Crash on Ohio river / Dayton KY
 

Just got up and on the news they said last night a small boat was run over/hit by a "cigarette" boat last night. They showed a pic of the small boat ( probably 18-20' ). This boat was covered in blood. Pretty bad scene. I only caught this news passing the TV and I'm not awake yet, so I don't have details. They said the "cig" boat took off and they are searching for the boat and it's passengers.
Any info?
Once again -sounds like people being drunk and stupid.

They are saying the boat was white and red w/ yellow stripes.
Appenrtly the "cig'" (reported to be 50') ran over the smaller boat. The pics on the news look like it went right over top. Chewed up fiberglass all over the boat. The guy in the "cig" took off. 6-7 people in the hospital now. Unbeleivable mess.
I hope the people are OK.
It's a DAMN shame, and gives all us "cigar" boaters a bad name.
Somebody screwed up pretty bad, and is now hiding. There is certainly major damage to the boat. They'll show up soon.
Gentleman/Ladies - It's time to police ourselves, otherwise we will be policed by the Law, and I think they will gladly take the fun out of everything we love. This is a vagrant lack of responsibility on the boat owner.
Maybe we should have an operators license, and set it up in different classes depending on the speed of your boat - like a drivers license vs. a CDL.
hell, I don't know... I don't want the law anymore involved than need be, but we need to do something about this type of behavior.

Here is another example of why I do not like being out after dark on the water.

I am sorry to here some people got hurt & hope no one is in serioius condition.

It seems that most of these accidents are taking place in the evening hours, when you would think that the most responsible drivers would be on the water at that time, knowing how much more difficult it is to navigate in darkness. In State of New York they are making it mandatory liscensing by 2005, what they have failed to inform people about is instrumentation. I believe that there should be class rating's for drivers like pilots as in Instrument Rated, to be able to use instruments is crucial when running at nite and I'm not taking about Tachs and Speedometers. Its very sad to hear of all the recent accidents that have taken place, and I would suggest all responsible boaters try to find ways from preventing such terrible acts.

Eight years ago on Memorial Day weekend I was towing my neighbors boat home from a restaurant after it failed to start. It was about 10 PM and we were idling along with all of our lights on. A boat came straight at us. We tried getting his attnention to no avail. At the last moment, I tried to turn out of the way, but the boat went diagonally across my 20' Century Riviera. It went from about 3' from the bow on the right side, over the windshield, between the front buckets and exited right at the rear bench seat on the left side.

There were five people in my boat and five in the boat being towed. Luckily, he missed my neighbor's boat completely. Three people bailed out in time, my wife got tangled in the throttle, and the fifth person ducked down. When we got everyone together and found no major injuries, we discovered the boat that hit us had never slowed down and was gone! Little did they know they were in a dead-end cove!!

Some good samaritans stopped to assist since my boat was nearly cut in half, but continued to float. Then a Bayliner approached and asked what happened. I said "Some a$$hole just hit us, could you go try to find him?" He yells back "I'm the a$$hole that hit you and you damaged my boat!" I "damaged your boat?!?!" #$%@&%#*^%$## You!

After much yelling and threats, the police arrived since people on shore saw the accident and called 911. Eventually, it was found the other driver had a BAC of over .20%. Double the legal limit. In addition, it was his first trip to the lake and the boat wasn't even his. It was borrowed!

He immediately moved to Florida to escape liability, but we tracked him down and eventually recovered minimal damages for our boat and some medical bills. We actually had to "force" TN to uphold the BUI charges since the judge was unaware of the details of the law and was going to dismiss the charges!

Just goes to show, there are a$$holes driving every type of boat, car, bike, plane, etc., etc. It's not the vehicle, but the operator that makes the right or wrong decisions! BTW - None of us had been drinking within the last 2 -3 hours that night!

Sorry for rambling, but this is one night I'll never forget!

Jeff

Jeff,

100%

Topgun - I'm with you on the rating scale,
It's just sucks that we can't police ourselves as a "powerboat community" and have to turn it over to the law making people that don't have any intelligence about what we do. Sure, accidents happen, and usually they occur due to stupid choices (I.e. - running a large fast boat full throttle after dark on a busy waterway). I don't know that this particular incident involved high speed or alchol/drugs, But it still taints the name of anyone driving a nice go- fast.
We need to Police ourselves. If we don't, Hyper baja is gonna have to go through nuclear testing, a dunk tank, and a DNA test by the time he's 25 just to drive his boat.
Everyone needs to realize you are in control of a machine capable of significant damage if not death. You spent alot of money on this machine and love the free feeling it gives you, But don't let it get away from you , and take away that free feeling from others that are out to enjoy the same freedom.
It sounds like all the boaters are gonna be OK (except the driver of the "cig")(he's gonna get his a$$ burnt - and deserves it).

I just hate this sort of incident giving us all a bad name - we are usually the most responsible boaters out there, with the most expensive hardware and the most knowledge of what to do in bad weather or a bad situation. Running away from a boat you just ran over - unforgiveable....

BouyHunter,

I''m sure that we all know people that have no idea what so ever, of what there doing behind a wheel of a boat, an yet they still go out with other people on it dangering himself, his guests, and all those on the water, and the tragedy of it is that there is nothing one can really do about it. One would think to use common sense but most of the time thats not the case, I am very supportive of a mandatory liscense, but if you going to have it, you must make sure that there is nothing that is left out, instrumentation and a driving test as well. Yes it will be a burden, but hopefully the means will justify the end.

http://www.kypost.com/2003/06/28/smash062803.html

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjourna...te/6190387.htm

Manditory liscense is not the answer, sorry to disagree it isn't even close, unless you are checked for a liscense before you go out everytime. This isn't like flying where it is pretty evident that you need training, skill and good judgement to stay alive. If you don't you will be weeded out pretty fast by natural selection. The minimum skill level to operate a boat (i don't mean operate it properly) is pretty low.

Aren't you supposed to be liscensed to drive a car? And how many people drive drunk or reckless? It's just like owning a gun, law abiding people get a liscense and the bad people dont.

The way this is going to get handled, like it or not, is going to come either by insurance premiums forcing most everyone out or legislation limiting speed and power. The only thing I can see liscensing helping is if you are liscensed maybe your insurance is bearable.

You can't stop stupid people from doing stupid things, you just can't but they are always the ones that ruin it for those of us that are responsible.

Too Old - I agree with you 100%. I don't want licensing either, and it certainly doesn't ensure safety. The last thing I want is the Gov't getting more involved in our love and passion for water and WHEN PRUDENT.... speed.
It just scares me that people with a large bank account can go out and buy a machine capable of doing this kind of damage to a family and freinds - and he/she has no clue how to use it.
You are right that licesing will become a tax - we already have plenty of those (taxes....) and it won't change anything on the water.
2. Thats my point - it was reported on the news as a "50 cigarette". Why is it different because it was a speed boat (and I'm sure it wasn't a "50' cig". If there is a traffic accident - does it make a difference if its a lexus or subaru??? - where's the justice??

4. There will always be idiots - I think they keep inbreeding to make the idiot population even stronger.

The pics on TV were pretty graffic and that boat was a mess - torn up fiberglass, tempered windsheild glass all over the place... the people being carted to the ambulance were pretty bloody - nasty accident......

Just pissed me off when I saw it first thing this morning that someone is f-ing up the water and being irresponsible....

We boat on a relatively small body of water here but, as noted earlier, most of these incidents occur after dark. (after drunk, too) Our local law prohibits "on plane" speeds over 10 mph after dark. It sure takes longer to get home and people have been known to fall overboard because they could'nt get to a restroom fast enough at that speed, and not everyone obeys the law, but there has not been a collision here involving anyone obeying that law here, ever! And although powerboat opponents have tried to spoil things, we can still go as fast as we want in daylight. --- Jer

There is a small "performance" boat group down here on the Ohio....Everybody knows what is running here......They will be found !!! Needless to say...I will be no-where near Cin. this weekend!! they will be stopping every Cig type boat around looking for this ******* !!! Somebody will turn him in !!!!

As was stated above it does not take someone with a big bank account to run over someone else in the dark.

I could have been me instead of "jbrauer" out after dark towing someone back in, even tho I always try to be back in before dark.

What is the answer, I don't know. The only think laws will do is make our live harder. I just cringe everytime when I am at the lake & hear a boat, performance or not running hard
after dark & I can not the boat.

After hearing jbrauer story of the boat not seeing him, I am going to put my Qbeam in my boat. Maybe if I flash lights in the guys eyes he will know I am there before he runs over me.

In the 2 links TopDJ posted, one article said the boat was 50-60 feet long and the other said it was 20 feet... there was other differences in the stories also... hmmm.. wonder what is true?

OOOH NOOO!!!

Man.....this is the first I have heard of this wreck. I sure hope the victims are okay, that is just terrible. Man...it really hits you when it happens on your home turf. Dayton Kentucky is essentially right accross the river from donwtown Cincy, right in front of Watertown Yatch Club (for those of you who have been there). That area is always crowded, even after dark, but the city lights up the river VERY well and it was a clear night last night, so visibility should have been pretty good. The article says it was in between Watertown and B&B, right in that little straight away before the southern heading bend upriver.

I hate this sort of thing. They are going to REALLY crack down on us "aweful" high perf guys now. They usually leave us be, becasue we typically leave everyone else alone. Not sure who this is, and not even sure I know a boat with that description, but this guy is dangerous and needs to be punished.

Wow......what a bummer. Glad I was not out lastnight, I have a 24' white boat with red stripes and and yellow racing decals.....$100 says I get stopped next time I go out on the water and given a good once over.

Bird dog is correct....everyone knows everyone around here when it comes to high perf stuff, I doubt it was one of our crew, or we would have figrued it out by now. Probably someone else. I doubt highly it was a high perf boat or we would have an idea of who it is. Probably a normal run about boat, but someone thought it was bigger with all the confusion. I bet they'll find him within a week....

Just sad news, hope everyone is okay. Usually a bad wreck once a year on the river right in that area............

Before they make more rules...HOW ABOUT PUTTING LIHGHTS ON THE BARGES THAT ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE AT NIGHT????????? 400'-500' BARGES WITH 3 BOW LIGHTS!!!!!!! THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE LIT UP LIKE CHRISTMAS TREES.......AAAHHHDUUUHHHHH!!!!

Allan:(

Was out today. KY & OH patrol every where. They have a job to do. The local news keeps saying "cigarette" boat. Now ALL of us will be chastized. It will probably turn out to be a 25 foot/single, its amazing how non-boaters view of boat lenghts grow at night. No one around here runs a 50 anything (well ,I have seen some big cats). It happened @ 11:30pm, just might be alcohol related?...............gee,do ya think!:mad: :mad

I talked to a buddy that was out last night he was downtown and west of town. He said that he did not see anything out that was over thirty and nothing that met that discription it will be interesting to see what it was.
All we can do now is pray for the people hurt and hope they catch the s.o.b.

Kentz: Um, not to be picky, but I just happen to own a 25' single - 7' beam, 80+mph unit and I sure don't appreciate being put into the catagory of "It will probably turn out to be"!! Not all us little guys with low budgets are hit and run jerks. --- Jer

jp - your right!, i did not mean to offend:( merely, that they are saying 45-50 foot "cigarette" which, I guess to me, meant typically a 30+ w/twins. The eleven o'clock news was filming today, no what they shot?, me running @3K, A 38' CIG, and a 26 ao cat, you know all the ones with thru-hulls, makes better coverage and promotes the powerboaters cause.:mad: I can hear the legislatures coming.

I read 20' too. Who knows what kind/size it is and I agree no legislation will provide people with more common sense whether it's boating or sky-diving. As long as there's people there will tragedy to deal with. Be careful about cracking Pandora's box.....Hey maybe the boat hit didn't have lights, and the only crime committed is running away? Wait for more details...The plot may thicken...

Running away IS the crime !!!! You just don't do that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any other charges this guy gets will be minor next to leaving a
vessel sinking !!!!

Here is a great idea!


STAY SOBER YOU DRUNK A$$HOLES.

Lake Havasu had almost 50 DUI/BUI arrests in just 1 day that is friggin sad as hell.

I boat at night, But I damn near idle around. I can't tell you how many times I had almost hits on my boat as well. ALWAYS a guy flying in a boat at night and it wasn't always a CIG type.


Now I know why I pay so much for insurance.

TurboJack - Right on the money! I've always thought that if I had a Q-Beam that guy would have seen u sor had his rentinas severely damaged!

Regarding licenses, I also think they are just one more tax. They won't really help the situation since not having one will not prevent some one from actually driving. Especially at night - have you ever seen law enforcement on the water after dark? The only time I have is for fireworks on July 4 th.

Commn sense, common courtesy, a bit of responsibility and not being drunk will prevent most accidents. Unfortuntely, this mix is not all that common on the water or any place else!

Jeff

Commn sense, common courtesy, a bit of responsibility and not being drunk will prevent most accidents. Unfortuntely, this mix is not all that common on the water or any place else!

Jeff, you hit the nail on the head....there isn't much common sense, common courtesy, a bit of responsibility.

Just those three things will help 100%

After watching the local news and reading the paper man are they ever messed up they are all saying different colors and sizes this sucks though we all have a horrible rep now so please be extra courteous until this is over or we will not be alloude to go out at night anymore.
Paper says that a damaged 40 footer was pulled out at the Moscow ramp a white purple yellow boat named snap decision anybody know him?

Nope, I don't. This guy needs to be put away. You don't jsut leave the scene of an accident when you run someone over...I don't care if it was your fault or not. YOu make sure you do what you can to save lives.

The news is just ripping the "cigarette" type boats to shreds. Kentz is correct....they filmed 3 high perf boats on the river yesterday and put them on the news and the 50 year old woman basically pointed the finger directly at you and I and crapped out every boat over 60 mph then some joker being interviewed saying "all these boats do is fly up and donw the river at 70-80 mph...". NO MENTION OF THE DOZENS OF BOAT ACCIDENTS EACH YEAR ON THE RIVER BY 20' open bows. When was the last time a high perf boat around here was in a wreck?? Hell, it's been 6 or 7 years, atleast. Hell....just a few weeks ago some moron pinned his 20' open bow under the Hooters Resturant barge and almost killed all 5 people on board, including two 5 year olds....did you see THAT in the paper or on the news.....let alone THE LEAD STORY!!!

I have no patience for this stuff and I hope this runaway gets jail time. Period. This gives us all a bad name, mostly due to the media crap. Perhaps it was not his fault, then fine, but you don't leave. That's Flat Wrong.

Be safe, have fun

Allan

I agree 100% nothing at all in the news when we seen that accident a couple weeks ago. Now all of this all the guy had to do was stop knowing it was an accident and let the apples fall for all we know the 20 footer did not have lights or something but because he ran now we are all the bad guys.

Yes a most unfortunate situation for those folks. I have heard all kinds of stories regarding the type of boat and details around the accident itself. There appears to be a lot of confusion and contradicting information.

Regardless a 40-50 ft boat (I find that hard to believe) w/twins in that color combination will be hard to hide. I'd say there are a few on here that know most of those boats and the owners.

Might as well get prepared for the local media to do there typical over-sensationalizing, hackle raising and overt character assassination of the go fast boat types. Probably even a nice expose' by Howie about the "dangerousness" of them Cigar boats and how the Navy needs to "step in"... I can see it now.

Hopefully the investigation will be done in a professional manner and the facts will be presented in a fair and unbaised manner. Regardless, the dude should be flogged in a most righteous fashion for leaving the scene.

I was out both Sat and Sun no problem with being pulled over.


Hopefully this person is found quickly and the matter resolved.

PS: Birdog I still have that hub bud!
PSS: Kentz saw ya' out there looking good!

My guess is the driver of the boat had been drinking and when they find him later they can't prove that so he is guilty of leaving the scene of an accident, a lessor offense,time for some changes in the system.

HOwie and his expose'......Hahahahaha......I hear ya.

Man, I was bummed I could not go out at all this weekend. I went and played some golf tonight and I could hear "cigar";) boats on the river.......uuuggghhhh

Any of you out around 8-8:30 tonight down river from the Cabana Bar? Something big with twins was out, I could hear him from Nuemann Golf Course......

Yup...I am surprised that this guy has not been roped in yet. They will get him, I bet in the next few days. Too many people know these boats. Glad you all had a good day on the water....I'll be out Wed night.......still have the race decals on the boat...look for P5-48

Later....Allan:)

Allan that was probably Wendel just seen him on the news as the type of boat they are looking for. Say they know who it is and will close in tommorow.

"Arrest to come in the next few hours"
 

They need to hang this piece of ****. No matter what the situation, these people were left for dead and this A%@HOLE should judged accordingly! Just my .02:mad: :mad: :mad:

Snap Decision was the name on the boat, removed from the river at the Moscow boat ramp. Anyone know the boat? I would hope that everyone here would have the decency to stop, drunk or not....

Haven't heard any news yet. - Did they get the guy today?

HUGE article in the POST tonight. Basically, this guy is an irresponsible jerk, if what they are saying is correct. Man....us high perf boats are getting hammered in the paper. Just lovely. Aside from teh family and authorities, no one in the city is more angry about this than us high perf guys.

I think I know this boat. I do not know his name or anything, but I remember thinking in the past this guy is a serious problem. He used to buzz us at about 90 when we would be going thru the slow speed zones down town. 99% sure it is the same tool. He was usually by himself. Described in the paper as 55-60 years old, grayish-blonde hair, 5'8" and 200 lbs. Sounds like the same guy.

Apparently, he hit the boat, then went over to Schmidt ramp to survey the damage, then went to a boat ramp in Moscow OH (up river ) to pull out, where his truck/trailer and some woman in a Caddy met him. He cussed out about 3-4 people who asked him about the damage and offered help.....one in a gas station, one of the side of the road (they both called the cops on him becasue he was such a jerk) and the MAYOR of Moscow at the boat ramp....Mayor did not know about the wreck at the time. It is a triple Fountain and appararently one of the outdrives was hanging off the boat as he pulled it from the water.

Later the loser, less than human, useless thug criminal was thrown out of a bar for being "rowdy" the Post reported. THIS GUY DESERVES JAIL TIME FOR BEING A TOTAL JERKOFF......ASIDE FROM THE WRECK!!!! Police beleive he is now on the run. It is a Triple Fountain called "Snap Decision". Anyone with info should call Dayton KY police. Let's get this sac of lice off the water for good, It could have been you, me or our families out there that were left for dead. Looks like all they have to do is find him now.....HE'S TOAST!! I hope he rots in jail.

Special thanks to the following:

Micheal Jordan, Fountain dealer in Cincy. Yes, while the rest of us are trying to quite the storm and ease the focus off our fast boats so we are not pulled over everytime we fire an engine....Mr Jordan seeks use of his highest level of intelligence and significantly helps our cause at a time of need with such absurd, self centered and imbicility laced comments in the paper such as the boats are "toys for rich folks", "I've been up to 140 mph, they are really stable, run like they are on rails" , "they are the high end of the food chain boats", "Most owners are pretty sophisticated and highly educated...you don't spend half a million dollars on a toy if you are a moron" and "at 100 miles per hour you can take your hands off the wheel".

NICE QUOTES!!! Instead of diverting the attention from all of us, he throws a 55 gallon drum of fuel on the fire. Good idea......give the people out there one more freakin' reason not to like high perf boaters. BTW....what he hell is he talking about.....I can think of 1 or 2 outta 20 high perf boat owners in the area that even come close to fitting this description. He tried to promote himself and his business, but instead red flags everyone of us as thugs who have more money than brains and have no regard for the safety of anyone else. You are just instigating them so they will crack down on us....effectively hurting YOUR bottom line!!! Smooth move......:mad: :mad: :mad:

Also special thanks to the owner of Queen City River Boats who made such comments as "They are going to have to put some sort of control on this". Also stating that he has seen "quite a few of these cigarette type boats" racing up and down the river. Well, I ask him....when was the last time a "cigarette boat" caused or was involved with an accident on the river?? When?? Just ridiculous. This guy was reported to be going 45 miles an hour at impact. This is obviously a stupidity/sobriety issue, not a high perf issue.

I hope this driver goes to jail for a long time. He has 7 felony accounts against him. I hope and pray the victims are okay. I feel terrible for them, and hope they recover quickly and fully.

Be careful out there everyone, always some fool disregarding everyone and everything that can ruin your life.

Allan:( :)

Allan, I think you need to write a letter to your local newspapers talking about what you have said here. Be sure to mention the hooters crash with the run about a week ago and others like that recently, and compare to the 1 in the last 7 years. No one on this site needs any convincing of this, but the rest of your town does.

Tommy

Tommy, I was thinking about that anyway, perhaps now I will do so. Good idea.

Wild.....I may have gotten a little heated on the last post and Mr Jordan has never done anything to directly hurt me, or benefit me for that matter....I just can't beleive that a guy who has been around that long would actually make such counter productive comments that may, in retrospect, directly negatively effect his sales, hobby and livelyhood. If the law around here starts hammering down on us, he is gonna be on of the ones who's pocket book is hurt. I just don't understand why anyone would want to draw anymore attention to this matter right now from a high perf boating standpoint unless you were trying to ban them.

Okay...I've said toomuch as it is...I'll shut up now:D :D ;) ;)

why don't you guys up there invite the news on for a ride. Show them that, typically, cigarette type boaters operate very cautiously.

Don't they know that the last thing we want to do is mess up our boat?

Call the paper and give them the link to this thread. Let them see how high performance boaters feel about this kind of behaviour.