Need 130+ for my 36' Spectre
 

I have a 36' Spectre with 675 Keith Eickerts. I am running 1:26 XRs with a shorty Sportmaster. I found my best prop to date is a Mercury Racing 36" 4-blade Lab Reference prop. At 5,600 rpms I am seeing 124 on the GPS at 800 ft. elevation, 75% humidity and on fresh water. Based on that I am getting 18% slip. This sounds like a lot of slip, but that's what the computer says! Just can't argue with these computers.

This weekend, I just got my butt kicked by a DCB F-34 with 800 Teagues running 1:35 gears on #6 drives. My friend is running 16 X 33 4-blades at 6200 rpms. He was showing 130+ on the GPS when he blew by me!

My question is: even if I go to 750 or 825 hp, what kind of props and gears could I run without blowing the drives to never never land?

Does anybody with a 36' spectre run over 130 on the GPS now?

Has any Spectre ever came across a DCB F-34?

I believe Spectre is building a 36 with Arneson's, that may get you to the promised land.

Sell it and go buy a cat with number 6's.

check with byron on the board , i believe he was going to accomplish that task at one point!!!!

sorry
 

forgot byron was putting arneson drives on

Tunnelvision has a 36 spectre with B-max drives and he runs close to 140mph.Ive seen him run away from the F-34 that you described.

Wow! How do I contact Tunnelvision?

Spectre man-tim can be reached at 775-560-4989.Tell him Gary Smith gave you the number.

Gary,

Where does Tim live. I don't want to call him too late in the evening.

Kilocat Skater's (165+) use merc 6's.

That Sorcerer 40 Skater uses a Arneson and is slower.

I'm not saying the merc 6 is better, but......

vtec

Hmmmm from what I hear that boat will go way over 165

I have a friend with a 36 Spectre. Twin 850's 145-150mph. Brand new.

Yeah. I've seen both and Sorcerer is going for the 200 mark. He has tons more hp.

Cigracer,

What kind of drives, props and rpms is he running?

I'm calling him now

I've heard Sorcerer has an automotive clutch.

What kind of transmission?

vtec

I'm not sure on the transmissions it is running. It is extremely fast. The last time I talked with him he was pushing 2000 a side. It's the meanest sounding boat I've EVER heard. That includes drag, hydro's, and offshores.

Spectre Man: I left a message. He will call back soon.

Spectre Man - Have you considered Arneson's Bravo conversion drive? They look like a relatively inexpensive and very reliable solution. You can see a pair in the current (August) issue of Powerboat Magazine.

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Here is all you want to know about the 40 Skater named "Sorcerer" and Arneson.

http://www.arneson-industries.com/sorcerer.htm

Whats up Kilo! :)

He's runnin 34 labbed props. XR's with 126 gears, 850hp a side, 6500rpm's. 145-150 depending on conditions.

Great! - How about yourself? Been out in that 46 lately?

The 46 has not been out since LOTO. It was supposed to be on Grand Lake for the 4th but they couldn't get the wide load permits the day before a holiday. :( Jim's having a lift built for it right now so maybe it will arrive this weekend. He's starting to get anxious. :D

How's the Bacardi boat runnin? I know it's lookin good!

We are currently in the process of having a new 36 built and it looks like we are going with the IMCO 4x4 set up. We've had some extensive conversations with both Spectre and IMCO and we think this may be a pretty good set up to handle horsepower and live. This particular boat is going to have 575's but IMCO feels pretty comfortable of reliabilty of 800 HP.

We thought about going to #6's but the boat was already in the mold and it was to late for #6's. After talking to Jay and Ted at Spectre I got the feeling they like the way the boat performs with a Bravo type application versus the #6 set up.

You may want to consider this set up and if your interested give me a call. (916) 686-8646 or PM me.

How does he keep it together with 6,500 rpms? He must have solid lifters, etc.? I have Keith Eickert engines. What kind does he have and how many cubic inches?

Keith says, "5,600 is where you should running." I am wondering how easily I can change the brain and go up to about 6,200 for a short period of time. That would get me to about 138mph. Holy cowabunga Batman! My 36' Spectre seems to be efficient at 120mph and should keep the same slip ratio all the way up.

The only problem is; will the engine or drives self-destruct?

Keith says, "You can easily bring the hp to 750, but he is reluctant on the rpms. Any suggestions?

Maybe the answer is to re-rig with Arnesons. No way is my friend going to beat me with the DCB!!

Tried to call you, but you were closed. You may be absolutely correct with the new 4X4. Imco told me that their current model (Extemes) will not really hold 800 hp because it is only 10% stronger than my XRs.

After listening to the guys on this thread, it seems that the name of the game is RPMs, not Horsepower. I think this is because an efficient tunnels like the Spectre 36' packs a lot of air at that speed and really doesn't need horsepower to keep it up in the air.

For years, I have been a Skater Man (a 28' and a 32'). But now, I love my Spectre. It is the Cat's Meow when it comes to stability and predictability! And... with your help, it will be fast as well.

Thanks a bunch.

Yeah it's a tough call. If you go with Arneson's you can run whatever hp you want, forever.

It WILL self destruct eventually with your current setup by increasing the rpm's too much. You want long range capability not quick sprints. Whoever can stay in it the longest without coming apart has a pretty good chance of winning. :D

Spectre Man - you don't have to rerig with the new Arneson/Bravo conversion kit. It comes complete with everything you need and the motor and original gimballs stay where they are. You'll also benefit by getting more hp to the prop simply due to less drag than your current unit. I looked into it for a friend and was told dealer cost for the two drive kit is $30k but keep in mind you can then sell your Bravos. You would have to buy Speedmaster props however.

Spectre Man,

Call me on my cell. (916) 417-7756

SPECTREMAN ,,, rpm+H.P. ,,, winston cup small blocks 9500rpm's 850 plus h.p. no blowers or injection ,how do they do that ?? RPM!!!
You need solid rollers and good springs in your motors and alittle more boost remap the box and hang on the motor will do it
and the drives should go 6500 with a cat if your easy of the line ,no problem
I've had a cat for 10 nyears with a warmed up bravo not even and XR and I turn it 7200 alot with good oil to help stop oil cavation in the drive (redline oil)

I think I will talk to Jay and see how the newly rigged Arneson works out. I heard that the Arneson's manners around the dock were not good because the turning radius is very wide. This may not be apllicable in this case.

If I have to go to speadmaster props, I am assuming I can go to a 16 1/2 X 34 or something like that?

Does anybody know how to change the brain chip in a Keith Eickert engine to get me from 5,600rpms to 6,000 rpms?

I would suggest 1:36 gears with that hp w/36's should be close try 5 blade 16 x 36 large dia to carry the boat

Bobby,

This sounds like a major maintenance nightmare to me. If you lived next door to keep it running there would be no problem. I am trying the less expensive route and up my KEPP engines a little bit.

BTW - I am running Mobile-One 15W40 oil in the engine and Mercury Racing oil in the gearcases. I used to use Alisyn 80wt. Oil in the gearcases on my outboards, but I haven't tried it yet for my Bravos. Any suggestions?

You've got to be kidding me. Your talking about stepping up to a surface drive or similar and your concern is handling around the docks?? :rolleyes: If that is what your worried about maybe you should stick with what you have.

Brain Chip: I know who can tell you how to change the chip. The one who put it there, Keith Eickert.

I'm building my 36' Spectre with the Arneson asd-6, the drives will be installed in two weeks. I had a 30' Spectre running close to 130mph on new XR's but I new is was going to be short lived. All it takes to out run the next guy is $$$$.

Don't get me wrong here.. I boat on a confined lake and docking can be a real issue sometimes. My friend had a big Warlock cat with Arnesons and he said it was horrible in close quarters. I am just asking questions to get enough knowledge to make a good decision.

As far as the brain goes, I asked Keith and he said, "I've heard of people getting 825 out of a 675 by making some mods including the ECU modes." Of course, he won't tell me what ECU mods. I guess, you are right... if I want to change the brain I have pay the money and get Keith to do it.

DID YOU KNOW! I've heard the XR drive takes 43 hp to turn. The asd-6 takes 28 hp and includes the tranny. All the other modified drives take even more than the XR. I truly believe the # 6 is the most efficient drive on the market. This in itself equals more speed.
Good Luck

I assume when you say, "#6 drive" you are referring to Arneson and not the Mercury?

Yes Arneson Asd #6 not merc #6 (I'm not sure on the hp loss on the Merc 6)

And thanks