies to enforce the requirement for
effective muffling means in pleasure motorboats. The measured level is not an indication of maximum
operational sound levels.
In most applications involving thru-transom exhaust the microphone location should be 1 m (3.3 ft) aft of the
intersection of the vertical plane of the aft-most part of the transom and the vertical plane of the port-most or
starboard-most part of the gunnel at the specified height of 1.2 to 1.5 m (4 to 5 ft) above the surface of the
water with the microphone oriented toward the exhaust outlet(s).
Care must be taken to avoid erroneous readings due to sound reflections by proper positioning of the
enforcement boat such that minimal extension of the enforcement hull protrudes into the area surrounding the
microphone during measurements. Only one enforcement boat shall be in the area where measurements are
being taken.
Sound level limits should generally have tolerance band to compensate for variations in test sites, boats, and
weather conditions. Background information is included in the SAE J2005 Rationale Statement.
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SAE J2005 Issued DEC91
Rationale—The primary method of enforcing boat noise regulations by the states which currently have boat
noise legislation is based on the pass-by noise test procedure SAE J34, the Exterior Sound Level
Measurement Procedure for Pleasure Motorboats. SAE J34 has some major drawbacks when utilized
as a sound level measurement technique for law enforcement purposes. The procedure requires that a
sound level meter be located at a precise distance from a measured course through which a boat is
travelling at maximum speed, requiring extreme skill and care on the part of the boat operator. Locating
an acceptable test site to perform these high speed tests is a problem often encountered by enforcement
officers when utilizing pass-by sound level measurements.
Most complaints about boat noise originate with boats which are operated without exhaust mufflers.
SAE J2005, the Stationary Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Pleasure Motorboats, was
developed at the request of law enforcement officials who requested an exhaust noise sound level
measurement procedure which can be performed in the safest possible manner and without the need for
a special test course.
SAE J2005 can be performed at a dock or in open water with the boat tethered to an enforcement boat.
To perform the measurement a boat with above-water exhaust is operated at idle speed in neutral or at
its lowest operational speed. The sound level meter is positioned 1.2 to 1.5 m above the water surface
and at a distance of 1 m (3.3 ft) from the side of the boat through which the exhaust exits while the
average sound level is measured and recorded. Those boats which are excessively noisy during
stationary mode operation are considered to have ineffective exhaust muffling. Consequently, this
procedure provides law enforcement officials with a safe method of evaluating exhaust noise levels which
can be readily performed anywhere on the water.
Relationship of SAE Standard to ISO Standard—Not applicable.
Application—This SAE Recommended Practice establishes the procedure for determining if pleasure
motorboats have effective exhaust muffling means when operating in the stationary mode. It is intended
as a guide toward standard practice and is subject to change to keep pace with experience and technical
advances.

Reference Section
SAE J34—Exterior Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Pleasure Motorboats
ANSI S1.1-1960(1976)—Acoustical Terminology
ANSI S1.13-1971(R1986)—Methods for the Measurement of Sound Pressure Levels
ANSI S1.4-1983 and S1.4A-1985—Specifications for Sound Level Meters
Developed by the SAE Marine Sound Level Subcommittee
Sponsored by the SAE Marine Technical Committee and the SAE Specialized Vehicle and Equipment
Sound Level Committee

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Hmmm, interesting...

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4.1 Measurement Site—A suitable site is a body of water free of large obstructions or reflective surfaces such as buildings, boats other than those involved in this procedure, large embankments or breakwaters, etc. for a minimum distance of 8 m (25 ft) from the boat being measured. The boat being tested shall either be moored to a dock or lashed to another boat. If moored to a dock, the dock shall be of open construction so that it presents a minimum of reflecting surfaces. If the measurement is made in open water, the boat being evaluated shall be lashed to the measurement boat to prevent relative motion and to allow positioning of the microphone in the prescribed location. The measurement boat shall be positioned to minimize reflected
sound.
So, no measurement while tied to a seawall or within 25' of one. That invalidates pretty much every location available on Lake St. Clair, and I'm guessing a good number of other places in Michigan.

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4.3.3 The observer reading the meter shall not be closer than arm's length from the microphone to minimize sound reflections.

4.3.4 The applicable reading shall be the average sound level measured during a period when the background sound level is at least 10 dB lower than the measured sound level. Background sound level includes wind effects, noise from boats other than the one being measured, wave action, boat wakes, and other extraneous noises. Peak readings of intermittent sound levels created by wave slaps or changes in sound level due to wave action and/or engine speed variation shall not be included in the applicable reading.
So, Mr. Noise Police, you better hold that meter out there long enough to accurately gauge background noise. Oh, and let's throw out any reading that might be tainted due to wave action, boat wakes, uneven idle (I knew I should have adjusted that throttle cable), passing boats, etc.

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5.1 The measurements shall be conducted only by persons qualified by training to perform these measurements.

5.2 Proper use of all test instrumentation is essential to obtain valid measurements. Operating manuals or other literature furnished by the instrument manufacturer should be consulted for both recommended operation of the instrument, and precautions to be observed.

5.3 Proper acoustical calibration shall comprise the complete measurement system including extension cables, etc. Field calibration shall be performed immediately before and after each test sequence.

SAE J2005 Issued DEC91
5.4 A measurement shall be invalid if changes in the background sound level affect the applicable reading.
So, Officer Dry Pipes, you have the calibration record of your set up. And let's make sure the field calibration is done before and after you measure me. And that no noise spikes are due to any sort of background noise, like a passing boat.

Seems to me like this regulation has more holes than swiss cheese, if you want to or need to fight it.

Thanks to BigJake for the info!
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A friend of mine got a noise ticket last season. Some of you here know him. He fought it in court. The judge said he presented a good case (he had all the above regulations with him). Told the cop he could have done a better job administering the test. Then gave my friend the fine, probation, and an R&R on his exhaust anyway. Could not run the boat again without fixing the issue. Even though he proved that the test was conducted under less than ideal conditons, and in less than a perfect manner, he got screwed anyway. Judge is probably a blow boter.
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DOCKROCKER or anyone else send a email to [email protected] and I will send you the original. It would be pretty fun to bring out these documents when being hassled.
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Dockrocker here is SAE J1970

J1970
ISSUED
DEC91
1991-12 Issued
400 Commonwealth Drive, Warrendale, PA 15096-0001
SURFACE
VEHICLE
RECOMMENDED
PRACTICE
Submitted for recognition as an American National Standard
SHORELINE SOUND LEVEL MEASUREMENT PROCEDURE
Foreword—This Document has not changed other than to put it into the new SAE Technical Standards Board
Format.
1. Scope—This SAE Recommended Practice establishes the procedure for measuring the sound level of
pleasure motorboats at a position on the shore under conditions other than stationary mode operation. It is
intended as a guide toward standard practice and is subject to change to keep pace with experience and
technical advances.
1.1 Purpose—This document specifies guidelines for sound level measurements made from the shoreline of
recreational boating areas and is intended for pleasure motorboats only.
References 2.
2.1 Applicable Publications—The following publications form a part of the specification to the extent specified
herein. Unless otherwise indicated the latest revision of SAE publications shall apply.
2.1.1 ANSI PUBLICATIONS—Available from ANSI, 11 West 42nd Street, New York, NY 10036-8002.
ANSI S1.4-1983 and S1.4A-1985—Specifications for Sound Level Meters
2.2 Related Publications—The following publications are provided for information purposes only and are not a
required part of this document.
2.2.1 SAE PUBLICATIONS—Available from SAE, 400 Commonwealth Drive, Warrendale, PA 15096-0001.
SAE J34—Exterior Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Pleasure Motorboats
SAE J2005—Stationary Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Pleasure Motorboats
2.2.2 ANSI PUBLICATIONS—Available from ANSI, 11 West 42nd Street, New York, NY 10036-8002.
ANSI S1.1-1960(1976)—Acoustical Terminology
ANSI S1.13-1971(R1986)—Methods for the Measurement of Sound Pressure Levels
SAE Technical Standards Board Rules provide that: “This report is published by SAE to advance the state of technical and engineering sciences. The use of this report is entirely
voluntary, and its applicability and suitability for any particular use, including any patent infringement arising therefrom, is the sole responsibility of the user.”
SAE reviews each technical report at least every five years at which time it may be reaffirmed, revised, or cancelled. SAE invites your written comments and suggestions.
QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS DOCUMENT: (724) 772-8512 FAX: (724) 776-0243
TO PLACE A DOCUMENT ORDER; (724) 776-4970 FAX: (724) 776-0790
SAE WEB ADDRESS http://www.sae.org
Printed in U.S.A.
Copyright 1991 Society of Automotive Engineers, Inc.
All rights reserved.
SAE J1970 Issued DEC91
Instrumentation—The following instrumentation shall be used for the measurement required. 3.
3.1 A sound level meter which meets ANSI Standard S1.4-1983 Type 1 or Type 2 specification for Sound Level
Meters.
3.2 A microphone windscreen that does not affect the overall reading by more than ± 0.5 dB(A).
3.3 A sound level calibrator.
Procedure 4.
4.1 Measurement Site—A suitable site is the shore of a body of water or dock projecting out from the shore into
the body of water, or a raft or a boat moored to a dock or anchored so that the sound level meter or microphone
is not more than 6 m (20 ft) from shore. If the measurement is made from a dock, the dock shall be of open
construction so that it presents a minimum of reflecting surfaces. The area around the microphone and boat
being measured shall be free of large obstructions or reflective surfaces, such as buildings, high
embankments, sea walls, hills, large piers, or breakwaters, etc., for a minimum distance of 30 m (100 ft).
4.2 Boat Operation
4.2.1 The applicable reading does not require that the boat be at any specific distance from the shoreline or
microphone.
4.2.2 This measurement procedure shall not be used during the 30 s time period following engine start-up and/or
preceding engine shutdown.
4.3 Measurements
4.3.1 The microphone shall be placed 1.2 to 1.5 m (4 to 5 ft) above the water, and no less than 0.6 m (2 ft) above
the curve of the shore, dock, or platform. If on a dock or platform, the microphone shall be placed near or
beyond the end of the dock or platform. If the measurement is made from a boat, the microphone shall be
held at a height of not less than 0.6 m (2 ft) above the surface of the water. A suitable boat for this purpose is
of open hull construction.
4.3.2 The meter shall be set for slow response and the A-weighting network.
4.3.3 The observer reading the meter shall not be closer than arm's length from the microphone. Only one other
person may be within 15 m (50 ft) of the microphone when measuring from the dock or shoreline, and that
person shall be directly behind the observer reading the meter.
4.3.4 The applicable reading shall be the highest sound level measured during a period when the background
sound level is at least 10 dB lower than the maximum allowable sound level. Background sound level
includes wind effects, noise from boats other than the one being measured, wave action, boat wakes, and
other extraneous noises. Readings due to hull slaps which create intermittent sound levels shall be
disregarded.
4.3.5 The observer shall record the applicable reading and the background sound levels taken immediately before
and immediately after the applicable reading.
4.3.6 When sound level readings are taken from inside a boat, 3 dB shall be subtracted from the reading to better
correlate with shoreline readings.
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General Requirements 5.
5.1 The measurements shall be conducted only by persons qualified by training to perform these measurements.
5.2 Proper use of all test instrumentation is essential to obtain valid measurements. Operating manuals or other
literature furnished by the instrument manufacturer should be consulted for both recommended operation of
the instrument, and precautions to be observed.
5.3 Proper acoustical calibration shall comprise the complete measurement system including extension cables,
etc. Field calibration shall be performed immediately before and after each test sequence.
5.4 A measurement shall be invalid if changes in the background sound level affect the applicable reading.
5.5 The use of the word "shall" in the procedure is to be understood to be mandatory. The use of the word "should"
is to be understood as advisory. The use of the word "may" is to be understood as permissive.
PREPARED BY THE SAE MARINE SOUND LEVEL SUBCOMMITTEE
OF THE SAE MARINE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE AND THE SAE SPECIALIZED VEHICLE
AND EQUIPMENT SOUND LEVEL COMMITTEE
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APPENDIX A—
This procedure may be used for the measurement of sound emitted by pleasure motorboats in use on
waterways where sound level restrictions apply. Sound level is a function of the exhaust system, the boat hull,
the manner of boat operation, e.g., distance from shore, engine speed and trim angle, and other factors.
Background information is included in the SAE J1970 Rationale Statement.
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Rationale—SAE J1970 has been developed for the specific purpose of measuring boat noise at the shoreline
of recreational boating areas. This procedure is intended for sound level measurements for all types of
pleasure motorboats. Since most complaints about boat noise originate from people situated on or near
the shores surrounding boating areas, sound level measurement at the shoreline is a key ingredient in
reducing complaints about the noise. SAE J1970 describes the necessary steps in making valid
measurements of the sound level generated by individual boats, so as to identify those boats which are
operated in such a manner to cause complaints about excessive noise.
Boat noise legislation as it is currently being enforced in more than 20 states throughout the U.S. is
based on SAE J34, Exterior Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Pleasure Motorboats. SAE J34
was originally developed by marine engineers for the purpose of evaluating the effect of engine/boat
design configurations on maximum noise, and was not intended for use as a procedure for enforcement
of boat noise legislation. It is not surprising, therefore, that SAE J34 is unsuited for enforcement
purposes. SAE J1970, on the other hand, was originated for the specific intent of providing enforcement
officials with a sound level measurement procedure by which shoreline noise levels can be accurately
measured.
Shoreline noise measurements can be performed by positioning the sound level meter on the shore at
the edge of the water, or on a dock, or from a boat which is anchored not more than 6 m (20 ft) from the
shore. Readings taken from a boat are subject to a - 3 dB correction: - 2 dB for acoustical conditions
within the boat and - 1 dB for reduced distance between the boat being measured and the microphone.
The actual sound level measurement specified by SAE J1970 is similar in many respects to SAE J34.
Because of the greater measurement distance from shore to boat in most situations, care must be
exercised in making certain that background sound levels do not influence readings. Consequently, the
background level shall be at least 10 dB lower than the maximum allowable sound level.
Since moored boats are usually located in the proximity of the shoreline, a 30 s time period is allowed the
operator in leaving from and returning to the shoreline area in which the noise limit will not be enforced.
The objective in providing the operator this time interval is to allow adequate time to leave from and
return to the mooring without being cited for noisy operation because of the short distance from shore.
Operators who generate noise complaints while in the vicinity of the mooring may likely be cited for
excessive exhaust noise which can be determined by applying the Stationary Sound Level Measurement
Procedure, SAE J2005.
Allowable sound level limits in residential neighborhoods have been addressed by past research done by
the United States Environmental Protection Agency and various European governmental agencies. This
research suggests that maximum rms levels of 75 dB(A) are acceptable in residential areas such as
those found on lake shores. Sound level surveys conducted by the SAE Marine Sound Level
Subcommittee indicate that a maximum (rms level) of 75 dB(A) provides an adequate margin above the
typical ambient so as to establish confidence in the measured level. Accordingly, it is recommended that
75 dB(A) shoreline limits be established in residential neighborhoods adjoining recreational boating
waters.
The SAE J1970 measurement procedure provides enforcement personnel with the means to identify
those boats/operators which generate noise complaints. Realization on the part of the operator that it is
his individual responsibility to control and maintain the noise at the shoreline is an important step in the
control of recreational boat noise.
Relationship of SAE Standard to ISO Standard—Not applicable.
Application—This SAE Recommended Practice establishes the procedure for measuring the sound level of
pleasure motorboats at a position on the shore under conditions other than stationary mode operation. It
is intended as a guide toward standard practice and is subject to change to keep pace with experience
and technical advances.
SAE J1970 Issued DEC91
Reference Section
SAE J34—Exterior Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Pleasure Motorboats
SAE J2005—Stationary Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Pleasure Motorboats
ANSI S1.1-1960(1976)—Acoustical Terminology
ANSI S1.13-1971(R1986)—Methods for the Measurement of Sound Pressure Levels
ANSI S1.4-1983 and S1.4A-1985—Specifications for Sound Level Meters
Developed by the SAE Marine Sound Level Subcommittee
Sponsored by the SAE Marine Technical Committee and the SAE Specialized Vehicle and Equipment
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Or you could make your boat oike mine. With the silent choice closed it is about as loud as a stock engine with the exhaust open. They don't check me because they think my exhaust is open and it is not TOO loud. I don't even want to have one of them catch me with my exhaust open. IT IS VERY LOUD.
Just ask Whitey -- He got an earfull on Saturday.
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IT IS VERY LOUD.
Just ask Whitey -- He got an earfull on Saturday.
Steve, EVERYONE at Hardy got an earfull on Saturday!!! You blew past us at Brower several times. Always knew it was you without even looking!!!
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